The two witnesses of Revelation 11

[marie glen]

...I really, really, wish someone could hear me... (continued) :sigh:

From rev 13:13, having occurred in 1945, thus pinpointing an office for those in the day to keep an eye on..

to rev 12:14, being a 2nd migration of the faith, now the grafted branch, following verse 13, the inquisitions..

to realizing most Bible prophecy buffs, have the Book of Revelation time frame.. order.. etc.. aLL messed up..

Because, there are locks on the vision.. I suppose others will be given the keys (to see the locks is to have the keys) some day..

I suppose the idea from that maiden who stood up in church and declared it, was it in 1800 something? which began the (pre tribulation) rapture theory, has convinced most we don't need to "hear, listen, heed".. and pass it on..

"seven times, in each letter, including 2:10 which says "ten days tribulation" (commonly called great?)Jesus said "he that has an ear let him hear"

And one more time, in chapter 13, said "if any man, have an ear, let him hear" 

oh, and I forgot dan 12:11,12.. wish someone else could add the days,
see the counting backwards calendar.. :sigh: / :smile:

[jabcat]

I'm listening.  I hear you.   :laughing7:

But rev 20:4d, I don't believe, is the wrath of God, but beheadings carried out by men.. Even as Christians are being killed in many lands now, but rev 20:4d, is especially gruesome as it is a slow process.. (sorry, I really don't like pointing that out, but all the more reason to pass on those signs Jesus said to hear, listen, heed.)

I believe the signs given are for the purpose of enabling folks to avoid that -

..and do what, do you  believe?

Also, do you believe it's world-wide, or mostly Middle East?  I've seen some advocate getting ready [physically] by setting aside rations for varying amounts of time, based on their own view of the tribulation.  Someone said to prepare food for 7 years!  Yikes, I think that would leave most out in the cold.  One famous preacher reportedly said he'd have plenty of ammo.

OTOH, some say strictly trust God.  So what say ye?  Any solid scripture(s) re: "and do what"?

[marie glen]

P.S  - to me Bible prophecy, especially the Book of Rev, is also evangelical, as when people see current events mirrored in it, it helps convince them of the truth of the saving gospel.. And the 1st resurrection still far surpasses the 2nd (for a while anyway!)
:smile:

[JulieTang84]

I'm listening.  I hear you.   :laughing7:

But rev 20:4d, I don't believe, is the wrath of God, but beheadings carried out by men.. Even as Christians are being killed in many lands now, but rev 20:4d, is especially gruesome as it is a slow process.. (sorry, I really don't like pointing that out, but all the more reason to pass on those signs Jesus said to hear, listen, heed.)

I believe the signs given are for the purpose of enabling folks to avoid that -

..and do what, do you  believe?

Also, do you believe it's world-wide, or mostly Middle East?  I've seen some advocate getting ready [physically] by setting aside rations for varying amounts of time, based on their own view of the tribulation.  Someone said to prepare food for 7 years!  Yikes, I think that would leave most out in the cold.  One famous preacher reportedly said he'd have plenty of ammo.

OTOH, some say strictly trust God.  So what say ye?  Any solid scripture(s) re: "and do what"?

Psalm 23A psalm of David.
1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2     He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3     he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
    for his name's sake.
4 Even though I walk
    through the darkest valley,[a]
I will fear no evil,
    for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
    they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

James, can we REALLY trust without unconditional LOVE. Can we then HOPE if we cannot Trust?

Yet, is not LOVE even greater than FAITH and so it should be because as Paul said Faith without LOVE is nothing.

What place has fear in a heart and soul filled with Love. Our world is lacking nothing but LOVE!!!!  :HeartThrob:

Love is EVERYTHING!!!   :HeartThrob:

LOVE Julie

[marie glen]

I'm listening.  I hear you.   :laughing7:

But rev 20:4d, I don't believe, is the wrath of God, but beheadings carried out by men.. Even as Christians are being killed in many lands now, but rev 20:4d, is especially gruesome as it is a slow process.. (sorry, I really don't like pointing that out, but all the more reason to pass on those signs Jesus said to hear, listen, heed.)

