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[Jock]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

[rosered]

I went to Unity Church in Indy on Sunday. It's universalist and seeks Christian unity

I didn't plan on saying anything else, no point in fruitless struggling.  However, it's been brought back up, so gently but honestly, I see it also encourages open rebellious sin, and even welcomes it into the pulpit teaching others.

For any guests passing through the Tentmaker discussion forum, I visited the Unity "church" site, and I believe it's filled with much unscriptural deceit.  They may mean well, but I personally would discourage being drawn into their (what I believe is) apostacy.

  Amen to that  ,   the warnings are there   ,   the consequence   and the  blessing for overcoming

those traps of false apostles teaching men so ,    Jab   Just agreeing with the WORD OF GOD as well !

Rev 2:1 "Write this letter to the angel  of the church in Ephesus. This is the message from the one who holds the seven stars in his right hand, the one who walks among the seven gold lampstands: 


Rev 2:2 "I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don't tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars. 


Rev 2:3 You have patiently suffered for me without quitting. 


Rev 2:4 "But I have this complaint against you. You don't love me or each other as you did at first!

Rev 2:5 Look how far you have fallen! Turn back to me and do the works you did at first. If you don't repent, I will come and remove your lampstand from its place among the churches. 


Rev 2:6 But this is in your favor: You hate the evil deeds of the Nicolaitans, just as I do. 


Rev 2:7 "Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. To everyone who is victorious I will give fruit from the tree of life in the paradise of God. 


Rev 2:8 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Smyrna. This is the message from the one who is the First and the Last, who was dead but is now alive: 


Rev 2:9 "I know about your suffering and your poverty—but you are rich! I know the blasphemy of those opposing you. They say they are Jews, but they are not, because their synagogue belongs to Satan. 


Rev 2:10 Don't be afraid of what you are about to suffer. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for ten days. But if you remain faithful even when facing death, I will give you the crown of life. 


Rev 2:11 "Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death. 


Rev 2:12 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Pergamum. This is the message from the one with the sharp two-edged sword: 


Rev 2:13 "I know that you live in the city where Satan has his throne, yet you have remained loyal to me. You refused to deny me even when Antipas, my faithful witness, was martyred among you there in Satan's city. 


Rev 2:14 "But I have a few complaints against you. You tolerate some among you whose teaching is like that of Balaam, who showed Balak how to trip up the people of Israel. He taught them to sin by eating food offered to idols and by committing sexual sin. 


Rev 2:15 In a similar way, you have some Nicolaitans among you who follow the same teaching. 


Rev 2:16 Repent of your sin, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 


Rev 2:17 "Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. To everyone who is victorious I will give some of the manna that has been hidden away in heaven. And I will give to each one a white stone, and on the stone will be engraved a new name that no one understands except the one who receives it. 


Rev 2:18 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Thyatira. This is the message from the Son of God, whose eyes are like flames of fire, whose feet are like polished bronze: 


Rev 2:19 "I know all the things you do. I have seen your love, your faith, your service, and your patient endurance. And I can see your constant improvement in all these things. 


Rev 2:20 "But I have this complaint against you. You are permitting that woman—that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet—to lead my servants astray. She teaches them to commit sexual sin and to eat food offered to idols. 


Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she does not want to turn away from her immorality. 


Rev 2:22 "Therefore, I will throw her on a bed of suffering, [fn] and those who commit adultery with her will suffer greatly unless they repent and turn away from her evil deeds. 


Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches out the thoughts and intentions of every person. And I will give to each of you whatever you deserve. 


Rev 2:24 "But I also have a message for the rest of you in Thyatira who have not followed this false teaching ('deeper truths,' as they call them—depths of Satan, actually). I will ask nothing more of you 


Rev 2:25 except that you hold tightly to what you have until I come. 


Rev 2:26 To all who are victorious, who obey me to the very end, To them I will give authority over all the nations. 


Rev 2:27 They will rule the nations with an iron rod and smash them like clay pots. [fn] 


Rev 2:28 They will have the same authority I received from my Father, and I will also give them the morning star! 


Rev 2:29 "Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. 

