The Anti Christ

[Jock]

I was wondering what you guys think about the anti-Christ. I was reading a book by Joel Richardson called, "The Islamic Antichrist". This fella has done his homework and spends most of his time in the middle east. Shia muslims (particularly in Iran) are waiting for the return of their saviour, known as "The Mahdi or 12th Imman" His characteristics in the book seem to run in concord with the descriptors of the anti-Christ in the Bible.

This is supposed to take place when the world is in turmoil. The Mahdi is to lead his armies and slaughter anyone who refuses Allah, to eventually turn the world into a new muslim Caliphate.

The book is worth a read

Jock

[Ken]

Hello Jock,

The Antichrist will arise at the end-times, which we are clearly not even close to. Specific events must occur before that time period can even be identified. Check out the two lists towards the bottom of:

http://ernestlmartin.com/ekklesia.htm

For more information on what the Bible has to say on the Antichrist, I suggest these articles:

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/ASK?sitesearch=askelm.com&q=ANTICHRIST&sa=Google+Search

Sorry, but I haven't read the book you mentioned.

Ken

[musicman]

I just caught him speak on this channel : http://www.jewishvoice.ca/media/television-show/  most recent video.  What he says seems to ring some truth.  we will find out one day won't we. 

[Jock]

Thanks guys for your input. Ken, you say we are a long ways off because of certain events occurring. While I think you're right, "events" are occurring pretty fast these days and the players seem to be in place. Much of prophecy is a mystery to me though. Oh well   :dontknow:

Jock

Damascus is certainly a ruinous heap.

[Jock]

I heard that Obama just sold 400 M1 Abrahms tank to Morsi in Egypt. The Muslim brotherhood are itching to destroy Israel. This is sheer hypocrisy on Obama's part when Susan Rice is busy railing on Russia and Iran for selling arms to Syria.

What next?

[Jock]

Sorry, it was 200 tanks and some f16 fighter jets. An army all by itself.

[Jock]

This is a man named "Walid Shoebat" who once was a terrorist in the PLO. Now he speaks for Christ and has a great knowledge of Islam and of course, the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O30UNBrj5s

[Molly]

This is a man named "Walid Shoebat" who once was a terrorist in the PLO. Now he speaks for Christ and has a great knowledge of Islam and of course, the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O30UNBrj5s

I love Walid.  I think God has raised him up for these end times.  Who else could understand the passages of the Bible that he explains to Christians?  I talk a lot about these things over on the prophecy thread.   People ask, why are you reading the news?  I'm not, I'm reading the Bible.   The Caliphate is being raised up [brought back to life] right before our very eyes.  Who does the man think those arab countries are going to use their new war toys, that we are giving them, against?  Who is Egypt's 'enemy'?  We are marching towards the war of armaggedon and nobody is even noticing it. 

Richardson is good, too.  Their Messiah is the Mahdi who bears a startling resemblance to our Antichrist.  If you like fiction, I recommend Joel Rosenberg, too.  His newest book, the latest in a series, is Countdown to Damascus.  Great book.

[Jock]

Cool, Molly

:iagree:

[Jock]

Molly, I live in the UK but as I peer out over the landscape I see what appears to be Obama actually weakening America and strengthening other countries. Am I wrong?

Jock

[Jock]

Mind you, how much do we believe on the media?

[Molly]

Molly, I live in the UK but as I peer out over the landscape I see what appears to be Obama actually weakening America and strengthening other countries. Am I wrong?

Jock

I believe there are books written about that very subject.

But, I would trust what the Holy Spirit is showing you.  He will guide you into all truth.

[Molly]

Today's headlines


Tsarnaev family received $100G in benefits

The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

"The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning," said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.



http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits




Welfare Jihad: Islamist Calls Taxpayers "Slaves", Encourages Muslims to Go On Welfare


It's at places like these that the Red and Green alliance between Socialism and Islamism really comes together. The left wants to redistribute wealth from the natives. The Islamists want to oppress their Christian and Jewish slaves and take their money.

