I am not sure(even tho I searched) where the "assumption of" about Cain's wife is, but it sure got my attention and thought so I will just offer this for picking through.
It may also give some insight, if not only thought, to Gen. 6 and the "sons of God saw the daughters of men."
For me, even though we have what I call the "introduction or narrative" to the Bible
Genesis 1.
What we have established what we believe, as I believe also where Paul began is Gen. 2:4 and 7 (ICor: 15:45 &47)
Gen. 1 thru Gen. 2:3 is what God-Elohim spoke, and the much used Gen. 1:26-27
I suggest causes problems in our understanding. These are only my thoughts and suggestions, not an opinion.
CLT 4 Now the human knew `Eve his wife. She became |pregnant
and gave |birth `to Cain,* |saying: I have acquired a man `through
Yahweh. 2 Then she |proceeded to give birth `to his brother `Abel.*
Abel |became a shepherd| of the flock, while Cain bwas serving the ground.
3 And it came to |be fat the end of a year's days ***years: a year (as a revolution of time): - + whole age, X long, + old, year (X -ly).
KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass
YLT Gen 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, `I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
Gen 4:2 and she addeth to bear his brother, even Abel. And Abel is feeding a flock, and Cain hath been servant of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And it cometh to pass at the end of days
Now certainly we could assume and speculate, but I believe and suggest that in the process of time, in the end of days, and the end of a years day that Eve gave birth after, Cain and Abel;
****which I believe and suggest were twins, as we deal with 2 conceived individuals of same mind, to please the Lord.
We know that woman/females are not mentioned until Deborah, I suggest that Eve gave birth to females during that time, before Cain murdered/slew/slain his brother Abel. Also to note, it is our culture of thinking that introduced(with medical influence) that what we call incest is wrong. Not so in the "process of time." imo
But in that "time" there was a command or a charging (from the narrative of Gen. 1 to reproduce) one can certainly find and see where Cain could know his wife(a woman H802) Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; ..... not surprising we also find the blood line and the generations of Cain cease.
Just an offering. :HeartThrob:
2Ti 3:16 every Writing is God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that is in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be fitted--for every good work having been completed.
That's what I was saying when we were talking about the so called "other people," that Adam and Eve had a bunch of kids that we don't read about specifically in scripture, but if you believe the Genesis account is literal, then the only women around for Cain to hook up with were his sisters, right?
Bible says Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters. The genetic code was at it's ultimate with Adam and Eve so what we call "inbreeding" today was not so back then when the genetic pool was vast. It is only as the gene pool has been narrowed that problems began to occur with greater frequency, thus the prohibition of marrying close kin. Just as "pure bred" dogs and cats are not as healthy as mutts. Since people use the word purebred rather than inbred.
Englands royal family has had a tough time for awhile with all the brother/aunt/sis/brother/uncle/cousin stuff going om.
The gene pool is getting smaller all the time and more and more problems are occuring wordwide. If Jesus tarries another thousand years or so, the human race will be on it's last legs physically. IMO :Peace2:
Right
"The genetic code was at it's ultimate with Adam and Eve so what we call "inbreeding" today was not so back then when the genetic pool was vast. "
".. back then when the genetic pool was vast."
The pool was "vast" in the "beginning" and now thousands of years later with all the millions of people produced is smaller? It don't compute.
" thus the prohibition of marrying close kin." That was a law established by men, I am not advocating this " inbreeding" as you call it, all I am is suggesting is where/how Cain knew his wife. I did state that this lineage or "inbreeding," ceased, at least in the Bible, but as I suggested perhaps an insight to Gen.6.
" If Jesus tarries another thousand years or so, the human race will be on it's last legs physically. IMO :Peace2:"
Then, if that is true, the whole plan of the Creator and His creation, in your opinion, is what, a mess? Now I am not attempting to cause discord, but somehow, to me saying "the human race is on it's last legs," means the Lord and Creator lost His purpose somewhere along the way. In my opinion, nothing is off course, everything is going the way He planned.