[rosered]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

:iagree:

  I know that Love is not some sticky   gooey  sweet layer of   talking  that anything goes .

the real Truth in Love is  actually a somber   reality , God is the judge of all
 
we are to judge what is right  though  and stay faithful to His Word

  For me its always been a matter of perspective   and How we see Jesus Christ the Son of God   , by His Word and though His Spirit  , thats the only way to know God   here and now as its written

heard and  mostly  LIVED !

[JulieTang84]

I went to Unity Church in Indy on Sunday. It's universalist and seeks Christian unity

I didn't plan on saying anything else, no point in fruitless struggling.  However, it's been brought back up, so gently but honestly, I see it also encourages open rebellious sin, and even welcomes it into the pulpit teaching others.

For any guests passing through the Tentmaker discussion forum, I visited the Unity "church" site, and I believe it's filled with much unscriptural deceit.  They may mean well, but I personally would discourage being drawn into their (what I believe is) apostacy.

This post might see me band from Tent Maker if, so then please accept my sincere appreciation for all that I have learned in my short time here. I hope that I have been able to share a little light on the Love that Father has for all. You see, the struggles we have is not with the world, but our very own ego.


It's the ego that is not loved and thanked each time that it seeks to protect, that has consequence of the words quoted in this post. It would appear that Jabcat can decide that the amazing Loving and Fruitful church I attend "encourages open rebellious sin." Unforuantly, Jabcat would rather voice his distain for something he has read than being open an honest enough to admit he has NEVER ATTENDED a single service at an Unity Church.


While he readily admits that he "believes" Unity teaches apostacy, he has no honest idea, because he cannot read the hearts of those that attend. He also has no concept of the fruits produced or the total lack of anomosity to all.


Jabcat, I bid you nothing but Love, for it is LOVE that I have for all. You may discredit Unity Church, but atleast do a little more than read something from a website before condemning them as being of Satan. You really have no idea, because you are more interested in Words that can be heard over those that cannot. Jesus said the time for Worshiping in Spirit is NOW. Worshiping in Spirit of Love and Truth.


So if this post see's my account closed, then so be it.


Father has blessed me with such peace and such love that I will be fine.


My Love to you all, always.


Julie  :HeartThrob:

[JulieTang84]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

Jock, unfortunately, they know not what they do. Just as Jesus said on the cross. He forgave them and asked Father to as well.  :HeartThrob:



The Scriptures give us reason to know why....Father has hardened their hearts. They are as little children, not even knowing what they are doing is wrong.


Yet we are told to Love them. I think this is a wiser instruction. We can't hope to given them what Father has forbade, yet we can treat them with respect just as the good Samaritan did to the guy beaten and left for dead on the ground. Spiritually speaking, are these not the same.


And one final question: What god are they worshipping that is not sanctioned by Father?


Love Julie  :HeartThrob: [size=78%] [/size]

[JulieTang84]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

:iagree:

  I know that Love is not some sticky   gooey  sweet layer of   talking  that anything goes .

the real Truth in Love is  actually a somber   reality , God is the judge of all
 
we are to judge what is right  though  and stay faithful to His Word

  For me its always been a matter of perspective   and How we see Jesus Christ the Son of God   , by His Word and though His Spirit  , thats the only way to know God   here and now as its written

heard and  mostly  LIVED !

Dear Rosered :HeartThrob:


Is this the kind of Love that you think I speak of? I hope you do not lose sight of the fact that Jesus Christ is Spirit and He is the Word. He teaches in Spirit to those that have ears to hear.


Father grants this hearing, no one else. If we can "hear" why should we ever look down on those that cannot.


We should always live as if we have been given the greatest gift on Earth, because WE HAVE.  :HeartThrob:


Is it not our job to love these little lost children who know not Fathers unconditional Love so that through the Spirit of truth we have been given, we can teach spirit to spirit. The fruits of which will speak for themselves.


Love Julie  :HeartThrob: [size=78%] [/size]

[Jock]

Julie

You are right that we can sometimes speak the truth, but with the wrong pneuma (spirit/wind/breath. I have been guilty of that more than a few times. Yes, we must show respect to those who worship differently to us. We must love them, not in human terms or because it's in the Bible but more as a natural outflow of the Spirit of Christ within us.

