Cursing

[ded2daworld]

As a former business professional, it was just good business to NEVER use swear words or cussing with a client. as a former construction worker, foul language was standard from everyone EXCEPT the ones I knew to be Christian.
IMO, you have a bad habit and rather than work on it, you justify it in your mind. :2c:

[jabcat]

Often I think things I shouldn't, and sometimes I say things I shouldn't. 

I'm convinced in my heart that it's my flesh/satan in me that curses - in any manner - and dirties my conscience before God.  When I confess it (agree with Him I've sinned) it's cleansed, forgiven, and forgotten.

Blessings.

Yes , So do I  !!  Bro James  :HeartThrob:

the Word of God comes and washes   the dirty conscience , usually God forgive me and start praying for the  reason I cussed in the first place ! 
 
   :thumbsup:
 
 

Hi  bro Eduard ,  I think we should be aware  of our weaknesses , Just   as Paul states  when  he is weak  ,
  than He is strong  any strength  to overcome  our failures 

comes from trusting in Jesus ,

As we ask Him for the help , to stay right with Him


I dont think cleanlineness can dwell in a dirty place  ,

that is why its  [ the mind  ]  in so many places in the WORD  that must be changed first  and is dealt with first   , as we are given the mind of Christ /obedience to the will of God
We sure are learning obedience  with our new minds and hearts towards God   :HeartThrob:

amen rosie.  :)

[ded2daworld]

Btw, it took me about 20 years to "clean up my mouth" -even with my mouth gettin washed out with soap as a youngster...
and I'm still not 100%. :Peace2:

[shawn]

As a former business professional, it was just good business to NEVER use swear words or cussing with a client. as a former construction worker, foul language was standard from everyone EXCEPT the ones I knew to be Christian.
IMO, you have a bad habit and rather than work on it, you justify it in your mind. :2c:

Bad business isn't necessarily sin.  I certainly wouldn't mix up the two.  I can however buy that our heart may be in the wrong place when we curse.  I think more often than not you are right...not always but often.  But, I believe saying shoot, crap, gosh or any of the other made up sub words would apply to that as well.   :2c:

[ded2daworld]

"When an orange is squeezed, orange juice comes out because that's what is inside.
When an apple is squeezed, apple juice comes out because that's what's inside.
When a person is squeezed (emotionally, figuratively), whatever comes out of the mouth is what is inside.

I had a friend many years ago that whatever happened to him, I'd hear a praise God or praise the Lord. When I asked him why he said that when bad things happened, he replied that our opinion of "bad" is not God's opinion of "bad" since ALL things work together for the glory of God. Of course, if something "bad" happened to someone else, he wouldn't say praise the Lord to them(because they might not understand and be offended, but how often do we curse when something bad happens to someone else? I feel sorrow when a friend, relative or "great" person dies, but I certainly don't cuss when "bad" people do - actually, when a bad person dies, IMO, that's a very appropriate praise the Lord time. :Peace2:

[jbertonbounds]

"When an orange is squeezed, orange juice comes out because that's what is inside.
When an apple is squeezed, apple juice comes out because that's what's inside.
When a person is squeezed (emotionally, figuratively), whatever comes out of the mouth is what is inside.

I've heard this popular saying in the Christian community before, but it falls short of reality, and becomes insulting at times for those of us who choose to use any word at our disposal (within the boundaries of good judgement, of course) with a clear conscience.  :sigh: When I am "squeezed" I may say "Oh Sh--."  I doesn't mean that I am full of worthless garbage, good for nothing but to be flushed into the sewer.  I am full of Jesus.  I love Jesus.  I love God's precepts.  I want nothing more than to please God and for my life to bring him glory.  Who is anyone to judge that I am full of whatever word I use as an expletive?  That is condemning, judgmental, and absurd.  :2c:

NO offense, of course. :winkgrin:

[lomarah]

Yeah jbb, don't you hate it when you get the s--- squeezed out of you?  :laughing7:  :laugh:  :LH:

Ahem...

I find a loving, cussing person to be much more refreshing than a religious, non-cussing person. This is not to say I love cuss words. But I could care less whether someone uses them or not.  :2c:

[jbertonbounds]

A lot of good points here.  Let me make one more.

Paul advise/principle of abstaining from "eating meat" was, IMO, specific to the recipients of his letter, their culture - they probably felt VERY STRONGLY about certain things like eating meat sacrificed to idols, which became HUGE stumbling blocks to them that they could not overcome.  We should not use that scripture to the point that we alter our lifestyle to be robots governed by what others think of our every move, our every word.  When I was growing up, my Mom would not buy groceries from a store that sold beer.  Well, she could argue her point, but where was she to get food when they all started selling beer?  Did it accomplish anything?  Did it make her a more Godly woman?  Did it right a wrong?  Would anyone have stumbled if she had bought from them?