I believe the signs given are for the purpose of enabling folks to avoid that -

..and do what, do you  believe?

Also, do you believe it's world-wide, or mostly Middle East?  I've seen some advocate getting ready [physically] by setting aside rations for varying amounts of time, based on their own view of the tribulation.  Someone said to prepare food for 7 years!  Yikes, I think that would leave most out in the cold.  One famous preacher reportedly said he'd have plenty of ammo.

OTOH, some say strictly trust God.  So what say ye?  Any solid scripture(s) re: "and do what"?

hi Jabcat,

I believe world wide.. but,
I personally think 45 days cannot buy or sell (dn 12:11,12,pasted below) with the last "ten days" (rev 2:10) escalating to "will be killed" i.e. Rev 20:4d

And this is the verse I think of, with the word "indignation" in this verse being simply that, indignation, not God's "wrath" as it seems "wrath" is how most translators see it - (I think of it in the same sense that God, who is Life, suffers all indignations which ever occur.)

Isaiah 26:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
(See, the translators title it: Take Refuge from the Coming Judgment, I don't read it that way.)

20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

(Ten Days.)

Daniel 12:11
New King James Version (NKJV)

11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Most Bible prophecy buffs believe this indicates the notorious "building of a third temple and Israel offers animal sacrifices as of old.. personally, I don't agree with that, and I was never taught by any person, church or organization.. just me and waiting upon Him.. (during my wonderful hermit years)

And what I think the "daily sacrifice is daily sacrifices of prayers and thanksgiving, right there in Jerusalem every day /daily.. right now. This is what bugs me most.. How invisible! ..things that are big and pretty as you please in the world, are invisible to God's ppl, when it comes to Bible prophecy. (God answered my prayer with a question: "what are the (strongest) forces at work upon mankind TODAY?"

Also, having to do with a place which could be removed.. where daily sacrifices of praise, prayer and thanksgiving are offered every day, is the beginning of Matthew 24, when the disciples, coming out of the temple with Jesus, said to Him how GReat it was and Jesus replied "see aLL these things?" (all these buildings, the temple complex including walls) "not ONE stone will remain one upon another".

This has not been fully fufilled yet. (Please bear with me, this is to support the "ten days" great "tribulation" theory.)

What I'm saying, and this I did not discover thru prayer and prayerful study, but I read it from another believer some few years ago.. seems long ago, when i first came online with my little web tv unit, in web tv discussion forums, and it struck a chord with me, an "aha!" moment.

What I'm saying is that Wailing Wall, a wall of the temple complex is sitting there presently, more than one stone atop another, and is where people, both Jewish and Christian say and write prayers and thanksgiving on pieces of paper every day and stick them in between the stones.. the same ones still one atop another.. for now.

(in 12) Daniel said "11-And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days." (3.5 Hebrew years plus a Hebrew leap month, i.e. 3.5 yrs plus one month, but they are Hebrew calendar months)  "12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days." (Which is 45 days later).

Here, to me, is a clear sign, three years and seven months after, "the" place of "daily sacrifice is taken away" - I've read somewhere a version which said "is removed" - 3 yrs, 7 months later will be the setting up of an abomination which desolates - I believe this WAS fulfilled in 70 a.d. but, imo, just about all Bible prophecy ties into the Book of Revelation and that was written at least 20 years after 70 a.d. (The parallelism of Bible prophecy.. an imminent, more or less fulfillment and a 'last' days fulfillment.. last days of mens' empires)

The Amplified Version Bible calls the Abomination which desolates, 666.. the 666apparatus. And I agree.

So what happy event occurs on the 1,335 th day after the daily sacrifice is removed.. and also on the 45 th day of 666? And why is one blessed to make it to that day?