We have to be careful too, that we don't share common ground with those outside the faith. To do that would be to hate them because the Lord will not sit with sin. The other thing I need to mention is that we should not go out "evangelizing". If the Lord wants to draw someone to us, HE will.

Blessings

Jock.  :Peace2:

[JulieTang84]

We have to be careful too, that we don't share common ground with those outside the faith. To do that would be to hate them because the Lord will not sit with sin. The other thing I need to mention is that we should not go out "evangelizing". If the Lord wants to draw someone to us, HE will.

Blessings

Jock.  :Peace2:

I agree 100% with you Jock. To try to do something to undo the work of Father is to say: "Father, you messed up!"


I believe those whom Father has left in the dark, are for our benefit or dare I mention destruction. Jesus made it very clear that to those that little has been given, little shall be expected. He then said, that to those that much has been given (read UR) much, much more is expected.


We must see these people as lost children wandering around in the dark. We can show them the way home by the light of truth that we present (not say.) If we present the fruits of the Spirit 24/7 and sow spiritual seeds wherever we go and to whomever we meet, who knows whom Father might cause to grow.


Thanks Jock  :HeartThrob:


Love Julie

[Jock]

Yeah, when I kill a bird or animal on the road, I am devastated but in my younger days, I would kill an animal without twitching. The animals were here first and they have no road sense.

HE really does take away the hard heart and gives us a heart of flesh. Obviously that applies to those who are in darkness.

Jock.

[Tom]

There was a time when I lived in a cabin on a mountain with no indoor plumbing or electricity, and I read my King James Bible by the light of an oil lamp. I had to walk two miles through the snow to get down to a road where I'd walk and hitchhike another 7 miles into town to go to a church with some very loving folks. I don't live on that mountain anymore. I quit going to church, and I quit reading the King James Version.

These days I'm content just to be a member of the body of Christ and a student of the word of God more accurately translated. I visit the Tentmaker forum for my fellowship even though I don't agree with everything I read here. I realize folks have different perspectives with different interpretations of scripture. 

I believe scripture is the inspired written word of God, but scripture can be misused. Satan even quoted scripture when he confronted Christ in the wilderness. Scripture has been distorted to propagate church doctrine.

I believe scripture is the word of truth, and I think folks should refuse to believe teachings that contradict scripture. That's why I quit the church, and that's why I quit reading the King James Version. I think, even if a teaching contains some truth, but contradicts scripture, it should not be believed.

Despite the fact that there may be some loving folks in church, church doctrine contradicts the word of God.

I personally don't subscribe to any philosophy, creed, or doctrine that does not conform to the word of God. That's why I don't belong to a church.

"8 Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ,
9 for in Him the entire complement of the Deity is dwelling bodily." (Colossians 2:8,9)

"3 For the era will be when they will not tolerate sound teaching, but, their hearing being tickled, they will heap up for themselves teachers in accord with their own desires,
4 and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths." (2 Timothy 4:3)

"13 For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
15 It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness -- whose consummation shall be according to their acts." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

"13 Satan changes his tactics to conform to God's administrations. At times he deceives, and again he destroys. Peter speaks of him as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour (1 Pet.5:8). Such will be his course in the judgment era following the present administration of grace, when the epistles of Peter will have their application. Now Satan is transfigured into an angel of light. He is not hideous, but beautiful. His servants stand for righteousness and pose as apostles of Christ. His world is not found in the sinks of iniquity, but in the efforts to educate and reform mankind apart from the blood of Christ. He deceives by assuming the very role which he is popularly supposed to oppose." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 275)

[dajomaco]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

Jock, unfortunately, they know not what they do. Just as Jesus said on the cross. He forgave them and asked Father to as well.  :HeartThrob:



The Scriptures give us reason to know why....Father has hardened their hearts. They are as little children, not even knowing what they are doing is wrong.


Yet we are told to Love them. I think this is a wiser instruction. We can't hope to given them what Father has forbade, yet we can treat them with respect just as the good Samaritan did to the guy beaten and left for dead on the ground. Spiritually speaking, are these not the same.


And one final question: What god are they worshipping that is not sanctioned by Father?


Love Julie  :HeartThrob: [size=78%] [/size]

I am two beings .
I am only one being at a time.
God has given me the free gift of deciding moment by moment which being I am.