We must be careful not to become like Pharisees with all the legalistic rules!  It can sneak up on us before we know it.  That sort of thing becomes a stench to the world, and stinks up the gospel as bad as any ET doctrine.  In my viewpoint, we set a better example to the world if we be real people who share God's love, who don't let ourselves become moral robots who taboo so many of the normal things in life for the sake of Pharisee rules made up by man.  I don't follow Pharisee precepts.  I follow God's precepts.  Given the amount of Pharisee rules having been added to religious beliefs in our societies today, I wonder if Paul would give us different advise today?  Perhaps he would say to us, "Stay clear of the big issues, but don't sweat the small stuff."

As I stated before, I use prudence when I use "cuss words."  I don't just spit that stuff out freely.  If you knew me, you would probably assume I don't even cuss at all, for lack of hearing it from me.  THAT'S THE KEY!
:dsunny:

[jbertonbounds]

Yeah jbb, don't you hate it when you get the s--- squeezed out of you?  :laughing7:  :laugh:  :LH:

Ahem...

I find a loving, cussing person to be much more refreshing than a religious, non-cussing person. This is not to say I love cuss words. But I could care less whether someone uses them or not.  :2c:

Absolutely!  Thank you, Lomarah.

[jabcat]

Yeah jbb, don't you hate it when you get the s--- squeezed out of you?  :laughing7:  :laugh:  :LH:

Ahem...

I find a loving, cussing person to be much more refreshing than a religious, non-cussing person. This is not to say I love cuss words. But I could care less whether someone uses them or not.  :2c:

Absolutely!  Thank you, Lomarah.

It's not either/or.  IMO, that could be a red herring/distraction from the main point(s).  Let's be accurate.  To work on not cussing, does not mean one is necessarily a "religious", i.e., Pharisee-type person.  One does not necessarily follow the other logically.  IMO, that can be just another form of mis-judging the matter.

Personally, I'll be around pretty much anyone, but my spirit more identifies with folks who speak pure things (among other fruit of the Spirit, of course).  It doesn't mean I judge the cussing ("eating") person as unsaved, a degenerate, etc.  But I just prefer to not continually communicate in that manner.  I generally feel it's unnecessary and not helpful.   But to be clear, someone who speaks pure things can also come from a loving person, that's not a Pharisee, but is just trying to be faithful and surrendered to God as best they understand.  Again, not either/or, and just because a person seeks to have God control their tongue, doesn't in itself make them a Pharisee.


" We should not use that scripture to the point that we alter our lifestyle to be robots governed by what others think of our every move, our every word."        --   I agree.  But once again, that's not what's being said, just as it's not being said on the other hand, that we should just dismiss such (any) scripture and just do whatever we want.   No one needs to be condemned by another, or condemn.    I think it's been clearly said that everyone's conscience answers to God, "whether they eat meat, or don't eat meat", if it's truly done in clear conscience and "as to God".   :2c:

[micah7:9]

I learned very little from my father[ he died quite early in my life] but one thing he told me, and he had a fairly clean mouth. He told me that swearing and cussing was laziness. I have found that to be a very true statement. :2c:

[ded2daworld]

I didn't mean literally what you say you are. I mean if you habitually swore, that's the "old man" speaking. IMO, the bible says we will be judged for every idle word and using a cuss word for an adjective or an adverb is, IMO, not walking(talking) in the spirit. It's almost always used to show displeasure with reality in some way. Either people didn't act as we believe they should(cut us off in traffic for example) or we aren't content with ourselves or what God is doing in our lives. :2c:

[micah7:9]

I didn't mean literally what you say you are. I mean if you habitually swore, that's the "old man" speaking. IMO, the bible says we will be judged for every idle word and using a cuss word for an adjective or an adverb is, IMO, not walking(talking) in the spirit. It's almost always used to show displeasure with reality in some way. Either people didn't act as we believe they should(cut us off in traffic for example) or we aren't content with ourselves or what God is doing in our lives. :2c:

Yes, we ain't dead yet, the old man still reigns whether we will admit it or for when a weakness shows itself. And until we are brought/raised to that realm of our Example, which is immortality, we will have these faults and they will always erupt in our walk. But we have the Advocate, Thank you Jesus! :dsunny:

[jbertonbounds]

WOW!  So many ways to look at this thing.  Sure leads to some interesting discussion.  So many good points.  All the more reason to approach our language usage with prudence.  The best policy, as with most anything, is - when in doubt, leave it out!  Once you've said something, like salt in the pot, you can't take it back.  Without using the prudence given us by the Spirit, using sensitive words and expletives can certainly be unwise.  Better to err on the side of caution.  Follow the Spirit's leading.  Perhaps He gives some of us freedom in that area, and others not - for a reason of which we are unaware.

:dsunny:

[jbertonbounds]

Yes, we ain't dead yet, the old man still reigns whether we will admit it or for when a weakness shows itself. And until we are brought/raised to that realm of our Example, which is immortality, we will have these faults and they will always erupt in our walk. But we have the Advocate, Thank you Jesus! :dsunny:

True.   :thumbsup:  Yet we must be careful to let each one judge for himself whether he is at fault, whether in the words he chooses or in any other matter.  We must never try to help others judge themselves. :2c: :2c: :2c:

[mplsfitter539]

    Badger: The cuss you are...
    Mr. Fox: The cuss am I? Are you cussing with me?!
    Badger: No, you cussing with ME?!
    Mr. Fox: Don't cussing point at me!
    Badger: You'll cuss someone but me!
    Mr. Fox: No, you're not gonna cuss with me, you little cuss!

