Why is Cain not listed in Adams descendent?

[eaglesway]

Ok, so the Son is YHWH eh? Interesting.

[Molly]

There are only three named men in the Bible who are given the title, son of God:  Adam, Melchizedek, and Jesus.  Are they men in the sense that we are?  Maybe not quite.



Adam:

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. [Luke 3]

who was a pattern of the one to come.  [Rom 5:14]



Melchizedek

Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! [Heb 7]




Jesus


He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life... Now there have been many of those [Levite] priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:13-16, 23-28



Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[VineBranch]

The father is El-Elyon.  The mother is El-Shaddai.  The son is Yahweh.  Spirit is feminine in Hebew and Greek, so it seems to be rather self defining in the Deity.

Could you say that one again slowly.  Because a word is feminine in a language, the entity to which it refers is feminine?  Both 'sailor' and 'farmer' in Latin are feminine.

[ded2daworld]

Male=giver
female=reciever

God is the ultimate male. Every human receives all from him. That's why, earthly male and female, we are his bride. The manliest earthly man is a woman compared to God. As woman came out of man, we came out of God. :2c:

[Molly]

re:  Maybe not quite.   



Adam   CREATED, not born

Melchizedek  "LIKE" son of God , neither father nor mother

Jesus    ONLY BEGOTTEN ,   Gal 4:4 born of a woman

So much yet to learn about these three men... I wonder is Melchizedek the physical representation (Gen 14) of the new man??

Adam is created as the figure of him that was  to come

"figure"
G5179
τύπος
tupos
too'-pos
From G5180; a die (as struckthat is, (by implication) a stamp or scar; by analogy a shape, that is, a statue, (figuratively) style or resemblance; specifically a sampler ("type"), that is, a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning): - en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.




Melchizedek is the King of Salem.  Where is Salem?  Who is its King?


God is known in Judah; His name is great in Israel.

His abode has been established in Salem, his dwelling place in Zion.

--Psa 76:1,2

[ded2daworld]

Salem is Jeru-salem :2c:

[Molly]

Salem is Jeru-salem :2c:

Above or below?


It's only mentioned 4 times in our Bible.  Three with reference to Melchizedek.

This is the fourth


In Judah is God known: his name is great in Israel.

2 In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion.

3 There brake he the arrows of the bow, the shield, and the sword, and the battle. Selah.

--Psalm 76

[ded2daworld]

I believe above since Jerusalem has been anything but a land of peace since it's inception.

[eaglesway]

There are only three named men in the Bible who are given the title, son of God:  Adam, Melchizedek, and Jesus.  Are they men in the sense that we are?  Maybe not quite.



Adam:

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. [Luke 3]

who was a pattern of the one to come.  [Rom 5:14]



Melchizedek

Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! [Heb 7]




Jesus


He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life... Now there have been many of those [Levite] priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:13-16, 23-28



Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Adam didnt live forever and he had a definite beginning of days. As our progenitor he was , "as we are", in Adam one and the same.

I am wary of anything that makes Adam or Jesus of "different raw material" than we are because Adams defeat is ours in Him and Jesus' victory is ours in Him- only two vines, we are in one or the other, sons of disobedience or sons of God.

This is why "as in Adam all die so also in Christ all will be made alive.

17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

This is the weakness that makes Him a sympathetic priest and a suitable go between.

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God  which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,  concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,  and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

This is the indestructible life that validates Jesus' priesthood- resurrection from the dead. No one else has that, nor was anyoe else born f the seed of David, another element of Jesus' sonship.

This is what makes Him the unique Son and the firstborn from among the dead so IMO Melchizedek, if he is Jesus, is some sort of tetragrammaton of the Word pre-incarnation.

[ded2daworld]

Agreed...except Adam was different from us in that he was the only created human(not born of man or woman) AND he did not have (originally) sinful blood. - It may even have been identical to the blood of Jesus, coming directly from the Holy Spirit/Father.

A sci/fi film "The Omega Man" had Charlton Heston, being persecuted by "the living dead" as a virus(sin) killed the zombies off. Hestons blood was incorruptible concerning the deadly virus and he eventually found out that injecting his own blood into the living dead would "Raise them to walk in the newness of new life from his blood. In the end, he gives a jar of his blood to some he had rescued as the zombies killed him at a fountain while he was in the crucifixion pose. "There is a fountain filled with blood flowing from Immanuels veins, and sinners/zombies washed/transfused by this blood lose all their guilty stains/zombie attributes.