God created two vessels one for destruction and one for Honor.

Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.


And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small."


I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

We worship in spirit!
How would anyone know if they were worshipping God.
There is a church in Texas that says God is punishing   Gays with aids.
But once they die God is going to delight in torturing them forever.

When they worship this God is it the same God I worship.
They say they are Christians.
The flesh can call it's self what ever it wants.
The Spirit is NOT FLESH.

Julie you definitely are NOT  a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Something I suspected all along .

[jabcat]

I went to Unity Church in Indy on Sunday. It's universalist and seeks Christian unity

I didn't plan on saying anything else, no point in fruitless struggling.  However, it's been brought back up, so gently but honestly, I see it also encourages open rebellious sin, and even welcomes it into the pulpit teaching others.

For any guests passing through the Tentmaker discussion forum, I visited the Unity "church" site, and I believe it's filled with much unscriptural deceit.  They may mean well, but I personally would discourage being drawn into their (what I believe is) apostacy.

This post might see me band from Tent Maker if, so then please accept my sincere appreciation for all that I have learned in my short time here. I hope that I have been able to share a little light on the Love that Father has for all. You see, the struggles we have is not with the world, but our very own ego.


It's the ego that is not loved and thanked each time that it seeks to protect, that has consequence of the words quoted in this post. It would appear that Jabcat can decide that the amazing Loving and Fruitful church I attend "encourages open rebellious sin." Unforuantly, Jabcat would rather voice his distain for something he has read than being open an honest enough to admit he has NEVER ATTENDED a single service at an Unity Church.


While he readily admits that he "believes" Unity teaches apostacy, he has no honest idea, because he cannot read the hearts of those that attend. He also has no concept of the fruits produced or the total lack of anomosity to all.


Jabcat, I bid you nothing but Love, for it is LOVE that I have for all. You may discredit Unity Church, but atleast do a little more than read something from a website before condemning them as being of Satan. You really have no idea, because you are more interested in Words that can be heard over those that cannot. Jesus said the time for Worshiping in Spirit is NOW. Worshiping in Spirit of Love and Truth.


So if this post see's my account closed, then so be it.


Father has blessed me with such peace and such love that I will be fine.


My Love to you all, always.


Julie  :HeartThrob:

Julie, I don't need to go to a service to recognize apostacy when it's blatantly advertised and promoted, just as I don't need to wallow around in a pigpen to know that it stinks and gets one muddy.

Their site has a section for practicing homosexuals, and it says they ordain/approve of actively homosexual ministers/pastors.  I'm not going to argue with you any further about details of what they believe - they state pretty clearly what they believe and teach, and I can read it for myself.  But I will say there are other things there that reek of new age/far eastern mysticism IMO.  If you choose to go there and openly promote it, don't expect me to swallow it or not raise a red flag to others - of which I will do when I see blatant error, i.e., things are clearly against the scripture and serve as a danger to the flock.  Also, I'd suggest let's not make this a public personal issue.

[jabcat]

Yes, we must show respect to those who worship differently to us. We must love them..

Amen.  And despite what some may accuse or assume, nothing different from this has been said.  I just personally don't believe "loving" them means promoting and encouraging anyone's open willful sin.

We have to be careful too, that we don't share common ground with those outside the faith. To do that would be to hate them because the Lord will not sit with sin.

Amen again.  On target, IMO.   

[jabcat]

  I know that Love is not some sticky   gooey  sweet layer of   talking  that anything goes .

the real Truth in Love is  actually a somber   reality , God is the judge of all
 
we are to judge what is right  though  and stay faithful to His Word

Amen rosie.   Blessings.

[JulieTang84]

.

Julie you definitely are NOT  a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Something I suspected all along .[/color]

Please explain  :sigh:

[rosered]

I don't know about Universalist/Unity churches, so I can't comment. But there is grave danger in Inter-Faith churches! That is, sitting with Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist and the like. I don't for a minute buy into the lie of "We are all worshipping the same God".

Just a word to the wise.

