Does Universalism get beyond the lake of fire?

[Jock]

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I DO know that there is no eternal torment in Hell, Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna or whatever you want to call it. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether the "stay" in the lake of fire is eternal or not. The Bible says that The lake of fire is the second death, but also that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever"...

Does "forever" mean, an aion?

Jock.

[Tom]

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I DO know that there is no eternal torment in Hell, Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna or whatever you want to call it. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether the "stay" in the lake of fire is eternal or not. The Bible says that The lake of fire is the second death, but also that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever"...

Does "forever" mean, an aion?

Jock.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheLakeOfFire.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

[WhiteWings]

The Lake is just step of limited duration.
The bit about "their smoke" isn't entirely clear for me. Yeah, could mean temporary.
My yet unfinished view...
Temple sacrifices must be taken into account.
Mark 9:49 Everyone will be salted with fire. 50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt among yourselves, and be at peace with each other."

The above verses make  a connection between fire and salt.  Literal sacrifices, animals, were cleaned inside out, rubbed with salt and then burned of the Altar of burned offering.

Can't remember the verse right now  :doh: but in the OT is a verse that God gladly accepts the smell of the accending smoke. He accepted the offer. So what if the smoke you mentioned is "smoke of acceptance" ?


My full view: http://home.online.nl/spamfree/Lake/index.html

[Jock]

It's a bit confusing cuz it could almost be presented as "being extinguished", never to be seen again, but of course, Universalism would then lose credibility!

Jock

[ded2daworld]

By the "smoke ascending and pleasing the nostrils of the Lord forever" I took it to mean that God never forgets our sacrifices. He is pleased thinking of them. The memory is imbedded with the smoke and thus forever in God. :dontknow:

[sheila]

what aboutRev 20;13 andthe sea gave up those dead init? anddeath and hades gave up the dead

inthem...judgement...Then death and hades thrown into LOF..........I'mthinkingof how

Israelcrossed the Jordan..the 12 stones taken from it andt/altar there.

   andwhat about dead sea being symbolic LOF.. which Jordan eventually flows intoalong

it'scourse.

    andmiry placesgiven up forsalt[marshes]..James 3;12 Zeph 2;9 neither caan  salt spring

  produce fresh water

Ezekiel 47 whenit empties into the sea the waterthere becomes fresh..Swarmsofliving

creatures wil llive where-ever the water flows.   swamps andmarshes cannotbecome fresh

   waters oflife from templeof God[Jesus] from your belly willflow watersoflife.

       Jordan means todescend..Jesus baptisim initsymbolized death andresurrection

  12 stones takenfromit..whenIsrael crossedit..as altar on rivers edge...12 manner of fruitevery

month o ftree on both sidesofriver= another symbolic pictorial ofdeathandresurrection

andtemple/throne arrangement?


   

[Jock]

Two very cool verses that I had personally forgotten or read out of context in the past.

11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work, which he has built on, it endures, he will receive a reward.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Some interesting stuff here too:     http://www.godsplanforall.com/paganoriginofhell

:banana:

Cheers all

Jock

[rosered]

 

  Hi   Jock and all ,
  I dont say a whole lot anymore these days
  but I am so glad you  brought these up
   I have  a personal   view I just would   like to share  , that does comfort   me

  It has to do with Jesus  saying I have  a baptism to be baptized with and how STRESSED I am till it be accomplished  ,
  for me the very urgency   in Jesus words tells  me just how signifigant    this truly is   for us all

its in  LUKE 12 :49     JESUS  HIMSELF COME TO SET FIRE TO THE EARTH!