I've had ppl reply to me the days are 1,335 years (the day for a year theory b'cause a thousand years is as a day to Father Creator) but it's awful hard for a man/ a person to wait and come to 1,335 years!

So that's it, to me, a mere "10 days"  for those of the day (I don't think it will be in my days) to "hide thyself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past." So "happy they may be to wait and come to the 45th day of it".

Thanks, Jabcat, for listening :gsmile:

[sheila]

I beleive that by 1945...when satan had gone forth to mislead the nations..and had caused two world wars to occurr....

  that was also part of the composite 'signs'.   Hitler's 1000 yr reicht was an imitation corrupt image trying to usurp

  Jesus position[robber and theif that come before Him] and the Kingdom of Heaven.  Many 'pretenders' to the throne

  have manifested

      He said 'these things must occur"    He also said 'come out of her my people,lest ye receive of her plaagues"

    so we can yeild to His holy spirit..endure..and pray that we escape these things

    we are told...the woman shaall be kept safe through childbearing..prvided she remain a worker at home......

     He likens all these things as childbirth pangs...He also says...close the door and go into your interoir rooms..

   when He passed through Egypt and slayed the firstborn of Pharoah..there was Lamb's blood on the doorpost

   there was light in the Israelites homes,and nary a dog barked.  if there is blood on your doorpost,then you are found spotless

and without blemish in Him...and there is light in your house.   I truly beleive that those who hope in Him shall not be ashaamed

   I beleive He will keep us through the hour f trial......

    I BELEIVE IF THE RIGHTEOUS ONE SHOULD STRIKE THIS EARTH..IT WOULD EVEN BE A BLESSING

   [in other words,it would be for good,and not evil]

    I beleive He speaks..and His spirit will direct us..it is not as if His presence is not going to be with us through all this.

    Because of His great Love,ye sons of men are NOT consumed.

   Beleive in Him,trust in Him,lean not upon your own understanding.


    Imagine the joy of those who have had victory in Christ..who had resisted sin even unto the shedding of their blood

  they have hd victory over the last enemy...I'm sure they would have not traded that for anything...Think upon their

triumph and partaking in His Glory!!  Dwell not upon the temporal suffering of a moment...that is as nothing compred

to the eternal Glory that is now their's!

[Tom]

"Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

I believe this refers to the coming indignation. How do you interpret it?

"Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him." (Romans 5:9)

hi Tom!  :smile:

I totally agree that the 'end' of the story is not (in) the Book of Revelation. Indeed, it's much more of a beginning, than an 'end'.. unless we want to count the "end" of man's empire(s), as empire(s). The (s) because they/it, is going global.

Romans 5:9, in most versions reads "wrath of God", and the Amplified says it like this -

"Therefore, since we are now justified (acquitted, made righteous, and brought into right relationship with God) by Christ's blood, how much more [certain is it that] we shall be saved by Him from the indignation and wrath of God."

To that I say amen! I do not believe the wrath of God will touch any believer. It's my belief we meet the Lord at His coming.. as the seven bowls (last results/consequences of mankind's doings, yet also God's Wrath) come down (fiery, Ezekiel makes it sound thermal nuclear).

But rev 20:4d, I don't believe, is the wrath of God, but beheadings carried out by men..

- "He comes with fire and angels.." 2 thes 1:7,8; imo, as the fire goes down (the 7 bowls are poured out "quickly" / concurrently?? -- (I keep getting sidetracked, sorry). As the fire goes down (v) the saints go up (^).

Jesus, when here, said He would raise up those who believe "at the last day" - And Paul wrote "we who are alive will not precede those who are asleep" (in death, of course). (1 th 4)

(1 Th 1:7,8)"He comes with fire and angels.." and (Mt24:29-31)"Immediately aFter the tribulation of those days.. they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds.. and He will send His angels out to gather His elect from the four corners of the earth." (The 4 directions for those crazy folk, not here on tentmaker(!) who like to claim Jesus thought the earth was flat, rofL :laughing7: )

But rev 20:4d, I don't believe, is the wrath of God, but beheadings carried out by men.. Even as Christians are being killed in many lands now, but rev 20:4d, is especially gruesome as it is a slow process.. (sorry, I really don't like pointing that out, but all the more reason to pass on those signs Jesus said to hear, listen, heed.)

