The Anti Christ

[eaglesway]

It also has a whiff of "grace has afforded us the opportunity to walk as Christ walked, if we will seek it".

There is a balance to all things,but the kingdom of God calls out,

"Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.  And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect"

God is not judging us, but He is calling us always in, deeper in, to the fellowship and discipleship of His son.:o)

[Jock]

Yes, Paul spoke these things at a certain time to a certain group of people. It is difficult for young Christians who are struggling with issues and if those verses are spoken out of turn, they can become an instrument of condemnation. That was my point.

I hope that the Lord will shape us all in love to be with Christ during the millennium, otherwise it's an extended dirt nap.

Blessings :dunno

[Ken]

Hello Jock,

Absolutely. You are free to do whatever you want. But obtaining entrance into the Kingdom of God requires a learning attitude. Christ said few would be accepted.

So it would appear that we have a choice. We can learn the lessons of life and be leaders in the Kingdom of God. Or, we can be like most Christians and simply ignore the lessons of life.

Either way, we are saved.

Ken

Ken, this has a whiff of the old "don't smoke, drink, cuss, spit or chew or hang around with those who do" By that, I don't mean that we can just go out robbing or partying but this seems to subtract from the liberty that Christ has afforded us. We are free!

Jock

[Jock]

Ken

I, personally have a couple of issues that I struggle with but I'm not in rebellion to God. It's a struggle but the Lord hasn't cast me away. However, the list that Paul gives would pertain to me some years ago, as Paul said "you were all guilty"

" There are none righteous, no, not one" Apart from Christ  :Peace2:

Anyways

Enough said

Jock

[eaglesway]

Yes, Paul spoke these things at a certain time to a certain group of people. It is difficult for young Christians who are struggling with issues and if those verses are spoken out of turn, they can become an instrument of condemnation. That was my point.

I hope that the Lord will shape us all in love to be with Christ during the millennium, otherwise it's an extended dirt nap.

Blessings :dunno

Exactly right Jock, and we MUST all receive and rest in the fact that we are accepted in the beloved- forgiven as we stumble or fall -before we can begin to receive the strength to walk as disciples and makers of disciples.

It is always difficult to yoke the message of mercy with the call to victorious living- but they are yoked, and must stay so, for neither is effective without the other.

What I think the Lord wants us to understand is that He does not want us to overcome just to fulfill some arbitrary standard of righteousness. He wants us to OVERFLOW WITH THE LIFE OF GOD- so that we will shine, and that includes being merciful, compassionate with the weak and encouraging to the struggling disciple- and that perhaps ABOVE ALL. Yet, if we do not see that God HAS made a way to live in victory, and that HE IS ROOTING FOR US- we may fail to seek it, or seeking it, not recieve it "by grace through faith" and wind up thrown back into works based religion, saddled with condemnation and bound in failure.

It is a beautiful struggle we are in, learning that grace is not just the forgiveness of our sins, but also the key to victory over them :o)

[Jock]

Ken and Eaglesway, thank you for your posts and I appreciate both of your hearts. My heart was not in the right condition concerning this. After all these years, I still smoke and there are a couple of other things. Forgive me for my bull headedness.

Sincerely

Jock

[Jock]

Another link for Pat Condell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1PnMWCOeH4

[Molly]

Another link for Pat Condell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1PnMWCOeH4

As smart as he is, it's a shame that Pat Condell, along with just about everybody else these days, doesn't understand that the United States of America was founded on Christian principles by Christians.  Everything we love about this country comes right out of the Bible, and directly from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.   It is God's kingdom that our founders were interested in establishing on earth.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 
Mat 6:33




The Word of God on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness




"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."



--The Unanimous Declaration of the
Thirteen United States of America




The Founding Fathers thought life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were their unalienable rights. Since that day in 1776, Americans have embraced these rights, claimed them, and pursued them.

In the United States,we encourage people to pursue the path they think will best allow them to fully achieve these rights. Hundreds of different theories exist on the best way to get there.

The Bible gives us some insight on the issue.

Let's see what it has to say.



LIFE


"he said to them, 'Take to heart all the words I have solemnly declared to you this day, so that you may command your children to obey carefully all the words of this law. They are not just idle words for you—they are your life. By them you will live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess.'"
Deuteronomy 32:46,47

Why did Moses refer to the Word of God as "your life"? Did he mean the Israelites would physically die if they did not obey the commands of God? Was he referring to spiritual life and death?