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
I'm 68 so I am right around the corner to being old, but you are saying " but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this? I mean come on He knows the number of hairs on each head from Adam on and you say, " the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
"Seeing his(man) days are determined, the number of his(man) months are with thee(the Lord), thou (the Lord)has appointed his(man) bounds and cannot pass;" Job.14:5
And you don't consider that HE knows all this feeble stuff? :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Well, you're four years ahead of me old man. Who said this isn't all in the plan?
"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 04:48:41 AM
Well, you're four years ahead of me old man. Who said this isn't all in the plan?
"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)
"Who said this isn't all in the plan? "
You did, " " but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
With that thought, it seems that is what you said. If "the human race is getting........" the human race can't get no where with out the finger, word, whisper of the Lord. So the human race is getting no more corrupt than the Master wills it to be...tho it may seem like it to such a small element as the human race, in it's thinking anyway. If He ain't at the helm......we done! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
Brother, you're assuming that's what I said, but I didn't. Like I said...
"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
Hey guys, :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.
:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.
So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.
Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 05:49:47 AM
Brother, you're assuming that's what I said, but I didn't. Like I said...
"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)
You said, "Posted by: Tom
« on: Today at 03:49:34 AM » Insert Quote
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11),
but I think the human race
is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago,
but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption."
And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness
means that HE does not KNOW this? I mean come on He knows the number of hairs on each head from Adam on and you say, " the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
"Seeing his(man) days are determined, the number of his(man) months are with thee(the Lord), thou (the Lord)has appointed his(man) bounds and cannot pass;" Job.14:5
And you don't consider that HE knows all this feeble stuff?
O well that's what I said :sigh:
Quote from: JulieTang84 on August 10, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
Hey guys, :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.
:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.
So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.
Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:
And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."
And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."
I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty, He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of? :doh:
Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen? Animals become extinct (average 3 species) every day. Man is degenerating. All the result of a sin cursed world. Everything is part of God's plan and knowledge. :Peace2:
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 10, 2013, 07:46:11 AM
Quote from: JulieTang84 on August 10, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
Hey guys, :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.
:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.
So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.
Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:
And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."
And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."
I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty, He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of? :doh:
I don't have time to go into this right now because I have to get my handicapped sister ready for the day, but don't give up on the Lord, bro. I don't know why you keep assuming that he doesn't know what's going on, but I think Romans 11:36 says it all. It says everything comes out of God; is being operated through his will; and literally goes back into God. Here is a link to the Concordant teachings which I agree with. http://concordant.org/about/special_truths.html
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Quote from: ded2daworld on August 10, 2013, 03:01:46 PM
Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen? Animals become extinct (average 3 species) every day. Man is degenerating. All the result of a sin cursed world. Everything is part of God's plan and knowledge. :Peace2:
Where did anyone get the idea that would even come close or even try to propose that I,
"Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening
that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen?"(Ded)
Where have I said anything like that thought? IF I have it has to have been a typed mistake. I have known for quite some time that
ALL EVERYTHING did, is, will happen is because He desires, wants and has purpose for it.
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 10, 2013, 07:46:11 AM
Quote from: JulieTang84 on August 10, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.
Hey guys, :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.
:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.
So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.
Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:
And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."
And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."
I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty, He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of? :doh:
Micah,
I know why you said this and where you are coming from. :dsunny:
CHB
Micah you said, "And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this?"
I understand where you're coming from too, bro, but I never said or meant to imply that God is unaware of or not in control of what's happening.
do not eat from that tree lest ye die. ADAM IS DYING!...HUMANS ARE DYING...A DYING CREATURE...
thus He says LOOK TO ME ALL YE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BE SAVED!!!!!
the animals,the fish of the sea and the birds of the air are dying!!
BUT GOD WILL DESTROY THOSE WHO ARE DESTROYING THE EARTH.......
I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW...........
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
Micah you said, "And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this?"
I understand where you're coming from too, bro, but I never said or meant to imply that God is unaware of or not in control of what's happening.