I believe the signs given are for the purpose of enabling folks to avoid that -

Which I believe Daniel 12:11,12 says will occur for the longest length of time being ONLY 45 DAYS :smile:
.. I find myself thinking "not able to buy or sell" accelerates, as things are prone to do, to become rev 20:4d carried out by men, for "ten days tribulation" - the final ten days of Daniel's prophesied 45 days(dn12:11,12)

[I just wish somebody could hear me..] This is not directed toward you Tom.. [but I really, really, wish someone could hear me!! imo,the verses are so clear..]

There is a distinction between tribulation and wrath. I think the tribulation is brought on faithful Jews in Israel by men when they refuse to worship the symbol of man's rule while the unfaithful Jews and the nations will suffer from God's indignation.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil026.html

[jabcat]

Wow, lots of good replies here.

I definitely agree, trust.  Also, the 1945 alusions are interesting, as well as the difference between experiences for believing Jews and unbelieving Jews and the nations.

"close the door and go into your interior rooms"  (maybe literal and spiritual applications?)

I also hear you saying marie, there will be a time to indeed "hide away", make oneself scarce.  That makes sense to me, as since signs to watch for and warnings are given, it seems there would be specific things to then  do, and be prepared to do. 

Perhaps most folks could survive for 10 days in hiding [out of sight/laying low?].  For many it might just be knowing when to keep our head down, mouth shut, and prayers and trust even more active.   We're totally dependent on Him anyway, but especially during that time it would be a true imminent matter of life or death. 

Well, interesting studies.  Thanks, blessings.

[JulieTang84]

    Imagine the joy of those who have had victory in Christ..who had resisted sin even unto the shedding of their blood

  they have hd victory over the last enemy...I'm sure they would have not traded that for anything...Think upon their

triumph and partaking in His Glory!!  Dwell not upon the temporal suffering of a moment...that is as nothing compred

to the eternal Glory that is now their's!

Dear Shelia,


Please paint me anyway you feel fitting, but dear sister there will never be true joy in my heart for as long as I know that even one of my earthly brothers or sisters is missing from the coming fold of Love.


You see, I find this as the greatest stumbling block. Surely, those that would rejoice over their own good fortune *though not of their own but Father's) are more likely suffer indignation than those who knew no better.


This is just a very heartfelt and soul wrenching topic for me and I am not in any way saying that I took this in anyway that you meant.


I love you!!!!  :HeartThrob:

[size=78%]Love Julie  [/size]

[marie glen]

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil026.html

I found that link interesting, especially as I want to examine all sides to something.. but I personally find myself agreeing with this one more,
http://www.askelm.com/essentials/ess025.htm

God bless! :icon_flower:

[sheila]

what makes you think the ones beheaded for their testimony in Christ are missing? And what makes you think I am

  painting? you.

    I beleive you are judging my own comments according to the way 'you think I mean them" and not what I mean by them

      and 'I find this as the greatest stumbling block" did you mean as yours or mine.

   also..it is my beleif..that not one will be missing..s I'm sorry that you beleive there will be nd it brings you greif not joy

       and are you referring t thse who are rejoicing ver their own good fortune as those beheaded and in first resurrection

  coz that is what the paraagraph was about???? :dontknow:

[JulieTang84]

what makes you think the ones beheaded for their testimony in Christ are missing? And what makes you think I am

  painting? you.