Divisions are from Jesus Christ  in His own   words says   He is taking the peace from the earth   in verse  51
 
Now take ,what I believe  Peter says,  IF the LORD  had not left us a seed ,we world be as sodom and Gomorrah
 
so in a word  , we know the world is now on fire  , literally not so much as it is  symbolically   certain 
  when Jesus  baptized   he  gave them both the Holy Spirit /Ghost and FIRE !!   Acts 2    they had the flaming tongues of fire   settle on each of them !  different languages  , yet they  understood what was being said .

and  most important for me is  " blessed is he who is in the first resurrection , [IN CHRIST ]  for the second death has no power  , this seed   found in every one born again  , is Christ and its what endures the fire , for God is a consuming fire 

its appointed unto man to die once / and than judment   , when you die  in Christ  you are than resurrected  in the corprate BODY OF CHRIST  , Hid in Him

  for me there is only ONE right now  alive to God the FATHER and its JESUS CHRIST and those found in HIM/with Him

  this is the only name under heaven by which you must be saved  and   to me its the ONLY NAME   written in the lambes book of life

  when Jesus  gave a clue   to say ,  how amazed   the disciples were when the spirits were subject to them , Jesus said be more    thankful  that your names are written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE  , but for me  the  name is JESUS CHRIST    and there is no other name   worthy of glory to the Father
  this is just my ways of thinking  and no one has to agree with me  ,  but I believe this  whole heartedly     , the lake of fire is where each of us   have endured the  submersion   of death   and come out and up alive unto God by Jesus Christ and His name is your new name  , that know one knows except him who recieve it .

  The lake of fire is very elusive   , there is no name  or place its  even mentioned except in REVELATION !    but consider the whole world is on FIRE    , now as we speak , even  when the time Jesus   hung on the cross   to now  and the place of the  skull   was   called , Golgotha or Calvery 

  but spiritually called Sodom [submersion ]and Egypt [world ]

EtymologyThe name Sodom is derived from Hebrew: סְדוֹם, Modern Sədom Tiberian Səḏôm, and Greek Σόδομα Sódoma. The name Gomorrah is derived from Hebrew: עֲמוֹרָה,

Modern ʿAmora Tiberian Ġəmôrāh/ʿĂmôrāh, and Greek Γόμοῤῥα / Gómorrha. The exact meaning of the names is uncertain.

The name Sodom could be a word from an early Semitic language ultimately related to the Arabic sadama, meaning "fasten", "fortify", "strengthen", and Gomorrah could be based on the root gh m r, which means "be deep", "copious (water)".

  just some thoughts  to please consider only  , I am still  waiting on more clarity   from the Lord's Spirit  who teaches us His Truth as He judges and sees fit to give it to whom ever   He will in His mercy and grace .

[marie glen]

.."only one name in the Book of Life"! I love that! ..and the whole world on fire.. I'm pretty sure I think I agree with that.. and I also, along with that,think of the LOF as the consummation of mankind's history, He comes with fire..yet I find myself thinking at the same time the fire He comes with is also the results..natural results and consequences of man's own doings.. and, the lake of fire, which I also think of as those split atoms of the potentially worst? Warfare man has invented.. So to me, Roseredwhat you said seems to very much fit, we are on fe, all of life is on fire (ncluding to me, the ultimate culmination of humankind's history / life as we presently know it as imperfect.. but God is Perfection (and life) I'm writing on a phone please forgive errors..

[marie glen]

PS - I have wondered if "the smoke which rises up to ever and ever" isn't a highly poetic way of the Holy Ghost saying the memory/lesson of it will rise up forever and ever" ...?

[Tom]

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I DO know that there is no eternal torment in Hell, Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna or whatever you want to call it. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether the "stay" in the lake of fire is eternal or not. The Bible says that The lake of fire is the second death, but also that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever"...

Does "forever" mean, an aion?

Jock.

Scripture does not say "for ever and ever." It is only your version of scripture that says that. An "aion," literally translated "eon," is a period of time not endless time.

"And the fumes of their torment are ascending for the eons of the eons. And they are having no rest day and night, those worshiping the wild beast and its image, and if anyone is getting the emblem of its name." (Revelation 14:11)

"11 The torment spoken of in this prophecy is of various lengths and limited to specific classes. All of mankind who have not the seal of God on their foreheads will be tormented five months by the locusts, under the fifth trumpet (9:5). Satan and the wild beast and the false prophet will be tormented (20:10). The fumes of the torment of those here spoken of last for the eons of the eons. These are the supreme sinners of mankind, hence shall be tormented until they die (16:2,8-9, 18:8), some of them by the blade (19:21)." (Concordant Commentary of the New Testament-The Unveiling Of Jesus Christ page 397)

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[Tom]

Two very cool verses that I had personally forgotten or read out of context in the past.