"We are on Jihad Seekers Allowance, We take the Jizya (protection money paid to Muslims by non-Muslims) which is ours anyway."

The normal situation is to take money from the Kafir (non-Muslim), isn't it? So this is normal situation."

Anjem Choudary has been recorded telling followers to claim benefits as part of their struggle to bring sharia law to the UK.


The 45-year-old former lawyer added: 'We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming. Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim in Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim. These people are like a tsunami going across Europe."


http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/welfare-jihad-islamist-calls-taxpayers-slaves-encourages-muslims-to-go-on-welfare/

[marie glen]

Molly, I live in the UK but as I peer out over the landscape I see what appears to be Obama actually weakening America and strengthening other countries. Am I wrong?

Jock

No, you're, imo, not wrong.. also, the office he's in (Obama, that is) is one specifically pointed out by Rev 13:13, the office which released fire from the sky to earth in the sight of men, which persuaded them to rebuild the world body(beast, verses 1-10) which had expired when its head didn't sign on after all (I'm mixing scripture and history). See if you can see it (most in mainstream don't I think) rev 13:13 (pasted)...
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." People think of the Anti-Christ as only a specific person, but this verse shows it as an office, he is at one time in, then, imo, steps into the prime seat of the world body/beast of the days, which "gives breath" (authority) to this world body/image with (in final days) a circle of ten crowns/seats?
"And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak..." (13:15)

[marie glen]

Today's headlines


Tsarnaev family received $100G in benefits

The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

"The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning," said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.



http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits




Welfare Jihad: Islamist Calls Taxpayers "Slaves", Encourages Muslims to Go On Welfare


It's at places like these that the Red and Green alliance between Socialism and Islamism really comes together. The left wants to redistribute wealth from the natives. The Islamists want to oppress their Christian and Jewish slaves and take their money.

"We are on Jihad Seekers Allowance, We take the Jizya (protection money paid to Muslims by non-Muslims) which is ours anyway."

The normal situation is to take money from the Kafir (non-Muslim), isn't it? So this is normal situation."

Anjem Choudary has been recorded telling followers to claim benefits as part of their struggle to bring sharia law to the UK.


The 45-year-old former lawyer added: 'We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming. Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim in Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim. These people are like a tsunami going across Europe."


http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/welfare-jihad-islamist-calls-taxpayers-slaves-encourages-muslims-to-go-on-welfare/

...you said it Molly  :iagree: :gthumbsup:
it's plain to see western civilization (which was turned on its ear via the false prophet/teaching) is going the way of socialism.. it's also apparent for those who look, to see Islam steadily infiltrating the world body of the un, and also within the nations as you pointed out..

with socialism thinking to harness Islam

as you wrote: "It's at places like these that the Red and Green alliance between Socialism and Islamism really comes together. The left wants to redistribute wealth from the natives. The Islamists want to oppress their Christian and Jewish slaves and take their money."

and the thinking to harness Islam will result in rev 20:4,b (Daniel 12:11)

[Jock]

Oh! I know Anjem Chowdry and his stain on British society. You are right about welfare too

Here is a link by Pat Condell who has a word or two for Anjem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winu_C_X5mw :laugh:

[Jock]

Caution. Pat Condell is quite forward, a straight talker but I like his views Muslims, Middle East and the Palestinians.

[Molly]

Oh! I know Anjem Chowdry and his stain on British society. You are right about welfare too

Here is a link by Pat Condell who has a word or two for Anjem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winu_C_X5mw :laugh:

Pat Condell has an amazing brain.

"dhimmis-in-waiting in the multicultural appeasement lobby..."


"the Third World pressure group that we call the united nations..."

:laugh:



This one's old but it's a classic--The crooked Judges of Amsterdam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZUZ9CPZII

"...when the truth is no defense, there is no defense, and the law has no anchor."