    I beleive you are judging my own comments according to the way 'you think I mean them" and not what I mean by them

      and 'I find this as the greatest stumbling block" did you mean as yours or mine.

   also..it is my beleif..that not one will be missing..s I'm sorry that you beleive there will be nd it brings you greif not joy

       and are you referring t thse who are rejoicing ver their own good fortune as those beheaded and in first resurrection

  coz that is what the paraagraph was about???? :dontknow:

This is exactly my point where is the LOVE  :sigh:


Dear Shelia you chose to ignore the following:

This is just a very heartfelt and soul wrenching topic for me and I am not in any way saying that I took this in anyway that you meant.

I also never said that I believe anyone will be missing, just that there will be no complete joy until every single person is immersed in the Love of Father :HeartThrob:


Please forgive me if I offended you, it truly was not meant.


Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

actually,I thought it was you who were offended by my post,since you addressed it an me personally. When I wrote my

post it was in regard to Rev 20;4  'beheaded ones"   I had not even read your previous pst in the thread...but after your post

to me,I did go and read it.  But ,I am still of the opionion,my post had nothing to do with you,your post..etc.


    I beleive when the Lord returns to receive them to Himself..that they may always dwell with the Lord..they do rejoice.....

    and this rejoicing in them to always dwell with the Lord,will not be taken from them.  Each in his own order.


   to me,your pov is the same as saaying...I have no right to have any joy in His holy spirit,now..because many others

in the world at present don't. That I have no right to sing praises of joy and thanksgiving to Him now..because others

are unaware or in darkness to what His Holy spirit haas revealed .


   There is aa joy that belongs with faith...there is a peace that surpasses all understanding...that is not based on the

temporal circumstances of this realm.

    Now,if in fact,you are addressing..the spiteful glee of so called christians that say'praise the Lord I'm saved,but youre ging to

hell..to their f ellow men"   imo they are a stink offering rising in the nose of God........

     But that is not what I speak of...and because such people do such things..in no way..should the rightful joy of His people

  to rejoice in Him,be denied due to those who pervert.

   For the joy that was set before Him,He endured.

   

 

 

[JulieTang84]

Dear Shelia  :friendstu:


Please understand that I was not offended and had no intention of offending you.


YES!!!!!! Father has been so gracious in granting little me a peace and a joy that I have never felt before. The Joy is complete!!  Yet, it is "I" who has yet to fully appreciate it. This is my stumbling "block"


It is "I" who would give anything that everyone could feel Fathers Joy. It "SHOULD" be enough that His gift was given me, but it is I who want's to hurry Father along. Shame on me!!!  :sigh:


But this a grand lesson in Unconditional Love. My LOVE should never be constrained by anything real or perceived.


I was simply voicing what was in my heart and did a very poor job of explaining myself. Just because I knew what i meant was no reason to believe everyone else would. Sorry.


So here it is, if I refuse the complete JOY given me, shame on me. I think I am beginning to understand Paul when he said: "Love is Patient"


I have to learn that part.  :HeartThrob:


Love Julie  :girlheart:

[sheila]

Martha,Martha! You are worried aand upset about many things,but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen whaat

is better,and it will not be taken from her.

    THIS IS MY BELOVED SON,HEAR YE HIM!!

[sheila]

Julie, if He feel that waay about our house that He come and dwell in[Martha's house] how would He feel about those

over anxious and concerned with His.  I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE....His household is His buisiness..it is Him

that make's preparations for receiving all into Him. We must not be so anxious with things of His household that

we miss out the joy of His presence in ours and not hear Him.

    TRUST HIM,JULIE.......TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT IS NEEDED FOR ALL MEN.

[sheila]

   yes, the Bridegroom is delayed..and we can not pout or sulk over it...to hurry Him along........it will get us nowhere......

   exrta oil...[Hear ye Him] is beneficial......

[Tom]

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil026.html

I found that link interesting, especially as I want to examine all sides to something.. but I personally find myself agreeing with this one more,
http://www.askelm.com/essentials/ess025.htm

God bless! :icon_flower:

The Concordant Version does not use the word "rapture." It translates the Greek "harpagesometha" as "be snatched away."

"Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

The word became flesh in the man of Jesus Christ to minister to his people, the Jews, in Israel.

"I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Mathew 15:24)

Christ did not say he would "rapture His church away from this world so that they might escape the Great Tribulation" as the author says because Christ was not concerned with the "church," and it was not part of his teaching to the Jews that "the body of Christ" would "be snatched away" to meet him in the air. That was revealed to Paul for the ecclesia of the nations.

The word church is not even in scripture. It is a mistranslation of the Greek "ekklesia" meaning "out-called" that should be properly translated "ecclesia." The "church" has confused itself with Israel by mixing the two distinct evangels of Peter and Paul. Before Jesus Christ was crucified he gave Peter the evangel for the Circumcision, but the risen Christ Jesus commissioned Paul to the nations. We are the ecclesia of the nations not the "church."

The author says, "But if the doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible that no one should have referred to it before the 19th century." Personally I don't care what "eminent scholars" or the "Christian Fathers" or "those of the Reformation and post-Reformation periods" said or didn't say. I know what scripture says in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 though.

The author says, "To prevent people from understanding this natural meaning of the word, even the Concordant Version incorrectly translated the word as "former." This is sad! This departure from the principles of true translation is against the very principles of proper translation that Concordant Version correctly endorse. The Concordant Version is in most places, however, an excellent translation of the New Testament. The lapse in this Version shows how strong doctrinal beliefs can be and how they influence translators to mistranslate texts of the Scriptures to support their false theories. All of us must reject this type of approach."

I've attached screenshots of the word "former" from the Greek "proteron" literally meaning "before-more" and the word "first" from the Greek "proton" literally meaning "before-most" from the Concordant Keyword Concordance. I think the author is making a false assumption about the word "former" being use to promote the so called "Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory."   

I'm starting to feel like I'm back on christianchat.com with the continuous debate of Covenant Theology vs. Dispensationalism. The author seems to be making a not so subtle attempt to discredit those of the Dispensationalist persuasion. So I assume he is into Covenant Theology. He is saying Dispensationalism mixed with Pentecostalism and the visions of an ill woman are responsible for the so called "Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory."

It is scripture that says we will "be snatched away" to meet Christ in the air. Some folks think we're coming right back down to earth with him based on the ancient custom suggested by the Greek "apantesin" which is translated "meet" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 referring to when folks would go outside a town to escort dignitaries back in. We will be vivified (1 Corinthians 15:22,23), but scripture doesn't say where we're going after we meet Christ in the air other than we will "always be together with the Lord." If Christ is on his way to earth for his second advent when we meet him in the air, and we escort Christ back down to earth protected from the tribulation of men and the indignation of God by our new spiritual bodies, maybe that would be a compromise for you Covenant Theology vs. Dispensationalism debaters, but I hear you Covenant folks don't believe in the 1000 years either because you say it is figurative. I hear you also say there are only two "ages." So I'm wondering how you interpret the Greek "aionias ton aionion" literally meaning "eons of the eons." It seems kind of strange to say "eons of the eons" if there are only two eons.

"The Lord will be rescuing me from every wicked work and will be saving me for His celestial kingdom: to Whom be glory for the eons of the eons. Amen!" (2 Timothy 4:18)

"The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!" (Revelation 11:15)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

So I guess what you Covenant folks are saying is the faithful Jews in Israel experience the tribulation; the unfaithful Jews and the unbelieving nations experience the indignation of God; and the body of Christ does not experience the indignation of God but does experience the tribulation even though it has been vivified and most of the body of Christ are not Jews from Israel?

All this theology gives me a headache.

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[anna274]

Re:  headache???   Big Time Pain Reliever(PR) = PRaise  (God inhabits the praises of His people)

Psalm 67
v 3  Let the people praise Thee, O God; let ALL the people praise Thee
v 4  O let the nations be glad and sing for JOY: for Thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon the earth.  Selah
v 5   Let the people praise Thee, O God:  let all the people praise Thee.
v 6   THEN shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us.
v 7   God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall adore Him.