11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work, which he has built on, it endures, he will receive a reward.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Some interesting stuff here too:     http://www.godsplanforall.com/paganoriginofhell

:banana:

Cheers all

Jock

"According to the grace of God which is being granted to me, as a wise foreman I lay a foundation, yet another is building on it. Yet let each one beware how he is building on it. For other foundation can no one lay beside that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone is building on this foundation gold and silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, each one's work will become apparent, for the day will make it evident, for it is being revealed by fire. And the fire, it will be testing each one's work -- what kind it is. If anyone's work will be remaining which he builds on it, he will get wages. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he will forfeit it, yet he shall be saved, yet thus, as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:10-15)

"10 Paul had laid the foundation in Corinth. Apollos and others were building on it. The gold and silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, represent the character of the doctrines with which these teachers seek to edify the ecclesia. It is not a question of quantity but quality. Wood, hay and grass would easily make an imposing pile, but they will not stand the fire in the day when each one's work will be tested. They doubtless represent the human philosophies and base additions to the truth which today almost cover up the great verities of divine revelation. Gold stands for that which is divine, silver for redemption, precious stones for those gems of grace which adorn them, especially the secrets at which Paul has been hinting.

14 Let all who teach take this to heart: their work will be tested to see what kind it is. It is better to have a little after the fire than much before it.

15 The question here is not salvation, but service. It is not concerned with the conduct of the believer but with the doctrine of those who teach." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 251)

The "lake of fire" is not "hell." "Hell" will be cast into the "lake of fire."

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[rosered]

PS - I have wondered if "the smoke which rises up to ever and ever" isn't a highly poetic way of the Holy Ghost saying the memory/lesson of it will rise up forever and ever" ...?

marieglen, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this !   could very well be sis!!

ps , you writting on a phone , my kids do this all the time , so now you are just being hip with the  times girl ..lol , I am writing on a dinasour   computer that is soon to be bones  ha ha !  its on its last leg  ,  yet I still  will beat it to its dying   day  lol :bdh:

[eaglesway]

The smoke will rise up unto the age of the ages. A memorial in the spirit of the righteous judgment of God- but not forever, imo, because in this case again, forever is not an accurate translation.

[Jock]

I'm not ignoring you guys, just trying to catch up and consider

Catch you soon.

Jock

[Jock]

Torment is the word that trips me up. The greek is "basinos" which is: Testing by the touchstone: torture:
The state and condition of those being tormented: The smoke of the fire by which they are tormented. You guys all make credible points but the verse that for, gets Universalism past the Lake of Fire is this one:

1 Corinthians 3:15
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. The exact details about the LOF is hard for me to comprehend but I cast faith that God is full of mercy and loving kindness.
 
Best regards

Jock   :Peace2:

[watchman1706]

The short answer to your question is yes...It is 'aion'. Not really forever.

Love these bananas... :banana:  :banana: :banana:

[WhiteWings]

Torment is the word that trips me up. The greek is "basinos" which is: Testing by the touchstone: torture:

Those definitions are correct; but not when the Gospel was written.

I quoted an article from a highly respected lexicon below. It was not before 288AD basinos slowly started to get additional meaning of checking calculations. And after that the meaning of torture.
Obviously theological dictionaries shouldn't list definitions more recent than when that word was penned down in the original manuscripts.



