Demonic Possession/Exorcisms

[lomarah]

Sheila  :thumbsup:

[jbertonbounds]

I myself,expierenced a somewhat 'strange' occurrence....shortly before finding out the truth of the

salvation of all men.   I was awakened in the middle of the night by an argument going on,it had become

intense enough tht it aroused me out of my sleep.  This expierence reminded me of satan and Michael

  having a dispute over Moses body.

     I had first heard of the salvtion of ll men when I was 17 shortly after I was annointed..and rejected it...

    aand there-after I was sent into religious bondage to a very legalisticaally minded group for 10 yrs.

   through that expierence I fell off my 'high horse' and was more of the mind set to accept grace...and

  realized 'my own righteousness' of works..would not 'save me'

     I had 'come out" when the above occurred.  also...Jesus had awoken me one morning telling me I had

'dragon breath" beleiving and  speaking demonic doctrines of condemnation of men..in opposition

to what His son had accomplished.


    so was 'it' a lying religious spirit...'I will choose their delusion' becoz I rejected the truth when I heard

it[salvation of all men]?   all I know is He did a work on me..and I was sent to a religious prison house

for ten years[see parable of man who was forgiven much..then beat a man who was in debt to him]


    He did a chastising work on me!!!   I will not boast of myself[He scourged that out of me/and problably will

continue ] But I will  PRAISE HIM!!!!!! and what HE has done and does and will do for all of man.

     aand we are so Blessed to have HIM.   He IS IN CONTROL!!!!!!

       the evil contrst[evil spirits] are used of Him to educate us all.... He uses both positive and negative

   to teach His children.

    Molly put up a very good writing,a while back..how these spirits overtake the children...yes, the 'saints"

were overcome  as written in Daniel..... think not that it can't haappen to you..lest ye fall.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Sheila.

[Eduard]

I am certain that demonic posession exists.

[Nancy]

Hi there all,

This discussion is speaking about a spirit entering a person, didn't Christ say the things that come from OUT of a man makes him unclean not what enters him.

I also believe that the devil is a metaphor for the human ego, with its lusts and wants and must haves and Christ was tempted by His ego not some supernatural devil. That's why Christ is honoured and worshipped because He silenced His ego which as we all know is a very hard thing to do.

As for the Gadarene, he could have had schzophrenia or multiple personality disorder.  Even today people are afraid of the mentally ill.

Godbless
Nancy

[jbertonbounds]

Hi there all,

This discussion is speaking about a spirit entering a person, didn't Christ say the things that come from OUT of a man makes him unclean not what enters him.

I also believe that the devil is a metaphor for the human ego, with its lusts and wants and must haves and Christ was tempted by His ego not some supernatural devil. That's why Christ is honoured and worshipped because He silenced His ego which as we all know is a very hard thing to do.

As for the Gadarene, he could have had schzophrenia or multiple personality disorder.  Even today people are afraid of the mentally ill.

Godbless
Nancy

I have pondered if Satan is a real person or a metaphor.  There are many who believe he is a metaphor.  I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).  I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures.  It seems that metaphors in the scriptures are usually used more sparingly.  However, your point that mental and personality disorders may explain many of the "demon possessions" in the scriptures is an interesting thought.  If the terms "Satan," "devil," "demons," and "evil spirits" are metaphorical, then all of it would certainly make more sense to the human logic.  But how do we know for sure?  And how do we say that those terms are metaphors, and then turn around and say that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are real persons?  Maybe my logic is weak here, but all that to say this: the idea of Satan's being a metaphor is a little scary to me and a lot of other Christians. :eek: Of course his being a real person is pretty scary too! :eek:

[redhotmagma]

I'm kinda agnostic on the issue but just want to throw this out there. The law of Moses and Peter are also satan...accuser.

[micah7:9]

SATAN H7854  śâṭân  an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
From  H7853  A primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse: - (be an) adversary, resist.
The word "satan" is not a proper noun, it is the Hebrew word for opponent, adversary, which attacks by accusation.
I believe that the  Adversary is a created being, not a person. The adversary is the Devil. There is no devil in the OT. The "terrorists" call the USA "satan."

Devil G1228 diabolos   a traducer; specifically Satan (compare [H7854]): - false accuser, devil, slanderer.
From G1225 diaballō   (figuratively) to traduce: - accuse.
From G1223  dia  A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through

2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;

Just how I have been given to understand the/my enemy. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[jbertonbounds]

SATAN H7854  śâṭân  an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
From  H7853  A primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse: - (be an) adversary, resist.
The word "satan" is not a proper noun, it is the Hebrew word for opponent, adversary, which attacks by accusation.
I believe that the  Adversary is a created being, not a person. The adversary is the Devil. There is no devil in the OT. The "terrorists" call the USA "satan."

Devil G1228 diabolos   a traducer; specifically Satan (compare [H7854]): - false accuser, devil, slanderer.
From G1225 diaballō   (figuratively) to traduce: - accuse.
From G1223  dia  A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through

2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;

Just how I have been given to understand the/my enemy. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

Interesting, thanks. :thumbsup:

[Eduard]

Jesus was talking clearly about food there when talking about what enters a man, because he also said that food comes out of the man naturally. And he also cast out demons.

[micah7:9]

Remember.....Mat 13:34  All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mar 4:34  But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


Mat 15:17  Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18  But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19  For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Mar 7:14  And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15  There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16  If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

[jabcat]

  I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).       I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures. 

"...person [actual spirit being]"     :thumbsup:

[Eduard]

Just my point. A demon is not "cast out in the draught", so Jesus clearly meant food.


I think demonic posession is real.

[micah7:9]

I believe and know that the old Dragon, the Serpent, the Devil, the Adversary is very real.
But I personally have found no evidence that the enemy is a " person," as what the definition of a person is. A spirit being yes.   

[micah7:9]

Just my point. A demon is not "cast out in the draught", so Jesus clearly meant food.


I think demonic posession is real.

As I noted, this a parable, and the "draught" may not have to do with food. That's all I'm noting.

[micah7:9]

Hi there all,

This discussion is speaking about a spirit entering a person, didn't Christ say the things that come from OUT of a man makes him unclean not what enters him.

I also believe that the devil is a metaphor for the human ego, with its lusts and wants and must haves and Christ was tempted by His ego not some supernatural devil. That's why Christ is honoured and worshipped because He silenced His ego which as we all know is a very hard thing to do.

As for the Gadarene, he could have had schzophrenia or multiple personality disorder.  Even today people are afraid of the mentally ill.

Godbless
Nancy

I have pondered if Satan is a real person or a metaphor.  There are many who believe he is a metaphor.  I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).  I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures.  It seems that metaphors in the scriptures are usually used more sparingly.  However, your point that mental and personality disorders may explain many of the "demon possessions" in the scriptures is an interesting thought.  If the terms "Satan," "devil," "demons," and "evil spirits" are metaphorical, then all of it would certainly make more sense to the human logic.  But how do we know for sure?  And how do we say that those terms are metaphors, and then turn around and say that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are real persons?  Maybe my logic is weak here, but all that to say this: the idea of Satan's being a metaphor is a little scary to me and a lot of other Christians. :eek: Of course his being a real person is pretty scary too! :eek:

" I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures." (jbertonbounds)

The word satan is spoke of 54 times(KJV and other translations/versions that follow the KJV) from I Chron. 21:1 to Revelation that's really not so much. Just thought it should be noted. :HeartThrob:

[jbertonbounds]

I believe and know that the old Dragon, the Serpent, the Devil, the Adversary is very real.
But I personally have found no evidence that the enemy is a " person," as what the definition of a person is. A spirit being yes.

I am the one who referred to Satan as a person.
But I never said Satan was a real person - period. 
What I said was, "I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).
Meaning a real being, as opposed to a metaphor.
Just for clarification. :winkgrin: Wouldn't want to get caught up in a battle over wording. :laughing7:

[lastpost]

To my heart and understanding, Jesus the Christ of God, being the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) was perfectly pure.