:HeartThrob: :dsunny: :gimmefive:
My point Micah is no one is dead to Father :HeartThrob:
Jhn 11:6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
Jhn 11:7 Then after that saith he to [his] disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
Jhn 11:8 [His] disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Jhn 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jhn 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Jhn 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.
Love julie :HeartThrob:
Quote from: JulieTang84 on August 10, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
My point Micah is no one is dead to Father :HeartThrob:
Jhn 11:6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
Jhn 11:7 Then after that saith he to [his] disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
Jhn 11:8 [His] disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Jhn 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jhn 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Jhn 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.
Love julie :HeartThrob:
"Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.
Love julie "
I don't understand.
John 11:26 And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?"(CLT)
Lazarus died, Jesus brought him back, but then Lazarus died.
"Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies...."
Can you elaborate?
And "Remember always, we were not designed to die....." Julie
Can you elaborate?Gen 2:17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
:HeartThrob: This will be short Micah as I am in a waiting room.
I believe we spend a great part of out lives trying to find who we really are. Who we we meant to be.
I am NOT talking physical death but Spiritual death. The spirit of love cannot ever die.
:dsunny: We will shine forever.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
QuoteMy point Micah is no one is dead to Father
I usually dont post alot these days , but read often on the Tent
and Julie , I just want you to consider something here , that maybe you have not before , that helps fit many other scriptures especially those written by Pauls experience in the New Testament .
when we are born in the world first by our mothers womb , we are born of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ,
the reason being why Jesus told Nicodemus , you must be born again in John 4
I do not believe anyone is alive to the Father , except Jesus Christ , His son and those found hidden in him , those sons of God are revealed by the very nature that is Christ
Jesus was sent into the world
to become the Lord /master of the dead and the living , they were as dead spiritually to God , because the the curse eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil
God is only the God of the LIVING , Jeus own word here in These verses , making it facts to me
and there is no name under heaven by which we must be saved , that is JESUS CHRIST , we are all hid in the living son , till the revealing of the sons of God come forth out of Christ /annoited Jesus /salavation
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ,
the Son of the living God.
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead
, but of the living. Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be
the Christ, the Son of God. Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead,
but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead,
but of the living: for all live unto him.
a clue being Jesus saying make the tree good and its fruit good or make it corrupt and its fruit corrupt
A tree [US all being as trees walking ] is KNOWN by its fruit
the fruit of Life /Spirit of Life [tree of Life =JESUS ] or the tree of knowledge of good and evil , the evil brings forth fruit unto death as cain is known by ... yet the good /abel blood cries from the ground is chosen to produce fruit to God , the salvage , the another seed to take its place , it was Seth/compensation as the old was told Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she],
hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. but it is Christ [the annoited ] now as we all know can endure all things who strengthens us , He is within us , to be revealed to the world , this seed /Word of God is able to endure the fire , for the Holy Spirity and Fire is what Jesus come to ignight during the baptism [in Luke 12 ;49 came to send fire on the earth , this division is the seperating the corrupt from the HOLY ! to burn away the dross of corrutption of mans works and establish the works of God in SPIRIT AND TRUTH .
This also as a metaphor as being hot or cold , not the lukewarm state of the lacodiean church , bearing both kinds of fruit , cain a man from the Lord and Abel a spirit /breath
the man of sin and breath of God , as the seed of Christ is planted in the hearts of mankind
you are the temple of the Living God and the Kingdom of God is within you .
just some thoughts to consider , as I have over the years
:girlheart:
Micah, check out the vid in the link. It was produced by creation scientists to show evidence of the human genome degenerating which is actuallly the best evidence that evolution does not make sense.
