Gen. 4

[anna274]

My point Micah is no one is dead to Father   

I usually dont  post alot these days , but read often on the Tent   
and Julie  , I just want  you to consider something here , that maybe you have not before  ,   that helps fit    many other scriptures  especially those written by Pauls experience  in the New Testament .
when  we are born in the world  first by our mothers womb , we are born  of the tree of knowledge of good and evil   ,
  the reason being why Jesus told Nicodemus  , you must be born again in John 4   
I do not believe anyone  is alive to the Father  , except Jesus Christ ,  His son and those   found hidden in him  , those sons of God are revealed by the very nature   that is Christ 

  Jesus was sent  into the world     to become the Lord /master of the dead and the living    , they were as dead  spiritually   to God ,  because the the curse     eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil
God is only the God of the LIVING  ,   Jeus own word   here in These verses  , making it facts to me 
and   there is no name under heaven by which we must be saved  , that is JESUS CHRIST   ,   we are all hid in the living son , till the revealing of the sons of God come forth out of Christ /annoited   Jesus /salavation   
 
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.


 
   a clue   being Jesus saying make the tree  good and its fruit good or make it corrupt and its  fruit corrupt

A tree [US all  being as trees walking ]   is KNOWN by its fruit 
the fruit of Life /Spirit of Life [tree of Life  =JESUS ]  or the tree of knowledge of good and evil  , the evil brings forth fruit unto death as cain  is known by ...  yet the good /abel     blood cries from the ground    is chosen to produce fruit to God  , the salvage ,    the another seed to take its place , it was Seth/compensation   as the old  was  told  Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.    but   it is Christ [the annoited ]  now   as we all know can endure all things who strengthens us ,   He is within us  ,  to be revealed   to the world , this seed /Word of God   is able to endure the fire  , for the Holy Spirity and Fire is what Jesus come to ignight     during the baptism [in Luke 12 ;49   came to send fire on the earth , this division   is the seperating the corrupt from the HOLY !  to burn away the dross of corrutption  of mans works  and establish the works of God in SPIRIT AND TRUTH .

  This also as  a metaphor   as   being  hot or cold  , not the lukewarm state of the lacodiean   church  , bearing both  kinds of fruit   , cain a man  from the Lord and Abel  a spirit /breath 
the man of sin and  breath of God   , as the seed of Christ is planted in the hearts of mankind
  you are the temple of the Living God and the Kingdom of God is within you  .
  just some thoughts to consider    , as I have over the years

  :girlheart:

Thank you so much, Rosered, you have provided many Scripturally sound words that speak to my hungry mind and heart... so much to ponder --  so many words to help us grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ--Savior of all men, especially those who believe.  I'm reminded of Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. May His peace, joy, love, grace, mercy, LIGHT shine in your mind and heart. 

[rosered]

 

Thank you so much, Rosered, you have provided many Scripturally sound words that speak to my hungry mind and heart... so much to ponder --  so many words to help us grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ--Savior of all men, especially those who believe.  I'm reminded of Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. May His peace, joy, love, grace, mercy, LIGHT shine in your mind and heart. 

And to yours and all as well sister Anna !!   I was reminded of     Peter  son of Barjonas     after your post !      and Jesus telling him  flesh and blood did not  reveal     this to him , but the Father   / SPIRIT         letting him know   , by hearing what the Spirit is saying    ,  that  Jesus Christ  is the Son of God !!  :girlheart:   his measure of faith  given ,   that wouls be increased by God !!      His peace He gives us  not as the world gives peace !  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 


Jhn 14:11   Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 


Jhn 14:12 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 


Jhn 14:13   And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 


Jhn 14:14   If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. 


Jhn 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments. 


Jhn 14:16   And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 


Jhn 14:17   [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 


Jhn 14:18   I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 


Jhn 14:19 ¶ Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 


Jhn 14:20   At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 
Jhn 14:21   He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 


Jhn 14:22   Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 
Jhn 14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.   :HeartThrob:


Jhn 14:24   He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 


Jhn 14:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. 


Jhn 14:26  But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 
Jhn 14:27  Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 

Jhn 14:28   Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 


Jhn 14:29   And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 


Jhn 14:30   Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 
     the Spirit of ONENESS  gathered into Christ and the Father !!   

[micah7:9]

Micah, check out the vid in the link. It was produced by creation scientists to show evidence of the human genome degenerating which is actuallly the best evidence that evolution does not make sense.