He suffered and felt sensations like a human being, yes.

He was tempted but only as a hungry human being would be tempted to eat bread if that human being was starving, but that does not mean that He had any kind of "ego" as in selfishness - He was Selfless - Love Divine - and Love Divine can only give and cannot take for the lesser self.

                                                                                   :dsunny:

[jbertonbounds]

I have pondered if Satan is a real person or a metaphor.  There are many who believe he is a metaphor.  I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).  I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures.  It seems that metaphors in the scriptures are usually used more sparingly.  However, your point that mental and personality disorders may explain many of the "demon possessions" in the scriptures is an interesting thought.  If the terms "Satan," "devil," "demons," and "evil spirits" are metaphorical, then all of it would certainly make more sense to the human logic.  But how do we know for sure?  And how do we say that those terms are metaphors, and then turn around and say that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are real persons?  Maybe my logic is weak here, but all that to say this: the idea of Satan's being a metaphor is a little scary to me and a lot of other Christians. :eek: Of course his being a real person is pretty scary too! :eek:

" I believe this because there is so much about Satan in the scriptures." (jbertonbounds)

The word satan is spoke of 54 times(KJV and other translations/versions that follow the KJV) from I Chron. 21:1 to Revelation that's really not so much. Just thought it should be noted. :HeartThrob:

Of course, the terms "much" and "not much" are relative terms.
54 times seems like a lot too me. :2c:

[micah7:9]

I believe and know that the old Dragon, the Serpent, the Devil, the Adversary is very real.
But I personally have found no evidence that the enemy is a " person," as what the definition of a person is. A spirit being yes.

I am the one who referred to Satan as a person.
But I never said Satan was a real person - period. 
What I said was, "I tend to believe he is a real person (not human, but for lack of a better term, a person).
Meaning a real being, as opposed to a metaphor.
Just for clarification. :winkgrin: Wouldn't want to get caught up in a battle over wording. :laughing7:

Okay. I do understand the difficulty, I am right there as well. When I try to put the adversary into a
word of description, I always settle for "it." I myself, at least for now find in un perceiveable to personify the Devil. :dsunny:

[lomarah]

Well I don't think it was an ego that caused a whole herd of pigs to drown themselves...  :laughing7:

And there are loads of people who have witnessed seeing demons. I have many friends who have.

[jbertonbounds]

To my heart and understanding, Jesus the Christ of God, being the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) was perfectly pure.

He suffered and felt sensations like a human being, yes.

He was tempted but only as a hungry human being would be tempted to eat bread if that human being was starving, but that does not mean that He had any kind of "ego" as in selfishness - He was Selfless - Love Divine - and Love Divine can only give and cannot take for the lesser self.

                                                                                   :dsunny:

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[micah7:9]

To my heart and understanding, Jesus the Christ of God, being the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) was perfectly pure.

He suffered and felt sensations like a human being, yes.

He was tempted but only as a hungry human being would be tempted to eat bread if that human being was starving, but that does not mean that He had any kind of "ego" as in selfishness - He was Selfless - Love Divine - and Love Divine can only give and cannot take for the lesser self.

                                                                                   :dsunny:

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ABSOLUTELY LIKE! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[lomarah]

I have been at that place where the door has been locked, it is a terrible, terrifying sound. :sigh:

Are you speaking figuratively micah? If so can you explain?

[micah7:9]

I have been at that place where the door has been locked, it is a terrible, terrifying sound. :sigh:

Are you speaking figuratively micah? If so can you explain?

Forgive my post please. I was trying to speak to a locked thread and in my frustration I posted here for lack of any other way to respond.  My error. There is nothing to it. My apologies. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[Warhawk17]

Really fascinating discussion! I do believe again that demonic possessions are real after reading all these comments. I believe it more in the sense though that demons manifest themselves in our weaknesses of the flesh such as anger, lusts, alcoholism, greed, etc. I don't think demons are big, red faced creatures with horns that run around scaring people. I think some people have more dramatic experiences with them being cast out than others. I am not as sensitive to these spirits as some of you guys, but I think it is pretty clear they are out there.