βάσανος, βασανίζω, βασανισμός, βασανιστής

1. The βάσανος originally belongs to the calling of the inspector of coins. It is linked with the Heb. root בחן ("to test") and the Egyptian bḫn; ("basalt"). According to K. Sethe.1 bhn is the word which underlies the Heb. בחן2 and the Gk. βάσανος. βάσανος is generally accepted to be a loan word. βασανίτης is most closely related to it. Βασανίτου λίθου ὄρος is the mountain of the bḫn stone. R. Herzog3 thinks that he may deduce from the etymological development that the ars spectandi, the testing of gold and silver as media of exchange by the proving stone, was first developed by the Babylonians,4 then came to the Aramaeans and Hebrews by way of Lydia (Λυδίαλίθος [Bacchyl. Fr., 14, 1, Blass]; βάσανος, Bacchyl., 8, 58), and from them to the Gks. In non-biblical Gk. βάσανος is a commercial expression, or is used in relation to government. It then acquires the meaning of the checking of calculations, which develops naturally out of the basic sense of βάσανος, βασανίζειν (P. Oxy., 58, 25 [288 a.d.]). In the spiritual sphere it has the figur., sense, which is closely related to the original concrete meaning, of a means of testing (Anth. Pal., VII, 54: ἀνδρῶν κρινομένων ἐν βασάνῳ σοφίης).

The word then undergoes a change in meaning. The original sense fades into the background. βάσανος now comes to denote "torture" or "the rack," espec. used with slaves (P. Lille, I, 29, 22; Ditt. Syll.3, 356, 12). βάσανος occurs in the sense of "torment" in Theocr. Idyll., 13, p. 13, 5, Meineke; Thom. Mag., p. 94, 4, Ritschl; Demetr. Eloc., 201, 4. An inscription from Cyprus (Salamis), BCH, 51 (1927), 148, 18, contains the malediction: ἐν βασάνοις ἀπόλοιτο. Vet. Val., IV, 13, p. 182, 19, Kroll has a reference to torments of soul (ψυχικὰς βασάνους).5

The change in meaning is best explained if we begin with the object of treatment. If we put men instead of metal or a coin, the stone of testing become torture or the rack. The metal which has survived the testing stone is subjected to harsher treatment. Man is in the same position when severely tested by torture. In the testing of metal an essential role was played by the thought of testing and proving genuineness. The rack is a means of showing the true state of affairs. In its proper sense it is a means of testing and proving,6 though also of punishment. Finally, even this special meaning was weakened and only the general element of torment remained.

2. In the LXX the word βάσανος and deriv. are seldom found except in the originally Gk. books, or those preserved only in Gk. A corresponding basis in the Heb. is lacking in almost every case. The word group is most common in 4 Macc. With βάσανος and βασανίζειν we here find βασανισμός, βασανιστήριον (tormentum) and προβασανίζειν. In general two groups of meaning may be discerned: a. testing afflictions which the righteous have to suffer in the world at the hands of the ungodly; and b. judicial sufferings which by reason of his conduct the ungodly will receive from the righteous in time and eternity. The martyrdom which the righteous have to suffer can consist in spiritual or physical torments (Wis. 2:19). In a few passages (e.g., Wis. 3:1) βάσανος is to be understood eschatologically. In Ez. 12:18, where we have βάσανος with ὀδύνη and θλῖψις, it has the meaning of eschatological affliction. In Ez. 32:24, 30 βάσανος refers to future torments. In Ez. 3:20; 7:19 (Heb. מִבְשׁוֹל), the LXX has altered the original meaning of the text; βάσανος is suffering in the sense of punishment. There is a similar alteration in 1 Βασ‌. 6:3, 4, 8, 17, where the Heb. has אָשָׁם and refers to guilt to be stoned, whereas the LXX speaks of trouble for which payment must be made. The same is probably true in Ez. 16:52, 54; 32:24, 30 (Heb. בְּלִמָּה), where instead of shame or disgrace the LXX has affliction in the sense of punishment. The reference in Sir. 30:35 (33:27) is to the punishment of a wicked slave. Here στρέβλη (στρέβλαι καὶ βάσανοι) is par. to βάσανος. In one passage (Wis. 2:19) βάσανος is par. to ὕβρις (mockery).

With βασανίζειν we sometimes have the basic meaning of testing genuineness, as in Sir. 4:7. The predominant meaning, however, is "to torment" or "to torture." In Wis. 11:9 (10) βασανίζειν and πειράζειν are set in juxtaposition.