PR   in song

PRAISE MEDLEY  jabcat/james 2008


Refrain:
Let all who love the Lord worship Him today
Let all who love the Lord let Him have His way
Let us offer up ourselves as a sacrifice of praise
Let all who love the Lord worship Him today


Lord You're so good to me
You're so good to me
You've given life and mercy You've blessed my family
Lord You're so good to me.

Refrain


Praise Him, let us praise Him
He is worthy of our praise
Praise Him, let us praise Him
He is worthy of our praise

Refrain


So let the JOY of the Lord be your strength, be your strength
Let the JOY of the Lord be your strength, be your strength
Open up your heart  :HeartThrob: to the Lord let His joy overflow
And let the JOY of the Lord be your strength.

[Tom]

Thanks for the cure Anna.

[Robert Sparks]

The only thing that would make people dance in the streets and give gifts over the death of the righteous would be the death of Judah and Israel in Jerusalem or possibly Israel and Christians (now that Israel is one state again). If the Islamic nations invaded and killed Jews and Christians in Jerusalem it's the Muslim MO to drag corpses around the streets and not bury them. Who else does that?
Only Muslims do that.
It all points to a future military campaign against the two witnesses Judah and Israel (or Israel and Christians) in Jerusalem. Who was there when God parted the red sea? Who was always there when God moved his hand?  Judah and/or Israel. Who was there when Christ was resurrected? Christians.
Who witnessed God's acts and carried his Word through the millennia?
Who witnessed Christ's acts and carried his word throughout the millennia?
Christians and Jews.
The two witnesses.

[sheila]

snatched away= Branchsnatched out of thefire.........Satanwas standing there resistinghim....

   The LORD REBUKE THEE SATAN...IS THIS NOT A BRANCH SNATCHED OUT OF THE FIRE?

   andthey put cleaan gaarments upon him.

[Robert Sparks]

The two witnesses of Revelation 11 are no question Judah and Israel.
Islam will kill the tribes from the north and south in Jerusalem and leave their bodies to rot in the streets while celebrating their death. This is typical of Islamists. They often drag the remains of dead people through the streets and celebrate. Islam is the religion of death that celebrates death and has a Prophet that only prophesied about death.
As far as I know, no other people in history other than Islam leave dead bodies out to be defiled for days on end.

[marie glen]

The only thing that would make people dance in the streets and give gifts over the death of the righteous would be the death of Judah and Israel in Jerusalem or possibly Israel and Christians (now that Israel is one state again). If the Islamic nations invaded and killed Jews and Christians in Jerusalem it's the Muslim MO to drag corpses around the streets and not bury them. Who else does that?
Only Muslims do that.
It all points to a future military campaign against the two witnesses Judah and Israel (or Israel and Christians) in Jerusalem. Who was there when God parted the red sea? Who was always there when God moved his hand?  Judah and/or Israel. Who was there when Christ was resurrected? Christians.
Who witnessed God's acts and carried his Word through the millennia?
Who witnessed Christ's acts and carried his word throughout the millennia?
Christians and Jews.
The two witnesses.

That makes a LOT of sense!  :thumbsup:

[rosered]

Ok this      posting of the two witnesses    has been  dead for  a year  and   the Lord has    blessed with some     new    thoughts about it  , Hope others    are also   given   some new understanding  ,    so going to raise it up
again and hope the HOLY SPIRIT  WILL    anoint  and breathe   new life into the Word   by His Spirit     this   AWESOME  message  for us all 

That we can  learn righteousness  of Jesus Christ and   understand His Truth by His own   witness and  testimony  which is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY  in those for now  times   

That  Spirit of prophecy   was in all those  before us,  and Peters witness declares it and be are blessed  by it  ,  Peter upon this rock /revealing of Christ   , the gates of hell shall not prevail  / go any farther  against it .


