The Anti Christ

[Jock]

Whole nations sounds like a bit of a broad brush. I wonder about religions?

[Molly]

Whole nations sounds like a bit of a broad brush. I wonder about religions?

It does sound like a broad brush.  But, isn't that the way it has worked out?

[Jock]

I don't even want to speculate on that, Molly.

[micah7:9]

I don't know that there is any such thing as a Christian country, at least I can't think of one. I think that the US has more per capita than any other country. Christians of every stripe

Anyway, I don't think it matters much  :dontknow:

Hang in there Jock :dsunny:

[lomarah]

Oh daj... so true.

Sad... but true.

[sheila]

 well,Israel was to be a 'Blessing" to all the nations of the earth......but who would of thought that it was through their failure

as a nation of God[through rejection of Christ] that the Blessing of Grace be extended to them.

   It is my understanding..that no 'flesh[ly] [nation] shall boast ..but by my spirit..to me..means the Grace of God...

  poured forth on all flesh[no-longer any particular nation]  thus the all...for all have fallen short...even the elect....covenant

people[Israel law covenant] and Covenant for a kingdom[Christendom].......  He told the disciples...for your righteousness

must exceed that of the jewish leaders[do what they say..not how they do]

   p.s.  Cyrus was given treasures hidden in dark places as a reward for the way he treated the covenant people..but remeber

his policy of freedom of religion...and that he did not know God..but was never-the-less used of Him for His purpose for a time.

   But Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven,,is a greater then Cyrus the Persian or Solomon.

   stor up for yourselves treasures in Heaven..not treasures on earth[even though it be a treasure unto Cyrus of the earth]

   where robbers and theives break in

   Isaih 45............and Daniel 2...both name Bel or Marduke as Lord,Cyrus and Nebuchaddnezer....the King who exalts himself

   Daniel 11

   any nation that does not go up   Zech 14;17...the feast of tabernancles..is the one festival required of the nations

  or they receive no rain[reign]   this feast speaks of the final regathering and restoration of all Israel as well as

the ingathering of the nations....the ALL men saved by grace of God.through God's son atonement...in that day there

will no longer be a Caananite in the house of the Lord Almighty.......cursed be Canaan.....the lowest of slaves....

   offspring of 'he who uncovered his father's nakedness."  Love covers a multitude of sins..if they have done it unto you,

they have the same done unto Him...He has declared 'my people shall not be ashamed" no shame of nakedness..

  but granted to be covered in clean bright linen.

  the kingdomof heaven shall not begin in the spirit and be perfected with a fleshly nation. The Kingdom of Heaven is

the spirit of Grace[Holy spirit] poured out on all flesh... the 1000 yr reign is the spirit of grace..that ends...when satan

[the accusor/condemner] is released on earth...to go forth and encompass the  city of grace/camp..of the spirit of grace

toall men.   The wicked encompass the righteous,therefore true judgement does not go forth[all men bear the image of the

corrupt one,so,too all shall ber the image of the incorrupt one/the carnal man/spiritual man.......they surrounded the camp

of the city He loves[Grace/spirit poured out] thus the resurrection of the righteous and wicked[carnal flesh boast/old man vs

  grace spirit new creature/new earth/new heaven creature]  thus the baptism of the fire of His word and spirit must burn up

the old/carnal man-doomed to destruction/world stored up for fire.......work of man's hands..fleshly boasts..which is but

an idol made of the hands of man...and not a spiritual work of deliverance by God through His spirit of Grace/through Messiah


    If the kingdom of heaven be in your midst..it exists as the spirit of supplicaation and grace extended through the Holy spirit

.   'Christ in you"..even though it be surrounded by the carnal flesh of corrupt man with the spirit of wickedness in opposition

to the Holy city in you[manchild in Heaven]  Thus the fire comes down from heaven...the breath of the Lord..that consumes

and does away with the man of lawlessness that surrounds the spirit man in us.  thus..the consumation of the betrothed

with the bride-groom...one flesh...the old man  perished[death of the carnal man]

    it is not a fleshly work...the nations exhaust themselves simply for nothing...it is but fuel for the fire..all fleshly works

of carnal man to work righteousness is but idol worship....it is a work of the spirit...by my spirit......