Of the other translators Ἀ in Qoh. 1:18 and 2:23 has βάσανος8 for מַבְאוֹב, whereas the LXX uses ἄλγημα. In Ἰερ. 20:2 Σ according to Jerome has βασανιστήριον sive στρεβλωτήριον, which in the LXX is found only in 4 Macc.; the LXX and Θ here have καταράκτης. At Prv. 10:8 (LXX: ὑποσκελίζειν) Σ has βασανίζειν, obviously in the sense of punishing with plagues; cf. Ἀ: δέρω (δαρήσεται); the (יִלָּבֵט) לָבַט of the Heb., however, means to bring to pass. Θ at 1 Βασ‌. 15:33 has ἐβασάνισεν in the sense of penal torments (Ἀ Σ: διέσπασεν, LXX: ἔσφαξε, Heb. שָׁסַף).

3. βάσανος occurs in the NT only in Mt. and Lk. At Mt. 4:24 νόσοι and βάσανοι are co-ordinated.9 At Lk. 16:23, 28 the plur. βάσανοι refers to the torments of hell.10 Hell is called ὁ τόπος τῆς βασάνου.

βασανίζειν means strictly "to test by the proving stone" (βάσανος), i.e., "to rub against it," "to test the genuineness of," "to examine or try," then "to apply means of torture to find the truth," "to harry or torture" in a hearing or before a tribunal.11 In the NT it is found only in the general sense of "to plague" or "to torment." The centurion's servant lying sick of a palsy is grievously tormented (Mt. 8:6).12 To those possessed with demons encounter with Jesus is a tormenting experience (Mt. 8:29; Mk. 5:7; Lk. 8:28). At Rev. 12:2 βασανίζειν, like βάσανος in Anth. Pal., IX, 311, is used of the pains of labour.13 At 2 Pt. 2:8 there is reference to the inner torment of soul at the sight of the acts of the ungodly; Lot suffers as he sees the licentiousness of the inhabitants of Sodom.14 This is the only passage in the NT in which βασανίζειν is connected with the suffering of the righteous. In Rev. βασανίζειν is used of the torments of the last time. At Mt. 14:24; Mk. 6:48 it is used to depict the serious situation of the disciples on the lake; their boat is hard pressed by the waves.15 The suggestion that βασανίζεσθαι denotes the torture of the disciples rowing16 is artificial. In both passages it must be taken passively.17

βασανισμός occurs only in Rev. In 9:5 it is used actively of the torment which will come on men as the first woe after the fifth trumpet. In 18:7ff., however, it is used passively and denotes the suffering of Babylon when deprived of its power. This torment strikes the once powerful city in retribution for its wicked conduct.

βασανιστής does not occur in the NT in the original sense of a "tester" but it is found once in Mt. 18:34 in the sense of a "tormentor."18
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, ed. Gerhard Kittel, Geoffrey W. Bromiley, Gerhard Friedrich et al., electronic ed., 1:561-563 (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1964).

[Jock]

WhiteWings

Thanks for your contribution! Whilst reading your last post, I was thinking how men, most likely religious men have changed the meaning of basinos from testing by a touchstone so as the slag comes to the surface, to "torture" which does not reflect the nature of God. I used to be a welder (electric arc welder) and after the weld is made there is a slag that must be chipped off, leaving a nice straight tidy weld.

Thanks again

Jock  :flamebreath:

[WhiteWings]

after the weld is made there is a slag that must be chipped off, leaving a nice straight tidy weld.

That's similar to removing the dross from the gold or silver. Or wash dirt away with the fuller's soap.

[darryl]

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I DO know that there is no eternal torment in Hell, Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna or whatever you want to call it. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether the "stay" in the lake of fire is eternal or not. The Bible says that The lake of fire is the second death, but also that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever"...

Does "forever" mean, an aion?

Jock.

' .
I DO know that there is no eternal torment in Hell, Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna or whatever you want to call it. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether the "stay" in the lake of fire is eternal or not. The Bible says that The lake of fire is the second death, but also that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever"...'