They had Will Smith do a remake but it didn't have nearly the symbolism. The remake was called, "I am Legend"

[Lazarus Short]

Agreed...except Adam was different from us in that he was the only created human(not born of man or woman) AND he did not have (originally) sinful blood. - It may even have been identical to the blood of Jesus, coming directly from the Holy Spirit/Father.

It is doubtful that Adam or Eve had blood as we know it, before the fall and curse.  Adam called Eve bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  After man's redemption is finished, in the later chapters of the Revelation, again there is no mention of blood.

[ded2daworld]

Exactly - none of us know what it is like NOT to have sinful Blood except Adam and Eve,
If they did NOT have blood they wouldn't have been human. Heaven- flesh and bone
Earth - flesh and blood -"the natural man"

[eaglesway]

IMO, Adam most definitely had blood from the beginning, and Jesus still has blood today.

[Molly]

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
--1 Cor 15:50


1 Corinthians 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

[redhotmagma]

I believe Adam was created marred, not perfect.  If he was perfect he could not have "fallen".  The man (male and female) in Gen 1 is the new man IMO.  All of Genesis 1 is a prophecy, the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.  The 7 days of creation are the phases of growing up into the fullness of the head.

God called into darkness let there be light,and the light shined in our hearts.  DAY 1.

Let us therefore enter into his rest.  DAy 7

[Molly]

Or you could argue that Adam is the 8th day man,  the circumcision, the first covenant man.

[redhotmagma]

I'll create a new thread Anna.

[VineBranch]

It is doubtful that Adam or Eve had blood as we know it, before the fall and curse.  Adam called Eve bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  After man's redemption is finished, in the later chapters of the Revelation, again there is no mention of blood.

Laz, how would the oxygen circulate through their bodies?  If they had no blood, why would God have needed to give them breath?

[Molly]

The English word spirit is from the Latin word spiritus meaning 'breath.'

Inspiration, a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation.

The breath of God is called the Holy Spirit--ruach [Hebrew] and pneuma [Greek].


The breath of God is the 'life-giving spirit.'

And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death -

--Rom 8:2


Instead of the blood being the life of the body, now, the Spirit is the life of the body.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

[eaglesway]

I believe Adam was created marred, not perfect.  If he was perfect he could not have "fallen".  The man (male and female) in Gen 1 is the new man IMO.  All of Genesis 1 is a prophecy, the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.  The 7 days of creation are the phases of growing up into the fullness of the head.

God called into darkness let there be light,and the light shined in our hearts.  DAY 1.

Let us therefore enter into his rest.  DAy 7

I believe Adam was created free, and that was the mar. The mar is now becoming perfection, weakness becoming strength, as Adam cries out in Christ, nevertheless not my will but thine be done and the second Adam is overcomes the first.

[VineBranch]

Instead of the blood being the life of the body, now, the Spirit is the life of the body.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

I was actually talking about then.

[VineBranch]

The English word spirit is from the Latin word spiritus meaning 'breath.'

It also means, breathing, soul, air, and life.

[eaglesway]

Instead of the blood being the life of the body, now, the Spirit is the life of the body.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

The blood of Jesus is made effective by the Spirit for certain, but the idea that there is no blood in Him, that He was resurrected bloodless, has no empirical scriptural backing. It is an interpretation and a subjective opinion- which doesnt make it wrong- It just shouldnt be presented as a fact.

[VineBranch]

The blood of Jesus is made effective by the Spirit for certain, but the idea that there is no blood in Him, that He was resurrected bloodless, has no empirical scriptural backing. It is an interpretation and a subjective opinion- which doesnt make it wrong- It just shouldnt be presented as a fact.

I thought we were talking about Adam and Eve and the blood.  I'm getting a pair or sneakers.

[Molly]

Instead of the blood being the life of the body, now, the Spirit is the life of the body.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

The blood of Jesus is made effective by the Spirit for certain, but the idea that there is no blood in Him, that He was resurrected bloodless, has no empirical scriptural backing. It is an interpretation and a subjective opinion- which doesnt make it wrong- It just shouldnt be presented as a fact.

You're right.  I went too far out on a limb with this.  I'll just say:

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom
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We are part of his flesh and of his bones

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For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

--Eph 5:30