Gen. 4

[micah7:9]

I am not sure(even tho I searched) where the "assumption of" about Cain's wife is, but it sure got my attention and thought so I will just offer this for picking through.
It may also give some insight, if not only thought, to Gen. 6 and the "sons of God saw the daughters of men."
For me, even though we have what I call the "introduction or narrative" to the Bible
Genesis 1.
What we have established what we believe, as I believe also where Paul began is Gen. 2:4 and 7 (ICor: 15:45 &47)
Gen. 1 thru Gen. 2:3 is what God-Elohim spoke, and the much used Gen. 1:26-27
I suggest causes problems in our understanding. These are only my thoughts and suggestions, not an opinion.

CLT 4 Now the human knew `Eve his wife.  She became |pregnant
and gave |birth `to Cain,*  |saying: I have acquired a man `through
Yahweh. 2 Then she |proceeded to give birth `to his brother `Abel.*
Abel |became a shepherd| of the flock, while Cain bwas serving the ground.
3 And it came to |be fat the end of a year's days ***years:  a year (as a revolution of time): -  + whole age, X long, + old, year (X -ly).

KJV Gen 4:1  And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2  And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3  And in process of time it came to pass

YLT Gen 4:1  And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, `I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
Gen 4:2  and she addeth to bear his brother, even Abel. And Abel is feeding a flock, and Cain hath been servant of the ground.
Gen 4:3  And it cometh to pass at the end of days

Now certainly we could assume and speculate, but I believe and suggest that in the process of time, in the end of days, and the end of a years day that Eve gave birth after, Cain and Abel;
****which I believe and suggest were twins, as we deal with 2 conceived individuals of same mind, to please the Lord.
We know that woman/females are not mentioned until Deborah, I suggest that Eve gave birth to females during that time, before Cain murdered/slew/slain his brother Abel. Also to note, it is our culture of thinking that introduced(with medical influence) that what we call incest is wrong.  Not so in the "process of time." imo
But in that "time" there was  a command or a charging (from the narrative of Gen. 1 to reproduce)  one can certainly find and see where Cain could know his wife(a woman H802) Gen 4:17  And Cain knew his wife; ..... not surprising we also find the blood line and the generations of Cain cease.

Just an offering.  :HeartThrob:
2Ti 3:16  every Writing is God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that is in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17  that the man of God may be fitted--for every good work having been completed.

[Tom]

That's what I was saying when we were talking about the so called "other people," that Adam and Eve had a bunch of kids that we don't read about specifically in scripture, but if you believe the Genesis account is literal, then the only women around for Cain to hook up with were his sisters, right?

[ded2daworld]

Bible says Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters. The genetic code was at it's ultimate with Adam and Eve so what we call "inbreeding" today was not so back then when the genetic pool was vast. It is only as the gene pool has been narrowed that problems began to occur with greater frequency, thus the prohibition of marrying close kin. Just as "pure bred" dogs and cats are not as healthy as mutts. Since people use the word purebred rather than inbred.
Englands royal family has had a tough time for awhile with all the brother/aunt/sis/brother/uncle/cousin stuff going om.

The gene pool is getting smaller all the time and more and more problems are occuring wordwide. If Jesus tarries another thousand years or so, the human race will be on it's last legs physically. IMO  :Peace2:

[Tom]

Right

[micah7:9]

"The genetic code was at it's ultimate with Adam and Eve so what we call "inbreeding" today was not so back then when the genetic pool was vast. "
".. back then when the genetic pool was vast." 
The pool was "vast" in the "beginning" and now thousands of years later with all the millions of people produced is smaller?  It don't compute.

" thus the prohibition of marrying close kin." That was a law established by men, I am not advocating this " inbreeding" as you call it, all I am is suggesting is where/how Cain knew his wife. I did state that this lineage or "inbreeding," ceased, at least in the Bible, but as I suggested perhaps an insight to Gen.6.

" If Jesus tarries another thousand years or so, the human race will be on it's last legs physically. IMO  :Peace2:"

Then, if that is true, the whole plan of the Creator and His creation, in your opinion, is what, a mess? Now I am not attempting to cause discord, but somehow, to me saying "the human race is on it's last legs," means the Lord and Creator lost His purpose somewhere along the way. In my opinion, nothing is off course, everything is going  the way He planned.

[Tom]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

[micah7:9]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

I'm 68 so I am right around the corner to being old, but you are saying " but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this? I mean come on He knows the number of hairs on each head from Adam on and you say, " the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
"Seeing his(man) days are determined, the number of his(man) months are with thee(the Lord), thou (the Lord)has appointed his(man) bounds and cannot pass;" Job.14:5
And you don't consider that HE knows all this feeble stuff? :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[Tom]

Well, you're four years ahead of me old man. Who said this isn't all in the plan?

"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)

[micah7:9]

Well, you're four years ahead of me old man. Who said this isn't all in the plan?

"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)

"Who said this isn't all in the plan? "
You did, " " but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."

With that thought, it seems that is what you said. If "the human race is getting........" the human race can't get no where with out the finger, word, whisper of the Lord. So the human race is getting no more corrupt than the Master wills it to be...tho it may seem like it to such a small element as the human race, in it's thinking anyway. If He ain't at the helm......we done! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[Tom]

Brother, you're assuming that's what I said, but I didn't. Like I said...

"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)

[JulieTang84]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

Hey guys,  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:


Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.

:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.

So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.

Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love  :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.

Love Julie :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

Brother, you're assuming that's what I said, but I didn't. Like I said...

"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)

You said, "Posted by: Tom
« on: Today at 03:49:34 AM » Insert Quote
God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption."

And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this? I mean come on He knows the number of hairs on each head from Adam on and you say, " the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated."
"Seeing his(man) days are determined, the number of his(man) months are with thee(the Lord), thou (the Lord)has appointed his(man) bounds and cannot pass;" Job.14:5
And you don't consider that HE knows all this feeble stuff?

O well that's what I said :sigh:

[micah7:9]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

Hey guys,  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:


Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.

:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.

So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.

Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love  :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.

Love Julie :HeartThrob:

"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:

And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."

And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."

I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty,  He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of?  :doh:

[ded2daworld]

Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen? Animals become extinct (average 3 species) every day. Man is degenerating. All the result of a sin cursed world. Everything is part of God's plan and knowledge. :Peace2:

[Tom]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

Hey guys,  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:


Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.

:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.

So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.

Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love  :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.

Love Julie :HeartThrob:

"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:

And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."

And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."

I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty,  He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of?  :doh:

I don't have time to go into this right now because I have to get my handicapped sister ready for the day, but don't give up on the Lord, bro. I don't know why you keep assuming that he doesn't know what's going on, but I think Romans 11:36 says it all. It says everything comes out of God; is being operated through his will; and literally goes back into God. Here is a link to the Concordant teachings which I agree with. http://concordant.org/about/special_truths.html

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[micah7:9]

Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen? Animals become extinct (average 3 species) every day. Man is degenerating. All the result of a sin cursed world. Everything is part of God's plan and knowledge. :Peace2:

Where did anyone get the idea that would even come close or even try to propose that I,

"Micah- why do you think that because things have happened and are happening that it isn't all part of God's plan or he didn't know things would happen?"(Ded)

Where have I said anything like that thought? IF I have it has to have been a typed mistake. I have known for quite some time that ALL EVERYTHING did, is, will happen is because He desires, wants and has purpose for it.

[CHB]

God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11), but I think the human race is getting more corrupt through degenerating mutations in the gene pool due to the consequence of sin being perpetuated. Medical science is keeping folks alive longer than a few years ago, but that doesn't mean they're really healthy. I'm living in Florida with the old folks because I'm one of them now, and most of them are looking pretty feeble. When our bodies are changed in "the twinkle of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), we'll be free of the corruption.

Hey guys,  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:


Before we talk to harshly about Father's orchestrated gene pool, I would like to offer another possibility.

:dsunny:
I think both history and science will support this. We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past. We know that Adam and Eve lived for many hundreds of years, as did many following generations.

So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals.

Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed. Life is often a struggle just putting food on the table, sometimes even breathing. But whatever sin has destroyed, Love  :HeartThrob: can and will replace. One day, maybe sooner than many think.

Love Julie :HeartThrob:

"Remember always, we were not designed to die and neither are we programmed." WHAT? Not designed to die? I am aghast, the Creator had a bump in His plan? Man was not "designed" to die, I protest. :HeartThrob:

And we know this how? We know that HUGE animals roamed the Earth in times long since past."

And where is this coming from? "So what changed? The Oxygen level has decreased significantly and as a result LIFE has taken a hit in all area's including both plants and animals."

I am about ready to give up on the Lord Almighty,  He didn't see or know about all this "stuff" you speak of?  :doh:

Micah,

I know why you said this and where you are coming from.   :dsunny:

CHB

[Tom]

Micah you said, "And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this?"

I understand where you're coming from too, bro, but I never said or meant to imply that God is unaware of or not in control of what's happening.

[sheila]

 do not eat from that tree lest ye die. ADAM IS DYING!...HUMANS ARE DYING...A DYING CREATURE...

   thus  He says  LOOK TO ME ALL YE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BE SAVED!!!!!

  the animals,the fish of the sea and the birds of the air are dying!!

   BUT GOD WILL DESTROY THOSE WHO ARE DESTROYING THE EARTH.......

    I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW...........

[micah7:9]

Micah you said, "And I responded, "And as I wrote before, that the situation of which you speak, "getting more corrupt etc,"
is not in the plan set forth by the Creator? All this stuff of medical science and healthiness or unhealthiness means that HE does not KNOW this?"

I understand where you're coming from too, bro, but I never said or meant to imply that God is unaware of or not in control of what's happening.

:HeartThrob: :dsunny: :gimmefive:

[JulieTang84]

My point Micah is no one is dead to Father   :HeartThrob:

Jhn 11:6       When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
Jhn 11:7       Then after that saith he to [his] disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
Jhn 11:8       [His] disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Jhn 11:9       Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Jhn 11:10       But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jhn 11:11       These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Jhn 11:12       Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Jhn 11:13       Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Jhn 11:14       Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15       And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.

Love julie :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

My point Micah is no one is dead to Father   :HeartThrob:

Jhn 11:6       When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
Jhn 11:7       Then after that saith he to [his] disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
Jhn 11:8       [His] disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Jhn 11:9       Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Jhn 11:10       But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jhn 11:11       These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Jhn 11:12       Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Jhn 11:13       Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Jhn 11:14       Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15       And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.

Love julie :HeartThrob:

"Jhn 11:14       Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Jhn 11:15       And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies. This is what Jesus was meaning.

Love julie "

I don't understand.
John 11:26 And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?"(CLT)
Lazarus died, Jesus brought him back, but then Lazarus died.

"Who we pretend to be on this Earth is not our Spirit self that never dies...." Can you elaborate?


And "Remember always, we were not designed to die....." Julie

Can you elaborate?

Gen 2:17  and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'
Heb 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 11:13  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

[JulieTang84]

 :HeartThrob: This will be short Micah as I am in a waiting room.

I believe we spend a great part of out lives trying to find who we really are. Who we we meant to be.

I am NOT talking physical death but Spiritual death. The spirit of love cannot ever die.

:dsunny: We will shine forever.

Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

My point Micah is no one is dead to Father   

I usually dont  post alot these days , but read often on the Tent   
and Julie  , I just want  you to consider something here , that maybe you have not before  ,   that helps fit    many other scriptures  especially those written by Pauls experience  in the New Testament .
when  we are born in the world  first by our mothers womb , we are born  of the tree of knowledge of good and evil   ,
  the reason being why Jesus told Nicodemus  , you must be born again in John 4   
I do not believe anyone  is alive to the Father  , except Jesus Christ ,  His son and those   found hidden in him  , those sons of God are revealed by the very nature   that is Christ 

  Jesus was sent  into the world     to become the Lord /master of the dead and the living    , they were as dead  spiritually   to God ,  because the the curse     eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil
God is only the God of the LIVING  ,   Jeus own word   here in These verses  , making it facts to me 
and   there is no name under heaven by which we must be saved  , that is JESUS CHRIST   ,   we are all hid in the living son , till the revealing of the sons of God come forth out of Christ /annoited   Jesus /salavation   
 
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.


 
   a clue   being Jesus saying make the tree  good and its fruit good or make it corrupt and its  fruit corrupt

A tree [US all  being as trees walking ]   is KNOWN by its fruit 
the fruit of Life /Spirit of Life [tree of Life  =JESUS ]  or the tree of knowledge of good and evil  , the evil brings forth fruit unto death as cain  is known by ...  yet the good /abel     blood cries from the ground    is chosen to produce fruit to God  , the salvage ,    the another seed to take its place , it was Seth/compensation   as the old  was  told  Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.    but   it is Christ [the annoited ]  now   as we all know can endure all things who strengthens us ,   He is within us  ,  to be revealed   to the world , this seed /Word of God   is able to endure the fire  , for the Holy Spirity and Fire is what Jesus come to ignight     during the baptism [in Luke 12 ;49   came to send fire on the earth , this division   is the seperating the corrupt from the HOLY !  to burn away the dross of corrutption  of mans works  and establish the works of God in SPIRIT AND TRUTH .

  This also as  a metaphor   as   being  hot or cold  , not the lukewarm state of the lacodiean   church  , bearing both  kinds of fruit   , cain a man  from the Lord and Abel  a spirit /breath 
the man of sin and  breath of God   , as the seed of Christ is planted in the hearts of mankind
  you are the temple of the Living God and the Kingdom of God is within you  .
  just some thoughts to consider    , as I have over the years

  :girlheart:
 

[Tom]

Micah, check out the vid in the link. It was produced by creation scientists to show evidence of the human genome degenerating which is actuallly the best evidence that evolution does not make sense.

Genetic Mutation - Magnificent Modifier or Mega Meltdown?

http://creation.com/media-center?fileID=9IfV5iRQbIU