Consider the context. Moses is about to die, physically. He has "finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end." (Deuteronomy 31:24) He just finished teaching them the words to the Song of Moses. The Song of Moses declares the work of God. What Moses has seen as he led the people of Israel out of Egypt and through the desert for the past 40 years. Moses is giving them a historical reminder of the past 4 decades from God's perspective.

Now he is telling them these "are not just idle words for you -- they are your life." Moses is telling them to remember the LORD. Remember who He is and what He has done. Moses tells them to live your life as God wants you to.

Now rewind back to the beginning of Deuteronomy. In Chapter 5, Moses introduces the Ten Commandments, the beginning of the law. The same law Moses wrote "from beginning to end" in Chapter 31.

After giving them the Ten Commandments, Moses pauses to see how they will be received. The Israelites respond by telling Moses, "Go near and listen to all that the LORD our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey." (Deuteronomy 5:27)

Moses does. He goes near to God, listens and writes it all down for the Israelites "from beginning to end." But before he does, Moses tells them "The LORD heard you when you spoke to me and the LORD said to me, I have heard what this people said to you. Everything they said was good. Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children for ever!" (Deuteronomy 5:28,29)

I think this is what Moses was referring back to in Deuteronomy 32. He was reminding the Israelites that following all the laws of the LORD "from the beginning to the end" would result in abundant life. Not merely a physical existence, but "that it might go well with them and their children."

The LORD our God intends for life to "go well" for us. Not by the world's standards, not even by our own standards, but by His standards.

There are a lot of things in the law of the LORD requiring discipline and hard work. It was not always easy for the Israelites, but it was always best.

The same is true today. If I want to have the abundant life, I need to follow the commands of God. It's not always easy to "pray continually" or "give thanks in everything" or "rejoice always." But it's best and will ultimately result in living the abundant life God has planned for me.

Remember, "Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" (Matthew 4:4)

There is more to life than food.

Words from the mouth of God are as important as the physical food.

Words from the mouth of God result in life.



LIBERTY


"To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, 'If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'"
John 8:31,32

In America, we think of freedom as the freedom to chose. I can chose who I want to vote for,. I can chose what kind of work I want to do. I can chose what I want to do in my spare time. We think of that as freedom.

Jesus tells us freedom comes from knowing the truth. Most people would probably agree. The more knowledge we have, the better decisions we can make about how to exercise our freedoms. However, the choices we make have to be based on the truth.

People want the freedom to chose what they eat, drink, smoke, snort and ingest. They want the freedom to look a certain way, act a certain way, and think a certain way. They believe they are doing what is best for them based on the truth they know.

But what if the "truth" they know is wrong? What if it's an out and out lie? Then they end up with results they don't want. They made their decisions on incorrect "truth." Jesus says He can solve that problem for us.

Jesus says if I follow His teachings then I will learn the truth. I can't learn it though academic study. I actually have to take some action based on those teachings to experience freedom.

For instance, I can understand in my head Jesus Christ died for my sins and as long as I accept His free gift of eternal life, I will spend eternity in heaven with God. I can intellectually accept this truth. I can pray a prayer or make a confession of faith. But if I continue to try to "do good things" in order to earn my way into heaven, I will not experience the freedom of the good news of Jesus Christ.

Once I rest entirely in the finished work and payment of Jesus Christ, I can experience the freedom that comes from the truth. Now I can "do good things" because I am thankful to God for what He has already done. I'm no longer trying to earn my way into heaven. My position there is secure. I can focus on God and not "doing good things."

For 17 years of my life I was hostage to Satan. I had to do what he wanted me to do. I did not have another choice. Some people say they "do their own thing." They claim to follow neither God, nor Satan. I would contend they are deceiving themselves.

Matthew 25:33 says "He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left." It doesn't say "He will put the sheep on his right hand, the goats on his left, and those who did their own thing can chose where they want to go." I don't think there is really "your own thing." "My own thing" is a clever disguise by Satan . He has convinced me that some idea he planted in my mind long ago is now really "my own thing."

Remember, "the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does." (James 1:25).

Doing the perfect law of God gives freedom.

Doing the perfect law of God results in blessing from God.

Liberty is freedom.

Freedom comes from knowing truth.

The truth comes from the practical application of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

There is no other way to be truly and completely free.

PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS


The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart. The commands of the LORD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.
Psalm 19:8

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines happiness as "a state of well-being and contentment: joy."