Genetic Mutation - Magnificent Modifier or Mega Meltdown?
http://creation.com/media-center?fileID=9IfV5iRQbIU
Quote from: rosered on August 10, 2013, 08:42:17 PM
QuoteMy point Micah is no one is dead to Father
I usually dont post alot these days , but read often on the Tent
and Julie , I just want you to consider something here , that maybe you have not before , that helps fit many other scriptures especially those written by Pauls experience in the New Testament .
when we are born in the world first by our mothers womb , we are born of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ,
the reason being why Jesus told Nicodemus , you must be born again in John 4
I do not believe anyone is alive to the Father , except Jesus Christ , His son and those found hidden in him , those sons of God are revealed by the very nature that is Christ
Jesus was sent into the world to become the Lord /master of the dead and the living , they were as dead spiritually to God , because the the curse eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil
God is only the God of the LIVING , Jeus own word here in These verses , making it facts to me
and there is no name under heaven by which we must be saved , that is JESUS CHRIST , we are all hid in the living son , till the revealing of the sons of God come forth out of Christ /annoited Jesus /salavation
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
a clue being Jesus saying make the tree good and its fruit good or make it corrupt and its fruit corrupt
A tree [US all being as trees walking ] is KNOWN by its fruit
the fruit of Life /Spirit of Life [tree of Life =JESUS ] or the tree of knowledge of good and evil , the evil brings forth fruit unto death as cain is known by ... yet the good /abel blood cries from the ground is chosen to produce fruit to God , the salvage , the another seed to take its place , it was Seth/compensation as the old was told Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. but it is Christ [the annoited ] now as we all know can endure all things who strengthens us , He is within us , to be revealed to the world , this seed /Word of God is able to endure the fire , for the Holy Spirity and Fire is what Jesus come to ignight during the baptism [in Luke 12 ;49 came to send fire on the earth , this division is the seperating the corrupt from the HOLY ! to burn away the dross of corrutption of mans works and establish the works of God in SPIRIT AND TRUTH .
This also as a metaphor as being hot or cold , not the lukewarm state of the lacodiean church , bearing both kinds of fruit , cain a man from the Lord and Abel a spirit /breath
the man of sin and breath of God , as the seed of Christ is planted in the hearts of mankind
you are the temple of the Living God and the Kingdom of God is within you .
just some thoughts to consider , as I have over the years
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Thank you so much, Rosered, you have provided many Scripturally sound words that speak to my hungry mind and heart... so much to ponder -- so many words to help us grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ--Savior of all men, especially those who believe. I'm reminded of Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. May His peace, joy, love, grace, mercy, LIGHT shine in your mind and heart.
QuoteThank you so much, Rosered, you have provided many Scripturally sound words that speak to my hungry mind and heart... so much to ponder -- so many words to help us grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ--Savior of all men, especially those who believe. I'm reminded of Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. May His peace, joy, love, grace, mercy, LIGHT shine in your mind and heart.
And to yours and all as well sister Anna !! I was reminded of Peter son of Barjonas after your post ! and Jesus telling him flesh and blood did not reveal this to him , but the Father / SPIRIT letting him know , by hearing what the Spirit is saying , that Jesus Christ is the Son of God !! :girlheart: his measure of faith given , that wouls be increased by God !! His peace He gives us not as the world gives peace ! Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Jhn 14:12 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].
Jhn 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jhn 14:19 ¶ Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Jhn 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Jhn 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jhn 14:22 Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot, Lord,
how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jhn 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. :HeartThrob:
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Jhn 14:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you.
Jhn 14:26
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Jhn 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away,
and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Jhn 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
the Spirit of ONENESS gathered into Christ and the Father !!
Quote from: Tom on August 10, 2013, 08:57:36 PM
Micah, check out the vid in the link. It was produced by creation scientists to show evidence of the human genome degenerating which is actuallly the best evidence that evolution does not make sense.
Genetic Mutation - Magnificent Modifier or Mega Meltdown?
http://creation.com/media-center?fileID=9IfV5iRQbIU
Evolution does not make sense......Amen and Amen! :dsunny:
RoseRed please know that your post was recieved with the love :HeartThrob: in which it was given.
Father has taught me to look past what is understood and seek what is in Love :HeartThrob:
This is what I have been given to understand..... :friendstu:
That all are "alive" to Father :HeartThrob:
Luk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." :dsunny: You included this
That even Paul who was Saul at the time of the crucification knew that Jesus died for the likes of him.
Rom 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.