'forever and ever' in the Greek literally says to the 'ages of the ages'...
eis   εἰς   to   Prep
165 [e]   aiōnas   αἰῶνας   ages   N-AMP
165 [e]   aiōnōn   αἰώνων   of ages   N-GMP
305 [e]   anabainei   ἀναβαίνει,   goes up;

one explanation is these are 'the penultimate Ages of Ages'...the climax of the Ages, if you will...the Ages when God brings all to fruition, when He finally reconciles ALL to Himself. :dsunny:..or maybe the 'smoke ' goes up to the Ages of Ages as a lasting memorial of the examination and chastening of these ones...still another explanation is that smoke is the result of change..fire changes things into something else...the smoke going up to the ages of ages is testament to the lasting change that has taken place...anyway, one doesn't need to interpret 'the smoke going up forever and ever' as meaning people are burnt alive forever and ever..that is a preposterous way to interpret this phrase.

[marie glen]

Jude 7 says Sodom and Gomorrah are the example of the penalty of eternal fire.. So that makes me look at those places and how does the smoke of their burning rise up age to age :dontknow: ...my :2c: It rises up in our memory, age to age.. not forgotten.. :2c:
http://studybible.info/IGNT/jude%201:7

Also looking at 1 Corinthians 15:22-24,26 w/ Revelation 21:3-4

1 Corinthians 15
22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --
..26 the last enemy is done away -- death;

Revelation 21
3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God,
4 and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.'

[ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:22-24,26;Revelation%2021:3-4&version=YLT ]

(Interlinear Version) - http://studybible.info/IGNT/1%20Corinthians%2015:22-24
- As for in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own rank: the firstfruit Christ, then those of Christ at His coming, then the end, when He shall have given up the kingdom to Him who is God and Father, when He shall have annulled all rule and all authority and power. (from Verse 26 - "the last enemy annulled is death" - And verse 28 - so that God may be all in all)

i.e., I can't see an age between the end of 'day' of judgment and when God says "behold all things are new/ the last enemy annulled is death" (lof/2nd death - this makes me think the 2nd death/lof for nonbelievers is death to self/reckoning self as crucified with Christ, and occurring during judgment 'day', as it's before all things are made new, just my :2c: )
   :Peace2: :gsmile:

[micah7:9]

Jude 7 says Sodom and Gomorrah are the example of the penalty of eternal fire.. So that makes me look at those places and how does the smoke of their burning rise up age to age :dontknow: ...my :2c: It rises up in our memory, age to age.. not forgotten.. :2c:
http://studybible.info/IGNT/jude%201:7

Also looking at 1 Corinthians 15:22-24,26 w/ Revelation 21:3-4

1 Corinthians 15
22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --
..26 the last enemy is done away -- death;

Revelation 21
3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God,
4 and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.'

[ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:22-24,26;Revelation%2021:3-4&version=YLT ]

(Interlinear Version) - http://studybible.info/IGNT/1%20Corinthians%2015:22-24
- As for in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own rank: the firstfruit Christ, then those of Christ at His coming, then the end, when He shall have given up the kingdom to Him who is God and Father, when He shall have annulled all rule and all authority and power. (from Verse 26 - "the last enemy annulled is death" - And verse 28 - so that God may be all in all)

i.e., I can't see an age between the end of 'day' of judgment and when God says "behold all things are new/ the last enemy annulled is death" (lof/2nd death - this makes me think the 2nd death/lof for nonbelievers is death to self/reckoning self as crucified with Christ, and occurring during judgment 'day', as it's before all things are made new, just my :2c: )
   :Peace2: :gsmile:

And to add to that.....2Ti 1:10  But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

[marie glen]

 :thumbsup: :banana: :cloud9: He did!

[MHz]

IMO [mod edit], 'Eternity; is how long a certain thing lasts. Jonah was in hell for an eternity yet it was 3 days and 3 night. The eternity of this earth is from Ge:1:1 until it vanishes just before judgment.

Eternity in hell ends at the GWT event for gentiles and it starts the day the 7th trump sounds. For the 12 tribes it is the 3 1/2 years that the first 6 trumps take to sound. The 6th one starts something that last for the 42 months minus the 5 months the 5th trump uses up. The 1/3 that die would be something like 2.22B people if the starting population was 6,66B people (between the ages of 20 and 120)

Eternity for the new earth is more like 360M years or 360B.   :2c: [mod edit]