I'm choosing to use this definition for my discussion of the pursuit of happiness. Unfortunately, I don't think most people think of happiness as "a state of well-being" or "joy." They think of happiness as an emotion or a feeling. The dictionary definition includes no mention of emotion or feeling. It's a state.

As such, it's a choice. We can chose joy. That's why 1 Thessalonians 5:16 says "be joyful always." Paul recognizes joy as a choice, not a feeling. A feeling is a response. A choice is an act of the will. I can chose by an act of the will to rejoice or to be joyful regardless of the circumstance.

Happiness is often a feeling in response to favorable circumstances. If things work out the way I want, then I'm happy. If things don't work out the way I want then I might feel sad or mad. This is an incorrect view of happiness and joy.

Happiness and joy are a choice. I can choose to be happy, no matter what happens to me. I can rejoice when awful circumstance come my way because I am confident that God knows what's best for me.

David says "The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart." (Psalm 19:8) Precepts is another word for the LORD's commands. As is laws, statutes, decrees, ways, promises, truth, and words.

David says the Word of the LORD gives joy to my heart. If I want to truly pursue happiness and joy, I need to pursue understanding the Word of God. I can only truly understand the Word of the LORD when I apply it to my life situations. I must act based on it.

Remember, Jesus said, "if you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete." (John 15:10,11)

Obey the commands of Jesus and your joy will be complete.




THE PLAN

If you want to gain an appreciation for the truth about achieving life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, invest considerable time learning and understanding Psalm 119.

I once heard a speaker claim every verse in Psalm 119, all 176 referenced the Word of God. So I sat down with my Bible and checked to see if what he said was true. I found two verses I thought might not have a reference to the Word of God. It may depend on the translation I used.

I'll let you make your own judgment. You can use what ever translation you like and see what you find. Maybe you will find the same two I did. Maybe you won't find any. Maybe you will find more. Regardless of how many verses you find that don't refer to the Word of God, you will find that nearly all 176 verses do contain a reference to God's word.

Laws, statutes, precepts, commands, decrees, ways, promises, truth, words. There's lots of ways to tell God you appreciate what He says and David used all of these. Nearly 176 times.

Add one verse from Psalm 119 to your quiet time each day. Meditate on that verse often through out the day. Memorize it if you are so inclined. At the end of six months you will have worked your way through all 176 verses.

When you are done. Start over. Do it again for six more months. At the end of a year, you will have worked your way through Psalm 119 twice. A year of meditation in Psalm 119 will leave you with a greater appreciation for the entire Word of God.

A greater appreciation for the Word of God that results in a greater investment of time in the Word of God will result in the fulfillment of your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://www.practical-discipleship.com/word-of-god-life-liberty-pursuit-of-happiness.html

[Jock]

Well, Molly

It appears that I pricked a patriotic nerve in you. I don't think Pat Condell was trying to offend Americans but more speaking about the state that America finds itself in now. Will it go the way of Europe? I think the globalists have slavery in mind, beware.

[Molly]

Well, Molly

It appears that I pricked a patriotic nerve in you. I don't think Pat Condell was trying to offend Americans but more speaking about the state that America finds itself in now. Will it go the way of Europe? I think the globalists have slavery in mind, beware.

OH, no.  Don't misunderstand me.  Pat Condell usually gets it right--everything, that is, except his atheism.   He amazes me how right he often gets it.   I just wish he knew, really knew, my friend Jesus.  But, maybe, on some level, he does.

I was just making a general comment.

[Jock]

Yes, I'd love to see Pat come to the Lord. I'm sorry if I offended you Molly   :sigh:

Jock

[Molly]

Yes, I'd love to see Pat come to the Lord. I'm sorry if I offended you Molly   :sigh:

Jock

You didn't offend me.  Just trying to clarify what I was doing.  That little paper I quoted from was a gift to me from God through you, so I decided to share it.   Don't ask me how these things work lol.   :friendstu:

[dajomaco]

It is God's kingdom that our founders were interested in establishing on earth.

It is God's kingdom that our founders were interested in establishing on earth.


If the founding fathers of U.S.A. Imagined they could establish the Kingdom of
God in America .The origins of that thought are anti Christ.
Pride in being an American is the strong hold of Satan.

The Kingdom of God, has an economy based on and in Grace.
The grace of God through Christ rules the Kingdom of God.

[Molly]

It is God's kingdom that our founders were interested in establishing on earth.

It is God's kingdom that our founders were interested in establishing on earth.


If the founding fathers of U.S.A. Imagined they could establish the Kingdom of
God in America .The origins of that thought are anti Christ.
Pride in being an American is the strong hold of Satan.

