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[jbertonbounds]

... the only way to get the truth is to ask Father for it and have His Spirit reveal it to you. There are many opinions on what is written in the bible but the only one I care to learn it from is Him. I did the bible university thing, studied til the cows came home and came out more confused than ever. It wasn't until I started learning from Him again, and from those taught directly by Him, that I began to see the truth rather than confusion. (Certainly there is a place for study and I am not saying not to study, which I have been accused of before. Only that we need to ask our Father to reveal the truth in anything to us.)

Lomarah, you have a beautiful testimony in this.  :HeartThrob: Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

[JulieTang84]

Children of Father why all of the bickering :sigh:


Have most of you forgotten LOVE  :HeartThrob:


Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. ... 1Cr 13:4-8


No one can say anything to offend or anger anyone here unless the one chooses to be offended or angered.


This is no joke, comments like sarcasm and Lomarah feeling she had to apologize for being "condescending" should never be an issue!


WHY!!!! because we are brothers and sisters in Christ and we should NEVER be so quick to JUDGE one another with any intent other than LOVE. Words are not PERSONAL, and dare I say is the intent that they appear to carry unless one DECIDES to make them so.


Don't you think a quick question asking for an explanation is most useful, if the "understood" meaning is not of Love?


I think a Group Hug is very much in order.  :friendstu: :friendstu: :friendstu:


I love you all dear brothers and sisters  :HeartThrob:


Julie

[jbertonbounds]

"Peace, be still."
"Be still and know that I am God."

[VineBranch]

Oops, my post was not condescending but I see now how it could've been taken as such. VB what I meant was, you are asking many questions and I used to do the same, but I realized the only way to get the truth is to ask Father for it and have His Spirit reveal it to you. There are many opinions on what is written in the bible but the only one I care to learn it from is Him. I did the bible university thing, studied til the cows came home and came out more confused than ever. It wasn't until I started learning from Him again, and from those taught directly by Him, that I began to see the truth rather than confusion. (Certainly there is a place for study and I am not saying not to study, which I have been accused of before. Only that we need to ask our Father to reveal the truth in anything to us.)

I "amen"ed Sheila's post because she certainly is speaking of beautiful spiritual things and seemed to be being mocked.

Okay, maybe I read it incorrectly.  Here's what I read:  "VB ask Daddy to show you these things. His Spirit wrote them and His same Spirit reveals them. The carnal mind is enmity toward them and cannot grasp them. "

so ..."VB ask Daddy to show you these things." Because obviously I don't know them, or else why would you say that.  (That seems a bit judgemental, but that's just me.)

and ..." The carnal mind is enmity toward them and cannot grasp them."  So, because I don't know those things which God could show me, I must still in my carnal mind.  (Again, a bit judgemental to set yourself up as knowing where someone is spiritually.)

Did I get it wrong?

I think maybe, if you are of a mind, we could remember that this turned ugly when Sheila accused me of being sarcastic, and all of you jumped on the band wagon.  May I also remind you of an incident last spring when you defended a fellow named Tom.  He actually viciously attacked me and called me a troll, after I questioned him on something.  Jabcat banned him for his offensiveness.  Even after Jab did that you still protected him.  I say one word against Sheila and I am in need of sensitivity training from on high.  What are we twelve?  Is this still a popularity contest? 

[JulieTang84]

I think maybe, if you are of a mind, we could remember that this turned ugly when Sheila accused me of being sarcastic, and all of you jumped on the band wagon.  May I also remind you of an incident last spring when you defended a fellow named Tom.  He actually viciously attacked me and called me a troll, after I questioned him on something.  Jabcat banned him for his offensiveness.  Even after Jab did that you still protected him.  I say one word against Sheila and I am in need of sensitivity training from on high.  What are we twelve?  Is this still a popularity contest?

VB, I am coming to your defense. We are not perfect, nor we read minds or hearts. I was shocked when I read of all the bickering. There is no need for it, and all involved should feel the need to openly apologize for not showing the Love so freely given them.


We CANNOT have it both ways. We must never forsake love for ego, which is sadly what happened. Feelings got hurt because those holding them wanted them hurt.


There is fault all way round and I am no more perfect than anyone else, so I will start by saying:


"If I have inadvertently offended anyone here with anything I said or implied, please accept my heartfelt apology. It was neither my intention or goal."


If we, with hearts and souls opened by Spirit for and because of Love cannot show the same for each other, perhaps it is time for a break and some quiet time knowing Father.


Much Love, Julie  :HeartThrob:

[lomarah]

Yeah VB, that's not how I meant it at all. It must have looked that way because of my amen to Sheila's post but I was going to suggest you ask Daddy about your questions long before then, I just didn't get a chance. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, what I'm saying is the only one who does know for sure is our Father. And I was thanking Sheila for her posts because I know how it can feel when someone comes down on the truths you have learned... it makes you not want to share at all. I have really benefited from her sharing and do not want her stopping!

Anyhow I think I've explained myself well enough, I meant no offense to anyone, believe me or not.

And if by Tom you mean Marc I also meant no offense to you by wanting to keep him around but I love the guy like a brother and was hoping we could work things out peacefully while not having to ban anyone. It apparently could not be so, jab pm'ed me some details I was unaware of and he is no longer here. (Marc if you're reading this I hope you're well!)

Anyhow, blessings and peace to you all.  :HeartThrob:

[lomarah]

"Peace, be still."
"Be still and know that I am God."

LIKE!

[mplsfitter539]

This is beginning to sound off topic :flamebreath:

[VineBranch]

This is beginning to sound off topic :flamebreath:

Beginning to?? LOL   :laugh:  Oh, thanks for that.

[VineBranch]

Open letter to Shiela

Sorry Sheila.  I could have backed down, instead I got my back up.  It wasn't very loving, and I didn't exhibit any grace.  I offer no excuses.  I'll submit to being banned if you choose.  Before I am banned however, I beg your forgiveness.

[sheila]

I'm sorry,tooVB.   Yet,Iknow this,whenFather andJesus  complete that which they have

begun in you...you will be such an awesome brother! He doesn' tcount our sins against us

  VB.....but delivers us from them.  As painful and as upsetting as it is for all of us,welearn

from allthese things.

   we all have freedom in Him to make mistakes and learn from them.  WhetherI was wrong

to say what I did to you,I do not know at this point. Ijust know something in me said

  'enough"!  Godknows,andI am sure He will uncover anything hidden in me as to my motivation

  for what it was,whether it was a failing in my love for you,pure stubborness that made me

dig in my heels onthe matter..or out of genuine love for  what I perceived as

spiritually abusive.

   Regardless,Iknow that you as well as me,will bewith Him in the eternal Kingdom of His

perfect love. And we shall be reconciled. there is always a future for the manof peace.

   and He shall give it to us all.