[Molly]

No, you're, imo, not wrong.. also, the office he's in (Obama, that is) is one specifically pointed out by Rev 13:13, the office which released fire from the sky to earth in the sight of men, which persuaded them to rebuild the world body(beast, verses 1-10) which had expired when its head didn't sign on after all (I'm mixing scripture and history). See if you can see it (most in mainstream don't I think) rev 13:13 (pasted)...
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." People think of the Anti-Christ as only a specific person, but this verse shows it as an office, he is at one time in, then, imo, steps into the prime seat of the world body/beast of the days, which "gives breath" (authority) to this world body/image with (in final days) a circle of ten crowns/seats?
"And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak..." (13:15)

Marie, I think I've finally figured out what you have been saying over on the prophecy thread.

It's very interesting.   I think, though, that at some point, Satan will actually indwell a man, because he chooses to take the place of and imitate Christ who had the fulness of the godhead bodily.

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

--2 Thess 2:3

and the thinking to harness Islam will result in rev 20:4,b (Daniel 12:11)

...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

--Rev 20:4



11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
--Dan 12

[Jock]

I believe that we will also be persecuted, not only by Islam but by traditional evangelical Christianity. After all, we, the heretics are part of the great deception, NOT!

I got a sneak preview of this when Rob Bell went public with "Love Wins" also, Carlton Pearson, Bishop John Spong and others. I've seen it with my own sister who is evangelical. Might as well figure on the gay lobby too.

I think there will also be some wonderful things happening in the Spirit, too. We have some great things to share with those who will listen.  :winkgrin:

[eaglesway]

The baby is crowning, the woman is groaning, the dragon is licking his lips, but the man-child will crush his head.

"You will wound his heel, but he shall crush your head"

"Shall a nation be born in a day?"

"Shall the Lord bring to bear and not bring to birth?"

"In that day, the Lord will pierce Leviathan the twisting fleeing serpent with the sword of His mouth. In that day, sing of it, a vineyard, the Lord waters it every day....."

"The word of the Lord is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, bone and marrow, making manifest the thoughts and intentions of the heart. All things are open to Him with whom we have to do."

"And his eyes were as flames of fire and a sharp two-edged sword came out of His mouth"

"Nothing is hidden that will not be brought to light."

"Until we all attain unto a mature man, unto to the measure of the stature of the fulness of the son of God. Henceforth we will no longer be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, by the scheming and craftiness of men.....but spoeaking the truth in love we will grow up in all things into the Head."


"That He might lead many sons unto glory"

[Ken]

Hello Jock,

You are right, events are speeding up. But, the Temple must be rebuilt (and they don't even know the correct location - see my post on the subject, below) and, it is to be financed by the "King of Persia" (Iran). What are the chances of that happening anytime soon?

The progression of events is more a reflection on the Illuminati's desire to get back on track and establish a One World Government (which we understand as the rule of the Antichrist in the end-times). They are already decades behind by their previous timetable. What they don't understand is that God has His timetable and He is the one who is really in charge.

Learn more about the Illuminati here: http://ernestlmartin.com/index5.htm#illuminati

Also check out my other post on Daniel's 10 Kingdoms (also below), as drawn up by the Illuminati.

Thanks.

Ken

Thanks guys for your input. Ken, you say we are a long ways off because of certain events occurring. While I think you're right, "events" are occurring pretty fast these days and the players seem to be in place. Much of prophecy is a mystery to me though. Oh well   :dontknow:

Jock

Damascus is certainly a ruinous heap.

[Jock]

Wow, Ken. That is a lot of reading and so much of it rings true. I think you are right about the Illuminati and I'm sure they are knowingly or even unwittingly preparing the stage for the evil empire of the anti-Christ, however, our God reigns and always will. I hope to be here for the 1000 year reign of Christ rather than be taking a dirt nap.

Thanks brother.

[Ken]

Hello Jock,

Now you are bringing up another great question. Will we be there for the 1,000 year reign of Christ? This is the big question that all of us need to be asking ourselves. Check out this article for the answer:

http://ernestlmartin.com/kingdomofgod-firstresurrection.htm

Ken

[Jock]

Ken, this has a whiff of the old "don't smoke, drink, cuss, spit or chew or hang around with those who do" By that, I don't mean that we can just go out robbing or partying but this seems to subtract from the liberty that Christ has afforded us. We are free!

Jock