Jock. :Peace2:

:iagree:

  I know that Love is not some sticky   gooey  sweet layer of   talking  that anything goes .

the real Truth in Love is  actually a somber   reality , God is the judge of all
 
we are to judge what is right  though  and stay faithful to His Word

  For me its always been a matter of perspective   and How we see Jesus Christ the Son of God   , by His Word and though His Spirit  , thats the only way to know God   here and now as its written

heard and  mostly  LIVED !

Dear Rosered :HeartThrob:


Is this the kind of Love that you think I speak of? I hope you do not lose sight of the fact that Jesus Christ is Spirit and He is the Word. He teaches in Spirit to those that have ears to hear.


Father grants this hearing, no one else. If we can "hear" why should we ever look down on those that cannot.


We should always live as if we have been given the greatest gift on Earth, because WE HAVE.  :HeartThrob:


Is it not our job to love these little lost children who know not Fathers unconditional Love so that through the Spirit of truth we have been given, we can teach spirit to spirit. The fruits of which will speak for themselves.


Love Julie  :HeartThrob: [size=78%] [/size]

Thank you for answering Julie
  Much appreciated  ,  I judge no one .
I just know that  the warning is to preach this gospel to the ends of the world for a witness !
this gospel of Jesus Christ and the cross  , is the good news we are to preach or speak of


   For  me its so simple a child can understand it 

  and   if its some other gospel we should   take heed  that its NOT the same gospel   
    that  all those  apostles   wrote for our benefit

Do you see what I am trying to say here ?

  Its  going to be a witness  for us or against us  any of us  though the ages   to  tell / teach men so

To  me this is the failure of all   those whom   religion   has been  in vain

  there is a pattern   we are to follow 
   2Cr 11:1 I hope you will put up with a little more of my foolishness. Please bear with me. 


2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous for you with the jealousy of God himself. I promised you as a pure bride [fn] to one husband—Christ. 


2Cr 11:3 But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent. 


2Cr 11:4 You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. 


2Cr 11:5 But I don't consider myself inferior in any way to these "super apostles" who teach such things. 


2Cr 11:6 I may be unskilled as a speaker, but I'm not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way. 


2Cr 11:7 Was I wrong when I humbled myself and honored you by preaching God's Good News to you without expecting anything in return? 


2Cr 11:8 I "robbed" other churches by accepting their contributions so I could serve you at no cost. 


2Cr 11:9 And when I was with you and didn't have enough to live on, I did not become a financial burden to anyone. For the brothers who came from Macedonia brought me all that I needed. I have never been a burden to you, and I never will be. 


2Cr 11:10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, no one in all of Greece [fn] will ever stop me from boasting about this. 


2Cr 11:11 Why? Because I don't love you? God knows that I do. 


2Cr 11:12 But I will continue doing what I have always done. This will undercut those who are looking for an opportunity to boast that their work is just like ours. 


2Cr 11:13 These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. 


2Cr 11:14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 


2Cr 11:15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve.  


2Cr 11:16 Again I say, don't think that I am a fool to talk like this. But even if you do, listen to me, as you would to a foolish person, while I also boast a little. 


2Cr 11:17 Such boasting is not from the Lord, but I am acting like a fool. 


2Cr 11:18 And since others boast about their human achievements, I will, too. 


2Cr 11:19 After all, you think you are so wise, but you enjoy putting up with fools! 


2Cr 11:20 You put up with it when someone enslaves you, takes everything you have, takes advantage of you, takes control of everything, and slaps you in the face. 


    I look at the Spirit of Love   as being balanced    and whom God loves He corrects also 

I believe that the cross of Jesus Christ is a very critical   part that must be  our foundational truth   to build upon   thats all  :2c:

   

[Tom]

"6 I am marveling that thus, swiftly, you are transferred from that which calls you in the grace of Christ, to a different evangel,
7 which is not another, except it be that some who are disturbing you want also to distort the evangel of Christ.
8 But if ever we also, or a messenger out of heaven, should be bringing an evangel to you beside that which we bring to you, let him be anathema!" (Galatians 1:6-8)

[dajomaco]

.

Julie you definitely are NOT  a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Something I suspected all along .[/color]

Please explain  :sigh:

It was meant as an encouragement.


If I speak human or angelic languages
but do not have love,
I am a sounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy
and understand all mysteries
and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith
so that I can move mountains
but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 And if I donate all my goods to feed the poor,
and if I give my body in order to boast[a]
but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind.
Love does not envy,
is not boastful, is not conceited,
5 does not act improperly,
is not selfish, is not provoked,
and does not keep a record of wrongs.
6 Love finds no joy in unrighteousness
but rejoices in the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things.


The Holy Spirit Loves.


It is way easier to prove and be approved by your peers for knowledge of the Bible.
Than it is to be approved by your peers and have a reputation for Love.

Love is the proof of the Holy Spirit not biblical Doctrine.
Once I found out that Love was the power behind Christ( not the bible).
My ego and it's ability to be proven right was a secondary issue.

Everything even accurate scriptural interpretations are a secondary issue.

Love is the most important.
Some people will go to great lengths to describe a kind of love that is not love.
Then continue on to elevate something or some doctrine above Love.

Julie you already know this.

Father Loves
Jesus Loves
Holy Spirit Loves

Love is Fathers only pleasure.

[JulieTang84]

.

Julie you definitely are NOT  a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Something I suspected all along .

Please explain  :sigh:

It was meant as an encouragement.


If I speak human or angelic languages
but do not have love,
I am a sounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy
and understand all mysteries
and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith
so that I can move mountains
but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 And if I donate all my goods to feed the poor,
and if I give my body in order to boast[a]
but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind.
Love does not envy,
is not boastful, is not conceited,
5 does not act improperly,
is not selfish, is not provoked,
and does not keep a record of wrongs.
6 Love finds no joy in unrighteousness
but rejoices in the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things.


The Holy Spirit Loves.


It is way easier to prove and be approved by your peers for knowledge of the Bible.
Than it is to be approved by your peers and have a reputation for Love.

Love is the proof of the Holy Spirit not biblical Doctrine.
Once I found out that Love was the power behind Christ( not the bible).
My ego and it's ability to be proven right was a secondary issue.

Everything even accurate scriptural interpretations are a secondary issue.

Love is the most important.
Some people will go to great lengths to describe a kind of love that is not love.
Then continue on to elevate something or some doctrine above Love.

Julie you already know this.

Father Loves
Jesus Loves
Holy Spirit Loves

Love is Fathers only pleasure.

Thank you dajomaco   :HeartThrob:


Today has been a little stressful, having started at 3am. Having trouble working out which way is up.  :doh:


Everything you wrote is just music to my soul. Yes, I do know this.


Many Thanks,


Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[jabcat]

    I look at the Spirit of Love   as being balanced    and whom God loves He corrects also 

I believe that the cross of Jesus Christ is a very critical   part that must be  our foundational truth   to build upon 

Amen rose.  Here's how I personally understand it.  I don't believe "love" does away with the rest of the whole counsel of God.  I believe to love includes seeking and following the teachings of God - with His help, all of it - with the leading, empowering, and enablement of the Holy Spirit.  I also believe it will show kindness, do good to others, and turn the other cheek and forgive; but also be willing to speak the truth.  And after lovingly as led, speaking the truth, rather than encourage open rebellious sin or an uncaring attitude regarding such, will pray for someone's deliverance from their sin and support and encourage them in that process.  Jesus and the early church were about deliverance and victory, not the current form of "acceptance" and "affirming".  And that was/is loving, or the scriptures are wrong or unimportant (which they're not).

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears...

[rosered]

    I look at the Spirit of Love   as being balanced    and whom God loves He corrects also 

I believe that the cross of Jesus Christ is a very critical   part that must be  our foundational truth   to build upon 

Amen rose.  Here's how I personally understand it.  I don't believe "love" does away with the rest of the whole counsel of God.  I believe to love includes seeking and following the teachings of God - with His help, all of it - along with the leading of the Holy Spirit.  I also believe it will show kindness, do good to others, and turn the other cheek and forgive; but also be willing to speak the truth.  And after lovingly as led, speaking the truth, rather than encourage open rebellious sin or an uncaring attitude regarding such, will pray for someone's deliverance from their sin and support and encourage them in that process.  Jesus and the early church were about deliverance and victory, not the current form of "acceptance" and "affirming".  And that was/is loving, or the scriptures are wrong or unimportant (which they're not).

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears...

Amen James
all are born into the sinful nature in Adam 
Jesus states   we are to  be born again  , become new creatures in Christ glorifying His name   to the Glory of the Father

These  are sound  scriptures not all have read , but those who  have and do are  responsible   to share this truth with those whom do not know   the Truth .

Rom 1:1 This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News. 


Rom 1:2 God promised this Good News long ago through his prophets in the holy Scriptures. 


Rom 1:3 The Good News is about his Son. In his earthly life he was born into King David's family line, 


Rom 1:4 and he was shown to be the Son of God when he was raised from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit.  He is Jesus Christ our Lord. 


Rom 1:5 Through Christ, God has given us the privilege  and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name. 
Rom 1:6 And you are included among those Gentiles who have been called to belong to Jesus Christ. 
Rom 1:7 I am writing to all of you in Rome who are loved by God and are called to be his own holy people. May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. 


Rom 1:8 Let me say first that I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith in him is being talked about all over the world. 


Rom 1:9 God knows how often I pray for you. Day and night I bring you and your needs in prayer to God, whom I serve with all my heart  by spreading the Good News about his Son. 


Rom 1:10 One of the things I always pray for is the opportunity, God willing, to come at last to see you. 


Rom 1:11 For I long to visit you so I can bring you some spiritual gift that will help you grow strong in the Lord. 


Rom 1:12 When we get together, I want to encourage you in your faith, but I also want to be encouraged by yours. 


Rom 1:13 I want you to know, dear brothers and sisters, [fn] that I planned many times to visit you, but I was prevented until now. I want to work among you and see spiritual fruit, just as I have seen among other Gentiles. 


Rom 1:14 For I have a great sense of obligation to people in both the civilized world and the rest of the world,  to the educated and uneducated alike. 


Rom 1:15 So I am eager to come to you in Rome, too, to preach the Good News. 


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile.   


Rom 1:17 This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life." 

Rom 1:18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.   


Rom 1:19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 


Rom 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. 


Rom 1:21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 


Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 


Rom 1:23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. 


Rom 1:24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. 


Rom 1:25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 


Rom 1:26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 


Rom 1:27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. 


Rom 1:28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 


Rom 1:29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 


Rom 1:30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 


Rom 1:31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 


Rom 1:32 They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. 

[jabcat]

rosie, it's awesome how the Lord is using you tonight to share, through His Words to us, things that I believe He'd have us see.  Thank you for speaking the truth - in love.  I know I personally always need it.   Amen.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

[rosered]

rosie, it's awesome how the Lord is using you tonight to share, through His Words to us, things that I believe He'd have us see.  Thank you for speaking the truth - in love.  I know I personally always need it.   Amen.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

  I always need  the truth too  James,  we are to share the truth   in love with everyone willing to hear
It may not be what we want to hear    but its is certainly what we NEED to hear 
Gods Word  and Spirit   do change   those whom believe and obey HIM
  we become His possesion   and are  no longer   our own . 

We can  all  be thankful to the Father for that
  and  its   about being faithful  to His Word , that the least we can do  , in my opinion

[jabcat]

Amen.

speaking the truth - in love.  I know I personally always need it.   Amen.

  I always need  the truth too  James,  we are to share the truth   in love with everyone willing to hear
It may not be what we want to hear    but its is certainly what we NEED to hear 

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.  Who can understand it?  Jer. 17:9

For the [logos-saying-word] word of God [is]alive and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

Blessings.

[Jock]

Julie

As I was going through the thread, I noticed your question to me that I didn't answer: "And one final question: What god are they worshipping that is not sanctioned by Father?"

Without going into a long dissertation about all the different gods they worship, I can say that having fellowship with them is very grievous even though it is well intended by yourself. You have to come outside the Body of Christ to do that. If on the other hand, you are trying to reach them with the Truth who IS Christ then that may or may not be OK. Are you saying that ALLAH (for instance) is the one true God? The devil is very slick and you could end up as a vessel with a mixed cocktail.

The last thing I'd like to offer is, it is wise to heed the counsel of the brethren on such things and if the Amen is there (which I believe it is) you need to open your heart and obey.

I say these things Julie, to you, in love.


Jock   :Pray: