Loads of questions, beginning with The Word of God?

[WhiteWings]

Sorry guys

I didn't want to cause any strife or division. Not my intention, please forgive?

:sigh:

Jock

Every question potentially causes strife. Never stop searching/asking because of that fact Jock!

[Jock]

Tom, thanks for that link but I just purchased a copy quite recently.


A couple of things: Jesus said "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Jesus spoke a lot about "hearing".
What did He mean? In those days there was no Bible. He didn't say "I have to leave you but I will send the Bible to comfort you, He said, the comforter AKA Holy Spirit.

The disciples apart from maybe Mathew and Luke, even Judas were illiterate and Jesus spoke Aramaic, so the books of the Bible, Gospels etc, must have been penned by scribes. I say, that the validity or non validity of scripture is illuminated by the Holy Spirit. What we are involved in is not Bible Study but relationship, and searching the scriptures is an outflow of wanting to know our Lord and each other, better.

Bless you all, my brothers and sisters    :dsunny:

Jock.

[jbertonbounds]

Sorry guys

I didn't want to cause any strife or division. Not my intention, please forgive?

:sigh:

Jock

You have not caused any strife or division.
There is nothing to forgive.
:HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

Sorry guys

I didn't want to cause any strife or division. Not my intention, please forgive?

:sigh:

Jock

Every question potentially causes strife. Never stop searching/asking because of that fact Jock!

           :laughing7: hahah! isn't thAt the truth?!  :smile:

I had a sort of low level brainstorm this morning and was thinking it's not that we need strive to learn/decide what doctrines and ideas are true and what not true, so much as it is a dwelling and abiding in His Word.. we in it, and "His Word abides in us"...

"do this in remembrance of me" Jesus instructed, on the very eve of His crucifixion which leads me to think literal bread and wine was not his major intent! but daily bread, with the new wine of His Spirit..

If we are reading His Word as a regular and integral part of our life, then our "mind is being renewed" which is a natural process of faith, and is not one of works..
                                  :Peace2:

p.s - especially once we've learned the error translations of 'hell' (the grave, and men like seeds planted..?) and 'forever' (iaon / age /  duration of time however long it may be)

[jbertonbounds]

I had a sort of low level brainstorm this morning and was thinking it's not that we need strive to learn/decide what doctrines and ideas are true and what not true, so much as it is a dwelling and abiding in His Word.. we in it, and "His Word abides in us"...

"do this in remembrance of me" Jesus instructed, on the very eve of His crucifixion which leads me to think literal bread and wine was not his major intent! but daily bread, with the new wine of His Spirit..

If we are reading His Word as a regular and integral part of our life, then our "mind is being renewed" which is a natural process of faith, and is not one of works..
                                  :Peace2:

p.s - especially once we've learned the error translations of 'hell' (the grave, and men like seeds planted..?) and 'forever' (iaon / age /  duration of time however long it may be)

Such a good point, Marie.  We tend to focus on doctrine more than love, and on being right more than being in the Father's presence.  How can he teach us if we are not in his presence?

I often think, If I were mostly ignorant of any doctrine, scriptural teachings, or mistranslations, yet I put my faith in Jesus, loved others like I love myself, and took care of others like I take care of myself, then I am so much more in tune with god's precepts than if I had knowledge, yet did not love others. 

[dajomaco]

Say we discovered an island of people who for intents and purposes
had been completely separated from us sort of like when an early explorer
discover a new tribe of people.

As an evangelical would you rather send them one man filled with the Spirit.

Or would you send them a thousand bibles and the top ten bible scholars.

Would God send just one man filled with the Spirit.

    If I would receive just one credit before the White Throne it would be that I honestly believed Jesus did please the Father. 

[marie glen]

I often think, If I were mostly ignorant of any doctrine, scriptural teachings, or mistranslations, yet I put my faith in Jesus, loved others like I love myself, and took care of others like I take care of myself, then I am so much more in tune with god's precepts than if I had knowledge, yet did not love others.

Amen, amen!  :smile: :thumbsup:

[jbertonbounds]

Remember, you won't be judged by what you believe, but by your deeds.

Rev 20:12-13   [NIV]
¹² And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. ¹³ The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

[sheila]

 but don'tforget this! God's judgement..at this very important time........through one man/first

Adam..sin  entered all men[God wrapped allmen up indisobediance...Jesus testified the prince

ofthis world isjudged that his works are wicked...andthrough thefreegiftof righteousness..through

the righteousness of one man[last Adam] all menshall b econstituted righteous......

.....if you leavethis out of the equation..you will mistakenly thinkyou aresavedof  your own works...

and not the free gift of Grace through Christ...or your righteousness through Christ. by faith

[sheila]

...and mercy..triumphs over judgement...and the free gift is given.........

   now,just as the 12hour workers in the vineyard felt they deserved more..then the 1 hour

workers......when it come to /wages.

  there will be men that beleive those who did greater works of evil deserve more wages of death

also[the wagesofsinis death]  anything added or taken away from His perfect judgement..is of

the evil one.

   now any stripes received..are before death,as Jesus our pattern son shows..... there are certain

covenat curses. that take effect[cursed is the earth on your account 1st Adam]inregard

t othis knowledge of good/evil......those who know to do good and don't receive more stripes

   

     

[bushy]

but don'tforget this! God's judgement..at this very important time........through one man/first

Adam..sin  entered all men[God wrapped allmen up indisobediance...Jesus testified the prince

ofthis world isjudged that his works are wicked...andthrough thefreegiftof righteousness..through

the righteousness of one man[last Adam] all menshall b econstituted righteous......