The Kingdom of God, has an economy based on and in Grace.
The grace of God through Christ rules the Kingdom of God.

That's why you're a Canadian, Daj, and still have allegiance to a Queen.



In 1776, 98% of the colonists were Protestant, 1.8% were Catholic and 0.2% were Jewish. Many of the Patriots that fashioned our independence were committed Christians. Secularists have attempted to obscure these facts and Christians have neglected them. Did you know that the published battle cry of the American Revolution was "No King But King Jesus."

Of the founders who met in Philadelphia at the Constitutional Convention, 50 were unquestionably Christian, maybe more as documented by Dr. M.E. Bradford of the University of Dallas in his book, "A Worthy Company."

Samuel Adams, who saw himself as the "last of the Puritans" and is often called "the Father of the American Revolution," said that free citizens could learn of their rights in the Bible. "These [rights] may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament." In 1776, as the Declaration of Independence was being signed, Adams declared "We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come."

Patrick Henry, a noted Christian patriot, best known for his speech before the Virginia House of Burgesses, "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death," recognized the tremendous contribution Christianity made to the founding of America. "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not be religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

John Witherspoon, the only clergyman to sign the Declaration of Independence, was president of the College of New Jersey, known today as Princeton. Witherspoon helped to shape the thinking of many key Americans, including James Madison, who was studying for the ministry. Historian John Eidsmoe wrote that "John Witherspoon is best described as the man who shaped the men who shaped America." Although Witherspoon did not attend the Constitutional Convention, "his influence was multiplied many times over by those who spoke as well by what was said."

George Washington was a vestryman in good standing in the Episcopal Church. In 1891 a twenty-four page manuscript "Daily Sacrifices," written in Washington's own hand, was found among his papers. A sample pray from Washington's book read "O most glorious God, in Jesus Christ my merciful and loving Father, I acknowledge and confess my guilt, in the weak and imperfect performance of the duties of this day. I have called on thee for pardon and forgiveness of sin, but so coldly and carelessly, that my prayers are become my sin and stand in need of pardon."

At Washington's inauguration in 1789, he got down on his knees and kissed the Bible and then led the entire Senate and House of Representatives to an Episcopal Church for a two hour worship service. In Washington's farewell address he wrote that "of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths. . ..And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."



More at

http://www.franklincountyvapatriots.com/2012/08/19/secularism-robs-america-of-our-christian-history/

[Ken]

Hello Jock,

Indeed, you are free to do anything you want - and you will be saved!

But, attaining acceptance into the Kingdom of God to be a leader is an entirely different ball game.  :thumbsup:

Ken

Ken, this has a whiff of the old "don't smoke, drink, cuss, spit or chew or hang around with those who do" By that, I don't mean that we can just go out robbing or partying but this seems to subtract from the liberty that Christ has afforded us. We are free!

Jock

[dajomaco]

In 1776, as the Declaration of Independence was being signed, Adams declared "We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom
come."

The finished work of Jesus the Christ.

The reconciling of each and every individual to the Creature God.

It does not matter how many John Adams make the declaration that they have restored the Sovereign.

Jesus has restored our relationship with our Father and we as individuals
through the Grace of God through Jesus, have the opportunity to enter into that restored relationship .Any time Any where.

To surmise that God would prefer one individual over another in this regard is
historically hilarious.

[Molly]

Did Sam Adams get it right?


In 1776, as the Declaration of Independence was being signed, Adams declared "We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come."




His Holy Church


The Church, the ekklesia

The word 'church' in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word 'ekklesia' which comes from two words 'ek' meaning 'out' and 'kaleo' meaning to 'call.' An ekklesia or 'calling out' was not just an assembly. The words agora and paneguris as well as heorte, koinon, thiasos, sunagoge and sunago can all mean an assembly. The word ekklesia was a political term, not a religious term. Jesus was the King and the Bible used the term ekklesia for a good reason. In classical Greek "ekklesia" meant "an assembly of citizens summoned by the crier, the legislative assembly."1

In Israel the the government assembly, like that of the early Roman Senate, had no power to make law. They were originally composed of the elders of each family group through a network of electors which chose titular representatives. By the time of Christ both the Senate of Rome and the Sanhedrin of Judea had become bodies of legislative rulers exercising authority over the people. They had become a corporate body of "lawmakers" ruling the people through vast bureaucratic systems under a central ruling office of executive power.

Since, the authority of the State in Israel was originally in the hands of the elders of each family the people did not usually gather together to overthrow the corruption of government, since the people had learned to govern themselves. The heads of every household were the princes of Israel. The heads of each family group, which was a true government of the people, for the people, and by the people, under the God of Heaven were free as long as they remained faithful to God's law.


There was, at first, no King in Israel and the original Sanhedrin mentioned in Numbers 11:16 was to stand as a sort of overseer of truth serving the will of God by serving the congregation of the people in righteousness. They were truly titular leaders who served the public and God under the foundational laws of the government, the Ten Commandments. But eventually the voice of the people sought a ruler who could exercise authority and who appointed officers over the people from the top down making new laws of control and oppression. The need for an ekklesia steadily grew again as the people and their governments became more corrupt.

When the Greek city states found their governments had become too corrupt and oppressive, they would call for an ekklesia, an assembly outside the civil authority of the city. If enough people came out and refused to accept the existing centralized civil authority, that government would collapse. Non participation has been a successful and peaceful means to free mankind from oppressive civil authority throughout history.

Like the walk out strikes instituted by Gandhi in hope of freeing his people from oppression of colonization, the act of calling the people out could be a very effective method of obtaining freedom through nonviolence. Gandhi did not only encourage worker strikes, but also practical methods to free society from the need of the corporate benefits and its resulting oppressive civil state. Moses had done the same in Egypt when he taught the people how to live without the exercising authority and benefits of the Pharaoh while still maintaining a viable, cohesive and productive society.

Jesus' procession into Jerusalem was a call for the people to stand against a corrupt oppressive government by offering them a legitimate government that operated differently than Herod the Great. John the Baptist had preached the kingdom of heaven at hand,2 which was nothing less than a government operating by freewill offerings,3 voluntary charitable participation4 and the perfect law of liberty.5 Jesus preached the same method of self government and proclaimed that right for all who would remain faithful to Him. It was a powerful and non violent movement of the people, by the people, and for the people to change the course of history by changing the hearts and minds of men, by altering their relationship with governments of the gentiles with their leaders who called themselves benefactors but who exercised authority.6

The use of the word Church was a poor choice in place of the Greek ekklesia but what men often mean unto evil God turns to good. That word Church has its origin in the meaning of lordship which may be accurate from a certain point of view.

The ekklesia or Church was founded and established by Jesus Christ, Yahshua, almost 2000 years ago. It was a government established by the anointed King and appointed to His "little flock" to look after His Kingdom. Jesus was the rightful king, the highest son of David, proclaimed by many of the people as the Anointed. The trial before the Sanhedrin was an attempt to impeach Him and therefore end His appointed government. The Pharisees had given the ultimate right to choose who should be king of God's kingdom to the Romans back in the days of Pompey. [8]

[8] In 66 BC, two brothers, Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II, had begun to battle for the power of the king. Aristobulus appealed to the world of Rome, and a multi national military force was sent as peace keepers.
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Luke 22:29 "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;"

Jesus was recognized as the king by the existing world government when Pontius Pilate nailed his official proclamation of Christ's kingdom to the cross, which was sealed for all time in the blood of an innocent man. Jesus and His little flock of followers, the called out [ekklesia], were persecuted by the apostate church of that day who abandoned the house of David proclaiming they had no king but Caesar. [9]

[9] John 19:15 "But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar."
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At Pentecost thousands of Jews, citizens of Judea, and others were baptized into that government by the appointed followers of the proclaimed and recognized king. All who became members of that kingdom of Heaven were cast out7 of the existing system of benefits offered through the Corban of the Pharisees and began to live a new life according to the precepts of God's government, by faith, hope and charity, and the perfect law of liberty.

God is the same, man is the same, sin is the same. Abraham was called out and eventually brought out many souls. Moses was called back to Egypt, assisted the people through the famines, teaching them the ways of God. He and Israel were cast out of Egypt but had to learn the ways of liberty under God. The people returned to sin with their golden calf and the Levites were called out to become the church in the wilderness. [10]

[10] Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"
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Are we turning away from God's ways and back to the sin of Cain?

The good news of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has been shared with the world. His ekklesia was persecuted. Its chief executive officer is the Holy Spirit, its King is Jesus and its Ruling Judge is YHWH, God the Father. YaHWeH has given all power and authority to Jesus, Yahshua, who in turn has sent us the Holy Spirit to comfort us in our journey toward the kingdom of God.

Salvation is returning to the Character of the Father like the Son. It is self-sacrifice, service and obedience that we must get right.

What is not the CHURCH?
There are a lot of things the Church is not but at least: It is not established by anyone but Jesus. It is not to hold lordship of one over the other. It is not to go under the authority of others nor lead men into bondage where some men will rule over mankind. It is not to scatter the flock but bring them together in charity and love. It is to serve the people so that they do not have to apply or pray to other fathers of the earth for gifts, gratuities and benefits that would bring the people back into the bondage of Egypt and make the word of God to non effect. The Church is servants of Christ to preach the kingdom, feed His flock under the perfect law of liberty.

Who can define His Holy Church?

CHURCH "In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate his doctrines and ordinances."

"A body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of one faith, and the observance of the same rituals and ceremonies." Black's Law Dictionary 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th eds.

How do we get into this government of Jesus Christ, this kingdom of Heaven on Earth? Must we die to get into the Kingdom of Heaven?

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. (Mark 12:27)

What and where is the key to the Kingdom of Heaven?

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my ekklesia (make my coming out); and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:17-19)

What is the form of His government? How does Heaven run its government, its ekklesia, here on earth?

"But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:25-28)

Are you in a government which exercises dominion over you? If you are, then you are not in a government established by Jesus the Christ and the form of your government is not Christian.

Let every man remain subject to his superior authority; but should you go under authority in exchange for benefits and gratuities?

"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid." (1 Corinthians 6:12-14)

Have you sold the sweat of your brow and gone under the authority and power of another?

Have you sold your land in exchange for gifts and benefits?

"Behold, we [are] servants this day, and [for] the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good thereof, behold, we [are] servants in it:" Nehemiah 9:36

And because of all this we make a sure covenant, and write it; and our princes, Levites, and priests, seal unto it. Nehemiah 9:38

Have we taken the mark of the beast?

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. ..." (Revelation 22:12-18)

http://www.hisholychurch.net/ekklesia.php

[Molly]

Born in Zion.  His Holy Church



His foundation is in the holy mountains.

2 The Lord loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.

4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.

5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.

6 The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.

7 As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

--Psa 87

[dajomaco]

Are you in a government which exercises dominion over you? If you are, then you are not in a government established by Jesus the Christ and the form of your government is not Christian.

So Molly-, Paul had it wrong when he said this in Romans
[ A Christian's Duties to the State ] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

Once again I reiterate the Pride Americans have in the false
notion that they are a Christian Nation is a Satanic stronghold.   

[Molly]

Are you in a government which exercises dominion over you? If you are, then you are not in a government established by Jesus the Christ and the form of your government is not Christian.

So Molly-, Paul had it wrong when he said this in Romans
[ A Christian's Duties to the State ] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

Once again I reiterate the Pride Americans have in the false
notion that they are a Christian Nation is a Satanic stronghold.

I don't know what you're talking about Daj.  We're not a Christian country anymore.  Didn't you know that?  Our fearless leader says so.

But, Christ is still there, waiting for his people to return to him, calling them out.

[dajomaco]

What and where is the key to the Kingdom of Heaven?

1) What is the key to the kingdom of God.

The key to the kingdom of Heaven is a gift given to those
chosen by the giver.
Given for no other reason than his(GOD ) good pleasure.

2) Where is the key to the Kingdom of heaven.

I know were one of the keys are it's in side of me.

[Molly]

nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

--Luke 17:21


The kingdom of God is among you


For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them."

Mat 18:20

[dajomaco]

Well Molly it's easier for me to make my point,
if can lump all Americans together. (put tongue in cheek here)

As a true Canadian we want all of the benefits of being American
without any of the responsibility of the decisions made by America.

As a Canadian who lives close to the border of USA.(99% of us do)
We can be critical of your military superiority and still have all the benefits
of it's safety. That way we can keep our superior attitude and say we Canadians would
never do what you Americans do.   

Pontius Pilot washed his hands ,but Jesus was the only one clean.

[Jock]

I don't know that there is any such thing as a Christian country, at least I can't think of one. I think that the US has more per capita than any other country. Christians of every stripe

Anyway, I don't think it matters much  :dontknow:

[Molly]

I think there will be sheep nations and goat nations at the end of the age, with the goat nations being the antichrist nations.



And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  Mat 25:32


1 Samuel 2:10 those who oppose the LORD will be broken. The Most High will thunder from heaven; the LORD will judge the ends of the earth. "He will give strength to his king and exalt the horn of his anointed."


Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:  Mat 25:34