[jabcat]

You're right j, many good thoughts, from various directions.  Much to think about.  Thanks micah and ded for some really good input.  Great last 2 posts j.  Been chewing this over, and this came to me;

If anything we do is not harmful to ourselves or others, and is not clearly spelled out in the scriptures (murder, adultery, etc.);  if it's helpful, pure, praiseworthy, builds others up, lovely, of good report;  and God doesn't convict us of it, then by all means, do it according to His will.  If not, He'll help us with it if we turn to Him.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.   "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up.   Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor." - Paul

[jbertonbounds]

    Badger: The cuss you are...
    Mr. Fox: The cuss am I? Are you cussing with me?!
    Badger: No, you cussing with ME?!
    Mr. Fox: Don't cussing point at me!
    Badger: You'll cuss someone but me!
    Mr. Fox: No, you're not gonna cuss with me, you little cuss!

:laughing7:

[jbertonbounds]

You're right j, many good thoughts, from various directions.  Much to think about.  Thanks micah and ded for some really good input.  Great last 2 posts j.  Been chewing this over, and this came to me;

If anything we do is helpful, pure, praiseworthy, builds others up, lovely, of good report;  and God doesn't convict us of it, then by all means, do it according to His will.  If not, He'll help us with it if we turn to Him.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.   "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up.   Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor."

I have always found this scripture curious.  If all things are lawful, then can I rob a bank?  Can I sell drugs?  Can I have a different woman every night?  Well of course not!  So I've never understood just what Paul meant here.  What is your interpretation of it?

[jbertonbounds]

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. - Paul

One of my favorite scriptures.  Such good advise from our brother Paul.  That alone would stop all the filthy language in the world!  :thumbsup:

[jabcat]

Love that last one too j.

As far as the other one, any answer would be "taking my best shot at it", because I don't think I have a perfect handle on it either.  It's a good one to study though.  I'll share a few thoughts.

"All things are lawful".  We're not under the Law.  Is that all it means?  Not sure, but doubt it.

But since we're not under the Law, it seems there are other "laws".  The law of love for instance.  The law of love harms no one intentionally.  If we truly lived by that, doing unto others, I believe we'd keep all the 10 commandments "by default", automatically.  Also, for me, once someone is spiritually reborn, then God through the Holy Spirit goes to work within us, shaping us, directing us, into His will.  It may not be based on the Law, but we're still being brought into His likeness/image.  And IMO, that involves NOTHING except whatever is good, honest, pure, of good report, helpful to others, seeking not its own, etc.       That's why I think some things are a matter of maturity.  I made that statement in another thread about cussing, and it was disagreed with.  But I still maintain, the more we're made into His image, such things will pass away, i.e., maturity.  Don't get me wrong.  I consider myself (my flesh) very sinful.  I'm only made right by His mercy and grace applied to my life.  So I have much distance to go before I'm in His likeness.  I don't think I will be until the next age, when He's given me immortality.  In the meantime, I believe I'll struggle with the flesh.  But IMO, one of the key phrases is "struggle".  By that I really mean, being aware of the flesh, not giving into it, releasing things to Him for His help because I AM weak, and receiving forgiveness for the many times I fail.  But I do beleive I should care about it and take it to Him, not just rationalize it as I often do.  It doesn't work for me.  Thankfully, He disciplines me as a son (and unfortunately, has many opportunities and much need to do so).

I said a lot real quick, hope at least some of it makes some sense.  Gotta go get supper out of the oven. :)   And if He'll help me, I won't over-eat tonight (one of my besetting sins). 

[ded2daworld]

Jab :thumbsup: - just what I would have said - including the overeating :laughing7: :Peace2:

[jabcat]

Jab :thumbsup: - just what I would have said - including the overeating :laughing7: :Peace2:

:laugh:   thanks   :gimmefive:

[mplsfitter539]

Sorry for the bit of humor earlier. Just wanted to share a bit about my own personal cussing issue. About 4 years ago I quit swearing, or anything that could pass as a substitute for cussing. Now I can't even say darn without feeling terrible about it. I have been very blessed by this seemingly simple act of obedience.

1 Corinthians 3

16 Don't you know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him because God's temple is holy. You are that holy temple!

This is my rule now. My goal daily is to not defile the temple that Yahweh gave to me. Which means don't look and don't listen to things that do not glorify Yahweh.

[jabcat]

Sorry for the bit of humor earlier. Just wanted to share a bit about my own personal cussing issue. About 4 years ago I quit swearing, or anything that could pass as a substitute for cussing. Now I can't even say darn without feeling terrible about it. I have been very blessed by this seemingly simple act of obedience.

1 Corinthians 3

16 Don't you know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him because God's temple is holy. You are that holy temple!

This is my rule now. My goal daily is to not defile the temple that Yahweh gave to me. Which means don't look and don't listen to things that do not glorify Yahweh.

no problem, humor's great.  love your testimony, it's a "good report".  blessings.