Genetic Mutation - Magnificent Modifier or Mega Meltdown?

http://creation.com/media-center?fileID=9IfV5iRQbIU

Evolution does not make sense......Amen and Amen! :dsunny:

[JulieTang84]

RoseRed please know that your post was recieved with the love  :HeartThrob: in which it was given.


Father has taught me to look past what is understood and seek what is in Love  :HeartThrob:


This is what I have been given to understand..... :friendstu:

That all are "alive" to Father  :HeartThrob:

Luk 20:38   He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."  :dsunny: You included this

That even Paul who was Saul at the time of the crucification knew that Jesus died for the likes of him.

Rom 5:6   You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

Jesus bares no distinction between the living and the dead either.  :HeartThrob:

Jhn 12:32   And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

I will include the following because it has really helped me understand.  :friendstu:

1Cr 2:11-14   For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.  What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

The person without the Spirit cannot understand spiritual concepts. I do not believe that they even realize that they have their very own spirit.  :HeartThrob:

But where did this spirit come from? Is it a good or bad spirit Is it active or is it benign?  :dontknow:

Well before we let Paul answer, it is important to note that any Spiritual revelation has been graciously given us. Can anybody receive such insight? Thankfully, YES  :HeartThrob:

This is not saying that they have, just that they can.

1Cr 3:11-15   For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. (The Foundation can never be destroyed)  :HeartThrob:

Every single person has a foundation in Christ, a tiny little light of truth that will never be quenched. Speaking for myself, I received knowledge by the Spirit in Fathers Time, not mine. My little light shone a little brighter and what was given was understood, There was no battle, trying to make things fit as I was always doing before.

I write all this now as I am 100% sure that Father could reveal himself to all of humanity in a single instance and all the baggage that we all carry that is unneeded would just vanish. Gone forever. Paul makes it very clear that no other foundation than Christ can ever be laid.

This ties everything together. We all have a spirit whose foundation is in Christ. It matters little if one has received a lot of Spiritual understanding or little, even none. That little spiritual light is always burning, even following the death of the physical body. Christ will call ALL of his little lights home to him. YAY!!!!!!!    :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

Until then, we must forgo the physical eyes and use our Spiritual ones and see things as they really are rather than they appear. We are all one in Father's love. Not every little light is burning with the same Spiritual understanding as others. We should NEVER choose only to see what isn't, but ALWAYS what is; a little spirit sometimes lost and very alone seeking LOVE  :HeartThrob: regardless what the physical host thinks. If we chose to nurture that little spirit with the LOVE we have been given, their little light will burn a little brighter.   :HeartThrob:

So will ours!!  :HeartThrob:

So sorry for being so long winded, sometimes I get on a roll  :girlheart:

Love Julie

[rosered]

Not long winded Julie , I loved what you said , and agree to an extent ,


but I know I was dead to God at one time [spiritually  dead] fulfilling the lusts of my flesh  ,


and its was Jesus Christ who gave me Life  :girlheart:   we are awakened    unto righteousness , not of ourselves  , but its is HIM , His gift of Himself to us , showing mercy  and grace , to Him alone  be all  the glory !!


  I know that also Iwas born again of His Spirit and truth , these things being revealed  were off limits to me , as one dead , but it was the Lord Himself whom gave the hunger and desire to   search and see Him in all His glory !!   


I hope you can see what I am delaring to you .


   if I would have died without knowing this , I know we ALL  will still be saved , if you know or dont know , its all still Gods !!He changes us ....


AND I AGREE WITH YOU GOD IS THAT MERCIFUL  , just and true , yes I shouted out that part !   because I am in total agreement with you    God is that Good !!  great and awesome

  but I think its  only Jesus whom is alive to GOD /FATHER  = THEY ARE ONE  right now at this time and all those gathered into Him  , only because the scriptures testify of this truth  :girlheart:

  Here is the  main one to me  , only as I see it  , just consider what is being said here .

Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 


1Cr 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.   [feet  to me mean teaching and  to conquer ] have victory over


1Cr 15:26   The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 


1Cr 15:27   For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.  


1Cr 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.       what is under Him and His authority and what is Found in Him , as those gathered into His own Body / true church .

Also here is what I meant as being dead to God spiritually because I walked according to the lust of the flesh and was at war against the Spirit   of the Living God .


1Pe 4:1 ¶ Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 


1Pe 4:2   That he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.  
1Pe 4:3   For the time past of [our] life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 
1Pe 4:4   Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with [them] to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of [you]: 


1Pe 4:5   Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 


1Pe 4:6   For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 


1Pe 4:7 ¶ But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 


1Pe 4:8   And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.    :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:

All very good thoughts, but  :doh:

[anna274]

How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:

All very good thoughts, but  :doh:

Micah, I apologize for my part in "getting here"... but I just couldn't resist replying to one of those "very good thoughts" ...  should have just taken the "thought" directly to the new thread "Quotes to Ponder"...   

[rosered]

How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:

All very good thoughts, but  :doh:

I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all  connected  , there is" One Word "and its a  vast wealth of Knowledge  of our Lord  as streams of thoughts connect to one another   from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ  the Living water ]   many voices from above  :winkgrin:

[JulieTang84]

Rosered said with much Love :HeartThrob: 

but I know I was dead to God at one time [spiritually  dead] fulfilling the lusts of my flesh  ,

Rosered,  :friendstu: we differ just a little on just one point.  :HeartThrob:

You said: "I was dead to God," but I think you meant: "God was dead to me"

As the following vs we have both used today clearly states no one is dead to Father.

Luk 20:38    For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Pure schematics I am sure and I am sure we are both full of love for each other  :HeartThrob:

Your posts have been wonderful and I have truly appreciated them,

Thank you :HeartThrob:
Love Julie

[rosered]

 Feeling the  same here girleen  :girlheart:

[micah7:9]

How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:

All very good thoughts, but  :doh:

I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all  connected  , there is" One Word "and its a  vast wealth of Knowledge  of our Lord  as steams of thoughts connect to one another   from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ  the Living water ]   many voices from above  :winkgrin:

I realize that it is all connected and love is the glue.
Psa. 119: 160 The sum of Your word is truth,
And all of Your righteous ordinances are > eonian.

But in my opinion, and as much as I find the word "context" somewhat out of place in discussing the Bible, when a post is offered the least one can do is stay within the realm[context] of the query. Again only my opinion. How we got from Gen. 4 to where we did just caused me to wonder
HeartThrob:
And again all the posts, I, and I am sure many, found a good heart and good ground for growth. :dsunny:

[rosered]

How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:

All very good thoughts, but  :doh:

I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all  connected  , there is" One Word "and its a  vast wealth of Knowledge  of our Lord  as streams of thoughts connect to one another   from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ  the Living water ]   many voices from above  :winkgrin:

I realize that it is all connected and love is the glue.
Psa. 119: 160 The sum of Your word is truth,
And all of Your righteous ordinances are > eonian.

But in my opinion, and as much as I find the word "context" somewhat out of place in discussing the Bible, when a post is offered the least one can do is stay within the realm[context] of the query. Again only my opinion. How we got from Gen. 4 to where we did just caused me to wonder
HeartThrob:
And again all the posts, I, and I am sure many, found a good heart and good ground for growth. :dsunny:

Thanks for the understanding Bro M !!

[JulieTang84]

Julie said:
"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed."


So sorry Micah that I have only found the time to respond in the manner your questions deserve.  :friendstu:

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WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:

I will answer this on several fronts:
Luk 20:38   He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."   

Clearly, if no one is dead to Father, then our concept of death is seriously flawed. (Thank Goodness)  :HeartThrob:

I say also that death as we know it is a result of sin, which of course brings about our concept of death.

But seriously, as a child we believe we will live forever. As we grow older we begin to hope that we make it to a certain age. Some people are blessed with an active alert life right until the end and are not ready to go. Not that they fear death, but they are not finished. Granted others are simply warn down after constant struggle and let life go. Not for any other reason than death sounds welcoming.

Cars are not designed to kill people are they, but kill people they do. Micah, I do not think that one can fault Father for a "bump" in his plan, as we were designed to live forever and Adam and Eve would be still alive "physically" IF they had not sinned. Well of course, we know it was Fathers Plan for the "Fall of Man." It is therefore unsound reasoning to suggest Father had to make "us" die because he could NOT design a human that could live forever.  :HeartThrob:

Not saying that you even suggested that.  :friendstu:


And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."

And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."

I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty,  He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of?  :doh:

Of course Father knew about "all of this"  :HeartThrob: Father knows every sing atom, every proton and neutron of every atom. He also knows every part of every cell in a single stand of hair. All of this has been well planned and in effect since before time.  :friendstu:

This simply means that we need not worry about a single thing. Father knows everything, and Jesus taught us to pray for Fathers "Will" to be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven. This is not saying that Fathers "will" is not being done; rather, it is NOT being done as it "IS" in Heaven.  :HeartThrob:

It will be bro, it will be one day soon.  :HeartThrob:

Love Julie