.....if you leavethis out of the equation..you will mistakenly thinkyou aresavedof  your own works...

and not the free gift of Grace through Christ...or your righteousness through Christ. by faith

Ephesians 2:8-10  For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Sheila, I agree completely, but somehow we are almost afraid of doing good works, wondering about the motive and such. Here it says good works were prepared for us to walk in them. I see this like any good parent training up children to be good and do good.

[sheila]

I agree Bushy........a heartfulloflove and appreciationforwhat God andJesus has donefor us...

  should impel us t ooffer ourselves in love unto Him..and to love our fellow man as ourselves.

   any worksnotdone from this love motive...is vanity...andtheir worship is vain.

     

[jbertonbounds]

I agree Bushy........a heartfulloflove and appreciationforwhat God andJesus has donefor us...

  should impel us t ooffer ourselves in love unto Him..and to love our fellow man as ourselves.

   any worksnotdone from this love motive...is vanity...andtheir worship is vain.

   

:thumbsup:

[dajomaco]

Remember, you won't be judged by what you believe, but by your deeds.

Rev 20:12-13   [NIV]
¹² And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. ¹³ The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Remember you won't be judged by what you did.But rather you will be judged by what Christ did .

I personelly am not waiting for a book to be opened .
My book the book of life has been opened and no one or no thing can close it.

This is just an opinion it is not a 13 word doctrine developed from a verse numbered 13  in the book of revelation . 

[Jock]

We cannot work for our salvation and it is a good thing to check the heart "before the Lord" before embarking on some endeavour in His name.

But there should be works that are the natural outflow of the Spirit of God. If those are inspired by love then God will endorse it, because God IS Love!

Just my  :2c:

Jock.

PS. I have blown it many times, thankfully, God is merciful  :dsunny:

[sheila]

jb; ref to..youwon't bejudged by what you beleive.........carefulbrother..what bout the ones

whohave nolove for truth and beleive a lie...like say our ancestor Adam and Eve.......

or....'if I had notcome and spoke to you..you would havenosin...butnow your sinsremain.

   just sayin...it's real easy for allof us to mis-step before weknow it.

[Tom]

We believers who will be justified and vivified in Christ will not be judged and condemned with the dead before the great white throne a thousand years later. We will be requited in front of the dais of Christ.

"11 And I perceived a great white throne, and Him Who is sitting upon it, from Whose face earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them.
12 And I perceived the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. And scrolls were opened. And another scroll was opened which is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged by that which is written in the scrolls in accord with their acts.
13 And the sea gives up the dead in it, and death and the unseen give up the dead in them. And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts.
14 And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:11-15)

"11 The Great White Throne judgment has no place for those who are Christ's, for they have all been made alive and have been enjoying eonian life for more than a millennium.

Temple Section—Jerusalem

12 This is not a "general" judgment, though it approaches nearer to it than any other. Only the dead appear before this throne. Those who are Christ's will have been made alive at His presence more than a thousand years before (1Co.15:23). Those who are His will not die during the thousand years, nor can they be hurt by the second death. Hence only those who have not believed in Christ appear in this judgment. They will all receive their just deserts, according to their acts, during the period between their resurrection and second death. Hence they are condemned, for all fall short of God's standard. They are not vivified, or made alive, as the saints are, by a better resurrection, hence they die again.

13 Thus all evil is segregated in the lake of fire, where Satan and the wild beast and the false prophet already are (20:10). "This is the second death" defines the lake of fire. Those who have been raised from death return to the same state in the second death. The only immunity from condemnation lies in having a place in the scroll of life." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 404)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

"For all of us must be manifested in front of the dais of Christ, that each should be requited for that which he puts into practice through the body, whether good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:10)

"14 If anyone's work will be remaining which he builds on it, he will get wages.
15 If anyone's work shall be burned up, he will forfeit it, yet he shall be saved, yet thus, as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:14,15)

"14 Let all who teach take this to heart: their work will be tested to see what kind it is. It is better to have a little after the fire than much before it.

15 The question here is not salvation, but service. It is not concerned with the conduct of the believer but with the doctrine of those who teach." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 251)

[dajomaco]

We cannot work for our salvation and it is a good thing to check the heart "before the Lord" before embarking on some endeavour in His name.

But there should be works that are the natural outflow of the Spirit of God. If those are inspired by love then God will endorse it, because God IS Love!

Just my  :2c:

Jock.

PS. I have blown it many times, thankfully, God is merciful  :dsunny:

There were two  groups of people Jesus said to ;

Group 1)Depart from me you workers of inequity . (I'm not sure if this is the right word but it sounds similar.)

Group 2) Come sit and sup with me.

I like the idea of being part of Group 2)
That group is standing before Jesus and he says
Hey great to have you guys here you did so much work for me.
They have a stund look on their face.
They reply we don't remember doing any work for you

'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.


If you have extra fruit on your trees and your barns are full
and you let the hungry strangers pick and keep the fruit that was just going to rot anyway.
Your heart is delighted to see that although it wasn't a work on your part.
others are being helped by the blessings that God has given you.

I love love love this kind of work.