   the Kingdom of heaven..is like.....a woman that took leavening..and hid it in a bowl[all] of 3 mesures of flour..until the

whole bowl of flour was leavened....leavening=the spirit of grace that lifts man up in Christ/the new image

  Ephraim mixes with the nations...Ephraim is a flat cake not turned over.=half-baked ideas of spirit/flesh man mix for salvation

of all men.

  unless a grain of wheat fall to the earth and die...it can not bear fruit unto heaven...wheat/flesh...ground into flour=death

add leavening/spirit of grace=life...the flour becomes a living organism  and rises...and becomes bread of His presence/face

Bread of heaven/life.Matthew 8;11-12....ye have no life in yourselves....I am the true bread of heaven...O'immanuel.

......two wittnesses lie dead in the street...the breath of life from God entered them..and they stood on their feet..and

a voice from heaven said 'come up here"   rise through grace

    He shall rule the nations with a rod of iron.....all national/fleshly division shall be pulverized....grinded into flour Mt 21;44

   he who falls on this stone will be broken[bread] but he on whom it falls will be crushed......

  the husk  must be threshed from the kernal of wheat..threshing sledges with teeth of iron are used  for this.........


  see,I will make you into a threshing sledge..new and sharp with many teeth..   Isaaih 41     you will winnow them...

the wind will pick them up..and a gale will blow them away   a kingdom divided against itself can not stand..the kingdom of

heaven is not divided against itself..through husk/national fleshly associations.....there is neither Greek nor jew in Christ..

no fleshly division of men..princes and principalities of this world resist the kingdom of heaven...the ten toes of iron and

clay can not stick togather................seperate the people one from another=ten toes of clay and iron.....does grain make

bread without the husk removed first? or the grain threshed? and ground/pulverized..how then can it stick togther,less

this occurr first? 

   All...allows no divisions[dividing of zion....... anything less then the all is robbing God/Christ of their due...turning His house

of communion into a house of robbers and theives. If the Kingdom of Heaven[grace] be in you..it will extend to all that

encompasses you..to the not counting of the sins in your own flesh[wickedness] that surrounds you...and extending to

  those all around you......

   unless a kernal of wheat fall to the earth and die..it remains alone[ in it's husk] but if it fall to the earth nd die

[extending the life of grace to others] it bears much fruit unto heaven[grace/life abundantly]

  Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse...that there may be food in my house[Bread of presence]


   TEST ME IN THIS,says the Lord Almighty,and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven,and pour out

so much blessing that you will not have room for it.

[lomarah]

So much good stuff in that post! Thanks!

[sheila]

   I have no idea how that line got through there?

[lomarah]

Lol... maybe one of the mods can fix it for you.

[jabcat]

I wondered what in the Sam Hill point you were making by crossing out scripture..but hey, we all got our own quirks...  :pointlaugh: :LH: :rolllol:

[jabcat]

it had this little goomer stuck in the middle of the word zion - ""    which gave it the "strike out" command.  there's probably another one in there i'm missing, but getting at least one of them took out the strikeouts.  so if there's a rogue still in a word somewhere, hey, it could be (and was) worse   :laugh:

[sheila]

    well....I've never even heard of a the word 'goomer'   I thought it was a hyphen?   :laugh:   I'm sure I would flunk a

computer class....if I ever took one....... :laugh:


     TY   JC :friendstu: :banana: :banana: :banana:. :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny:

[jabcat]

goomer is just like goober, booger, etc...nothing official about it  lol

i just went to MY POST?   i hadn't seen that MY POST was struck through...the   little s in the brackets  :eek:, as I was so skillfully demonstrating, crossed out my words too.  will you fix that please?    :laughhand:

anyway, it's that 4th little button at the top over from the left, the S with the line through it that does it   :doh:

[lomarah]

 :laugh:  :laughing7:
Good one.

[anna274]

well,Israel was to be a 'Blessing" to all the nations of the earth......but who would of thought that it was through their failure

as a nation of God[through rejection of Christ] that the Blessing of Grace be extended to them.