   1 PETER 1 3 Blessed is God The Father of Our Lord Yeshua The Messiah, he who in his great pity has begotten us again by the resurrection of Yeshua The Messiah to the hope of life,

4 And to an inheritance which is indestructible, undefiled and unfading, prepared for you in Heaven,


5 While you are kept by the power of God and by the faith, for the life which is ready to be revealed in the last time;[last time being the age of grace  upon us though the  1) Witnesses     with Jesus Christ  2   ]  as  all have the anointing of God Almighty Spirit of holiness
We Know  Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit   the First  of many  born in the earth   that shall also come though Him

6 In which life you shall rejoice for eternity, although at this time you are a bit weary with various temptations which suddenly come upon you,

7 So that the proof of your faith may appear, which is worth more than refined gold tried in the fire,

for glory and honor and praise at the revelation of Yeshua The Messiah,


8Him whom you have not seen and yet you love, and in his faith* you greatly rejoice with glorious joy which cannot be spoken,


9That you may receive the reward of your faith: The Life of your souls;

10About which Life The Prophets have investigated, when they prophesied about the grace that was going to be given to you. 11And they searched for what time The Spirit of The Messiah who dwelt in them revealed, and testified that the sufferings of The Messiah were coming, and his glory which was after that; 12And it was revealed to all those who were searching, because they were not inquiring for themselves, but for us they were prophesying of those things belonging to us, which now are revealed to you by those things in which we have evangelized you, by The Spirit of Holiness, who is sent from Heaven, into which things the Angels have also desired to gaze.

  there it is the   HOLY    SPIRIT   &    and OIL    of anointing     dwelling in them and same for us whom have the same SPIRIT  OF CHRIST   working in them   

13Because of this, gird up the loins of your mind, be perfectly attentive and hope for the joy which is coming to you in the revelation of Our Lord Yeshua The Messiah,


14As obedient children, and do not be partaking again of your former lusts, which you were lusting without knowledge.

15But be Holy Ones in your entire way of life, as he who has called you is holy, 16Because it is written: "Be holy, just as I also am holy."

17And if you call upon The Father,

he who has no respect of persons and judges every person according to his works, live your life in reverence in this time of your pilgrimage,
wow  a judging is in effect NOW BY GOD    !!! 

18As you know that you were redeemed from your worthless works which you received from your fathers,

not with silver which wears out, neither with gold,


19But with the precious blood of The Lamb, who has no blemish or defilement in him, who is The Messiah.


20He was appointed beforehand to this before the foundation of the world and was manifested at the end of times for you;


21You, who by him have believed in God, who raised him from among the dead and has given him the glory, that your faith and hope would be upon God,

22So that your souls would be sanctified in obedience to the truth and that they be filled with love without partiality, that you would be loving one another from a pure and perfect heart, 23As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.

  There is so much more

about this thoughout scriptures and    trying so hard to be careful 

  Just seeing the     7 lampstands    as the seven Spirits of God   burning  the   as   the EYES  of understanding in the     7 churches 

   7 means complete    from the two witnesses       of Zech 4       the  2 OLIVE TREES    planted of the Lord of hosts   as the Old and  New BEING WITNESSES    gathered as ONE IN   CHRIST , ONE SPIRIT ONE FAITH ONE HOPE ONE BAPTISM   ONE GOD

This is hard to   show  there are so many more scriptures         to place  in here to understand it all  , just like a flood   flowing of many  voices and mighty rushing Wind      , this so explains the song of  Moses and  song of the Lamb being sung in the heavens  and those in them     , seated with CHRIST in heavenly places      !!  Ezek  43 ;2

The Lord's Glory Returns to the Temple
1Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing toward the east; 2and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. 3And it was like the appearance of the vision which I saw, like the vision which I saw when He came to destroy the city. And the visions were like the vision which I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face


rev 14 The Lamb and the 144,000
1Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.

  rev 1 John's Vision on Patmos
...14His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength


Knowing there is much more to be revealed    unsealed and opened  by the Lords hand
wow  :ty:  Lord of heavenly hosts !!