Jesus bares no distinction between the living and the dead either. :HeartThrob:
Jhn 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
I will include the following because it has really helped me understand. :friendstu:
1Cr 2:11-14 For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The person without the Spirit cannot understand spiritual concepts. I do not believe that they even realize that they have their very own spirit. :HeartThrob:
But where did this spirit come from? Is it a good or bad spirit Is it active or is it benign? :dontknow:
Well before we let Paul answer, it is important to note that any Spiritual revelation has been graciously given us. Can anybody receive such insight? Thankfully, YES :HeartThrob:
This is not saying that they have, just that they can.
1Cr 3:11-15 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. (The Foundation can never be destroyed) :HeartThrob:
Every single person has a foundation in Christ, a tiny little light of truth that will never be quenched. Speaking for myself, I received knowledge by the Spirit in Fathers Time, not mine. My little light shone a little brighter and what was given was understood, There was no battle, trying to make things fit as I was always doing before.
I write all this now as I am 100% sure that Father could reveal himself to all of humanity in a single instance and all the baggage that we all carry that is unneeded would just vanish. Gone forever. Paul makes it very clear that no other foundation than Christ can ever be laid.
This ties everything together. We all have a spirit whose foundation is in Christ. It matters little if one has received a lot of Spiritual understanding or little, even none. That little spiritual light is always burning, even following the death of the physical body. Christ will call ALL of his little lights home to him. YAY!!!!!!! :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Until then, we must forgo the physical eyes and use our Spiritual ones and see things as they really are rather than they appear. We are all one in Father's love. Not every little light is burning with the same Spiritual understanding as others. We should NEVER choose only to see what isn't, but ALWAYS what is; a little spirit sometimes lost and very alone seeking LOVE :HeartThrob: regardless what the physical host thinks. If we chose to nurture that little spirit with the LOVE we have been given, their little light will burn a little brighter. :HeartThrob:
So will ours!! :HeartThrob:
So sorry for being so long winded, sometimes I get on a roll :girlheart:
Love Julie
Not long winded Julie , I loved what you said , and agree to an extent ,
but I know I was dead to God at one time [spiritually dead] fulfilling the lusts of my flesh ,
and its was Jesus Christ who gave me Life :girlheart: we are awakened unto righteousness , not of ourselves , but its is HIM , His gift of Himself to us , showing mercy and grace , to Him alone be all the glory !!
I know that also Iwas born again of His Spirit and truth , these things being revealed were off limits to me , as one dead , but it was the Lord Himself whom gave the hunger and desire to search and see Him in all His glory !!
I hope you can see what I am delaring to you .
if I would have died without knowing this , I know we ALL will still be saved , if you know or dont know , its all still Gods !!He changes us ....
AND I AGREE WITH YOU GOD IS THAT MERCIFUL , just and true , yes I shouted out that part ! because I am in total agreement with you God is that Good !! great and awesome
but I think its only Jesus whom is alive to GOD /FATHER = THEY ARE ONE right now at this time and all those gathered into Him , only because the scriptures testify of this truth :girlheart:
Here is the main one to me , only as I see it , just consider what is being said here .
Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Cr 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [feet to me mean teaching and to conquer ] have victory over
1Cr 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
1Cr 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. what is under Him and His authority and what is Found in Him , as those gathered into His own Body / true church .
Also here is what I meant as being dead to God spiritually because I walked according to the lust of the flesh and was at war against the Spirit of the Living God .
1Pe 4:1 ¶ Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3 For the time past of [our] life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with [them] to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of [you]:
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe 4:7 ¶ But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. :HeartThrob:
How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:
All very good thoughts, but :doh:
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 11, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:
All very good thoughts, but :doh:
Micah, I apologize for my part in "getting here"... but I just couldn't resist replying to one of those "very good thoughts" ... should have just taken the "thought" directly to the new thread "Quotes to Ponder"...
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 11, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:
All very good thoughts, but :doh:
I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all connected , there is" One Word "and its a vast wealth of Knowledge of our Lord as streams of thoughts connect to one another from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ the Living water ] many voices from above :winkgrin:
Rosered said with much Love :HeartThrob:
Quotebut I know I was dead to God at one time [spiritually dead] fulfilling the lusts of my flesh ,
Rosered, :friendstu: we differ just a little on just one point. :HeartThrob:
You said: "I was dead to God," but I think you meant: "God was dead to me"
As the following vs we have both used today clearly states no one is dead to Father.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Pure schematics I am sure and I am sure we are both full of love for each other :HeartThrob:
Your posts have been wonderful and I have truly appreciated them,
Thank you :HeartThrob:
Love Julie
Feeling the same here girleen :girlheart:
Quote from: rosered on August 11, 2013, 02:47:54 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 11, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:
All very good thoughts, but :doh:
I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all connected , there is" One Word "and its a vast wealth of Knowledge of our Lord as steams of thoughts connect to one another from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ the Living water ] many voices from above :winkgrin:
I realize that it is all connected and love is the glue.
Psa. 119: 160 The sum of Your word is truth,
And all of Your righteous ordinances are > eonian.
But in my opinion, and as much as I find the word "context" somewhat out of place in discussing the Bible, when a post is offered the least one can do is stay within the realm[context] of the query. Again only my opinion. How we got from Gen. 4 to where we did just caused me to wonder
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And again all the posts, I, and I am sure many, found a good heart and good ground for growth. :dsunny:
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 11, 2013, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: rosered on August 11, 2013, 02:47:54 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 11, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
How did this thread get here? I looked back and I just don't know. :sigh:
All very good thoughts, but :doh:
I am sorry too Micah ,
but it is all connected , there is" One Word "and its a vast wealth of Knowledge of our Lord as streams of thoughts connect to one another from the well spring of Life [Jesus Christ the Living water ] many voices from above :winkgrin:
I realize that it is all connected and love is the glue.
Psa. 119: 160 The sum of Your word is truth,
And all of Your righteous ordinances are > eonian.
But in my opinion, and as much as I find the word "context" somewhat out of place in discussing the Bible, when a post is offered the least one can do is stay within the realm[context] of the query. Again only my opinion. How we got from Gen. 4 to where we did just caused me to wonder
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And again all the posts, I, and I am sure many, found a good heart and good ground for growth. :dsunny:
Thanks for the understanding Bro M !!
Julie said:
"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed."
So sorry Micah that I have only found the time to respond in the manner your questions deserve. :friendstu:
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WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:
I will answer this on several fronts:
Luk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."
Clearly, if no one is dead to Father, then our concept of death is seriously flawed. (Thank Goodness) :HeartThrob:
I say also that death as we know it is a result of sin, which of course brings about our concept of death.
But seriously, as a child we believe we will live forever. As we grow older we begin to hope that we make it to a certain age. Some people are blessed with an active alert life right until the end and are not ready to go. Not that they fear death, but they are not finished. Granted others are simply warn down after constant struggle and let life go. Not for any other reason than death sounds welcoming.
Cars are not designed to kill people are they, but kill people they do. Micah, I do not think that one can fault Father for a "bump" in his plan, as we were designed to live forever and Adam and Eve would be still alive "physically" IF they had not sinned. Well of course, we know it was Fathers Plan for the "Fall of Man." It is therefore unsound reasoning to suggest Father had to make "us" die because he could NOT design a human that could live forever. :HeartThrob:
Not saying that you even suggested that. :friendstu:
And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."
And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."
I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty, He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of? :doh:
Of course Father knew about "all of this" :HeartThrob: Father knows every sing atom, every proton and neutron of every atom. He also knows every part of every cell in a single stand of hair. All of this has been well planned and in effect since before time. :friendstu:
This simply means that we need not worry about a single thing. Father knows everything, and Jesus taught us to pray for Fathers "Will" to be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven. This is not saying that Fathers "will" is not being done; rather, it is NOT being done as it "IS" in Heaven. :HeartThrob:
It will be bro, it will be one day soon. :HeartThrob:
Love Julie