   It is my understanding..that no 'flesh[ly] [nation] shall boast ..but by my spirit..to me..means the Grace of God...

  poured forth on all flesh[no-longer any particular nation]  thus the all...for all have fallen short...even the elect....covenant

people[Israel law covenant] and Covenant for a kingdom[Christendom].......  He told the disciples...for your righteousness

must exceed that of the jewish leaders[do what they say..not how they do]

   p.s.  Cyrus was given treasures hidden in dark places as a reward for the way he treated the covenant people..but remeber

his policy of freedom of religion...and that he did not know God..but was never-the-less used of Him for His purpose for a time.

   But Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven,,is a greater then Cyrus the Persian or Solomon.

   stor up for yourselves treasures in Heaven..not treasures on earth[even though it be a treasure unto Cyrus of the earth]

   where robbers and theives break in

   Isaih 45............and Daniel 2...both name Bel or Marduke as Lord,Cyrus and Nebuchaddnezer....the King who exalts himself

   Daniel 11

   any nation that does not go up   Zech 14;17...the feast of tabernancles..is the one festival required of the nations

  or they receive no rain[reign]   this feast speaks of the final regathering and restoration of all Israel as well as

the ingathering of the nations....the ALL men saved by grace of God.through God's son atonement...in that day there

will no longer be a Caananite in the house of the Lord Almighty.......cursed be Canaan.....the lowest of slaves....

   offspring of 'he who uncovered his father's nakedness."  Love covers a multitude of sins..if they have done it unto you,

they have the same done unto Him...He has declared 'my people shall not be ashamed" no shame of nakedness..

  but granted to be covered in clean bright linen.

  the kingdomof heaven shall not begin in the spirit and be perfected with a fleshly nation. The Kingdom of Heaven is

the spirit of Grace[Holy spirit] poured out on all flesh... the 1000 yr reign is the spirit of grace..that ends...when satan

[the accusor/condemner] is released on earth...to go forth and encompass the  city of grace/camp..of the spirit of grace

toall men.   The wicked encompass the righteous,therefore true judgement does not go forth[all men bear the image of the

corrupt one,so,too all shall ber the image of the incorrupt one/the carnal man/spiritual man.......they surrounded the camp

of the city He loves[Grace/spirit poured out] thus the resurrection of the righteous and wicked[carnal flesh boast/old man vs

  grace spirit new creature/new earth/new heaven creature]  thus the baptism of the fire of His word and spirit must burn up

the old/carnal man-doomed to destruction/world stored up for fire.......work of man's hands..fleshly boasts..which is but

an idol made of the hands of man...and not a spiritual work of deliverance by God through His spirit of Grace/through Messiah


    If the kingdom of heaven be in your midst..it exists as the spirit of supplicaation and grace extended through the Holy spirit

.   'Christ in you"..even though it be surrounded by the carnal flesh of corrupt man with the spirit of wickedness in opposition

to the Holy city in you[manchild in Heaven]  Thus the fire comes down from heaven...the breath of the Lord..that consumes

and does away with the man of lawlessness that surrounds the spirit man in us.  thus..the consumation of the betrothed

with the bride-groom...one flesh...the old man  perished[death of the carnal man]

    it is not a fleshly work...the nations exhaust themselves simply for nothing...it is but fuel for the fire..all fleshly works

of carnal man to work righteousness is but idol worship....it is a work of the spirit...by my spirit......

   the Kingdom of heaven..is like.....a woman that took leavening..and hid it in a bowl[all] of 3 mesures of flour..until the

whole bowl of flour was leavened....leavening=the spirit of grace that lifts man up in Christ/the new image

  Ephraim mixes with the nations...Ephraim is a flat cake not turned over.=half-baked ideas of spirit/flesh man mix for salvation

of all men.

  unless a grain of wheat fall to the earth and die...it can not bear fruit unto heaven...wheat/flesh...ground into flour=death

add leavening/spirit of grace=life...the flour becomes a living organism  and rises...and becomes bread of His presence/face

Bread of heaven/life.Matthew 8;11-12....ye have no life in yourselves....I am the true bread of heaven...O'immanuel.

......two wittnesses lie dead in the street...the breath of life from God entered them..and they stood on their feet..and

a voice from heaven said 'come up here"   rise through grace

    He shall rule the nations with a rod of iron.....all national/fleshly division shall be pulverized....grinded into flour Mt 21;44

   he who falls on this stone will be broken[bread] but he on whom it falls will be crushed......

  the husk  must be threshed from the kernal of wheat..threshing sledges with teeth of iron are used  for this.........


  see,I will make you into a threshing sledge..new and sharp with many teeth..   Isaaih 41     you will winnow them...

the wind will pick them up..and a gale will blow them away   a kingdom divided against itself can not stand..the kingdom of

heaven is not divided against itself..through husk/national fleshly associations.....there is neither Greek nor jew in Christ..

no fleshly division of men..princes and principalities of this world resist the kingdom of heaven...the ten toes of iron and

clay can not stick togather................seperate the people one from another=ten toes of clay and iron.....does grain make

bread without the husk removed first? or the grain threshed? and ground/pulverized..how then can it stick togther,less

this occurr first? 

   All...allows no divisions[dividing of zion....... anything less then the all is robbing God/Christ of their due...turning His house

of communion into a house of robbers and theives. If the Kingdom of Heaven[grace] be in you..it will extend to all that

encompasses you..to the not counting of the sins in your own flesh[wickedness] that surrounds you...and extending to

  those all around you......

   unless a kernal of wheat fall to the earth and die..it remains alone[ in it's husk] but if it fall to the earth nd die

[extending the life of grace to others] it bears much fruit unto heaven[grace/life abundantly]

  Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse...that there may be food in my house[Bread of presence]


   TEST ME IN THIS,says the Lord Almighty,and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven,and pour out

so much blessing that you will not have room for it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you Sheila...  what a wonderful  Sheila's Scriptural Sharing... and one that I have printed and will use in one of my latest projects:   FULNESS OF CHRIST/fulness of the gentiles.   I believe that the word "gentiles" in this context does not refer to people, nations, kingdoms...  so much to ponder yet...   again thanks

[rosered]

 :thumbsup:  Thanks Shelia  :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

IMO -All nations will be gathered before Him, but He will not separate them as nations, He will separate them as individuals who lived in those nations. I revelations it speaks

Rev 5:9  And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

These "sheep" are those who heard the shepherds voice, as righteous people establishing righteousness in a righteous nation- or as righteous people shining like stars against the darkness in an evil nation- which is most, since Jesus said, "You will be hated of all nations for my name's sake" and, "Go forth proclaiming the gospel, making disciples of all nations".

IMO, His gathering up until now is bringing many sons unto glory, the firstfruits- and the Bride. Then afterwards the nations, then afterwards, all principality and power, including the hosts of wickedness in the heavenly realms until the last adversary, death, is no longer because God is all in all and all that there remains rejoices in life in the love of God.

"an administration consisting of the fulfilling of the times/eras/ages, the gathering together of all things in one in Christ Jesus, whether things in heaven or on earth.(my paraphrase)"

Eph 1:9-12 

All things

He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

The Firstfruits

In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.

Heb 2:10

All things

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things,

The Firstfuits


in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.


Rom 8:18-23

The Firstfruits

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.  For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

All Things into the glorious freedom of the Firstfruits

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope  that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

All Things

For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.

The Firstfruits

  And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

Jas 1:17-18

Firstfruits

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

[Molly]

We see the nations still existing at the end of the age and going into the next age.

He will take  his own people from every tribe and tongue and nation to be a nation of priests.  These are the ones who are standing before the throne and singing a new song.

In both Old and New Testament prophecy the extant nations who treated Israel badly will be severely judged by Christ.

Every nation in the Old Testament prophecy that Jesus is very harsh with at his return is currently a muslim nation.

:2c:

[Jock]

Molly, are you saying that Israel is currently a Muslim nation? or will become one? Israel is the apple of God's eye and anyone who curses Israel will in turn be cursed but anyone who blesses Israel will in turn, be blessed. My wife is Jewish but a follower of Yeshua. We both have a great love in our hearts for Israel.

Blessings

[jbertonbounds]

I believe that we will also be persecuted, not only by Islam but by traditional evangelical Christianity. After all, we, the heretics are part of the great deception, NOT!

I got a sneak preview of this when Rob Bell went public with "Love Wins" also, Carlton Pearson, Bishop John Spong and others. I've seen it with my own sister who is evangelical. Might as well figure on the gay lobby too.

I think there will also be some wonderful things happening in the Spirit, too. We have some great things to share with those who will listen.  :winkgrin:

I am currently facing some persecution now from my ET church.
Some of the deacons want me ousted from the deacon body.
The head deacon visited me and asked that I keep the UR stuff quiet.
During his visit the phrase "take action" [against me] came out of his mouth.
At least one member, the pastor's father, is shunning me.
The pastor may also be shunning me at this point, but I'm not sure, as he is really sly.
He has not spoken to me in two weeks, whereas he used to be very friendly and loving.
I suspect he wants me to leave.
In a church of 60 people, it's not hard to realize when you are being shunned, so time will tell.
Why do people withdraw their love when you do something they don't like (like posting UR on FaceBook)? :sigh:
Doesn't sound like God's love to me.

[Jock]

 jbertonbounds , this doesn't surprise me at all. Shunning is horrible, I have been shunned before after leaving a Pentecostal church. It seems like, when you are there, everybody just loves each other but if question things, they grow fangs and once you finally leave, you never see them again. This is not love!

Perhaps it's time for you to leave but it's your decision ultimately
I'm with you whatever you do.  :Peace2:

[Molly]

Molly, are you saying that Israel is currently a Muslim nation? or will become one? Israel is the apple of God's eye and anyone who curses Israel will in turn be cursed but anyone who blesses Israel will in turn, be blessed. My wife is Jewish but a follower of Yeshua. We both have a great love in our hearts for Israel.

Blessings

No.  What did I say that gave you that idea?  I said the nations will be judged according to how they treat Israel.

I will bless those who bless thee...

[Molly]

I believe that we will also be persecuted, not only by Islam but by traditional evangelical Christianity. After all, we, the heretics are part of the great deception, NOT!

I got a sneak preview of this when Rob Bell went public with "Love Wins" also, Carlton Pearson, Bishop John Spong and others. I've seen it with my own sister who is evangelical. Might as well figure on the gay lobby too.

I think there will also be some wonderful things happening in the Spirit, too. We have some great things to share with those who will listen.  :winkgrin:

I am currently facing some persecution now from my ET church.
Some of the deacons want me ousted from the deacon body.
The head deacon visited me and asked that I keep the UR stuff quiet.
During his visit the phrase "take action" [against me] came out of his mouth.
At least one member, the pastor's father, is shunning me.
The pastor may also be shunning me at this point, but I'm not sure, as he is really sly.
He has not spoken to me in two weeks, whereas he used to be very friendly and loving.
I suspect he wants me to leave.
In a church of 60 people, it's not hard to realize when you are being shunned, so time will tell.
Why do people withdraw their love when you do something they don't like (like posting UR on FaceBook)? :sigh:
Doesn't sound like God's love to me.

I don't know why people do what they do but I guess if they want you to stop on facebook and in the church,  and you want to stay with them, you should honor their wishes.

People are not likely to change.  That's been my experience.  Don't you think that's true?

You can still meet secretly with us lol.

[lomarah]

Yes, the people who once "loved" us now hate us. True love endures all things however... God's love. This is one of the major eye openers as to the true state of things in the churches.... they claim to teach love but have no true love in them for the most part. They do not realize that they are a laughingstock to society... walking in contradiction and hypocrisy... known for preaching "love" but being the most judgemental people of all and most often hating those who disagree with their doctrines. I know firsthand because not so long ago I was one of the worst of them! They are sincerely blinded, believing that what they are doing is right. I pray for them and hope and long for the day when God will open their eyes as He opened mine. It is a horrible place to be, under the doctrine of hellfire and stuck in the pit of condemning those who disagree with you, living in constant fear of the only one who is truly able to love and save you, never able to truly turn to Him with your whole heart because you cannot truly trust Him. Looking forward to the day when He brings us all out from under the bondage of the lies of babylon!!! And thanking and praising Him for opening my eyes to the truth of His love for all, thank you Father!

[Jock]

Sorry, Molly, read it wrong  :dunno2: