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Why is Cain not listed in Adams descendent?

Started by misszoolander, February 01, 2013, 10:05:36 PM

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Molly

Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: eaglesway on February 13, 2013, 06:49:10 AM
The blood of Jesus is made effective by the Spirit for certain, but the idea that there is no blood in Him, that He was resurrected bloodless, has no empirical scriptural backing. It is an interpretation and a subjective opinion- which doesnt make it wrong- It just shouldnt be presented as a fact.

I thought we were talking about Adam and Eve and the blood.  I'm getting a pair or sneakers.

You asked about the breath.  Trying to answer your question.

Molly

Quote from: eaglesway on February 13, 2013, 06:49:10 AM

Quote from: Molly on February 13, 2013, 06:20:20 AM
Instead of the blood being the life of the body, now, the Spirit is the life of the body.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.




The blood of Jesus is made effective by the Spirit for certain, but the idea that there is no blood in Him, that He was resurrected bloodless, has no empirical scriptural backing. It is an interpretation and a subjective opinion- which doesnt make it wrong- It just shouldnt be presented as a fact.

Or again, he changes water to wine, wine to blood, and blood to Spirit.

The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

--1 Cor 45


Molly

John 3:5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [Jn 1:13]


James 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

VineBranch

I guess my point is this ... if Adam wasn't flesh and blood, and he wasn't an air breather, then in some way he was not what I know to be human.  If he was not human he cannot represent me or any other human as the first man.  That's just the thought which brought me here.

Lazarus Short

Adam was certainly an air breather, for that's how he got the breath of life.  As to flesh and blood, it is not proven, only guessed, that he lacked blood (as we know it) at the beginning.  The Biblical account makes it clear that Adam was fully human.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

sheila

red blood cells have no nuclear dna nor mitochondrial dna.  It is a symbol of LIFE from the spirit and

not flesh.   Blood is what He has made His atonement and sacrifice and covenant with.  Jesus Blood was just

like ours. The Blood feeds and nourishes..flesh of my flesh.  When sin entered Adam..his blood become

like that of a dead man...incapable of sustaining life eternally.  due to no dna in red blood cells they can not

repair themselves.  Bone marrow must make new ones...bone of my bone.   A contentious wife[soul] is

decay in the very bones.  A striken spirit is dryness to the bones..

He says...I will not contend with man forever..in that he is but flesh.

    The covenant of blood/life is in mans heart........He placed the blood/life in our heart as a living sign....

  He placed eternal life in our hearts.

   A spirit hath not flesh and bones..however, the eternal spirit is a life-giving quickening spirit..that makes

  that which is mortal put on immortality.

  THERE'S POWER IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB

Molly

Quote from: VineBranch on February 13, 2013, 04:55:08 PM
I guess my point is this ... if Adam wasn't flesh and blood, and he wasn't an air breather, then in some way he was not what I know to be human.  If he was not human he cannot represent me or any other human as the first man.  That's just the thought which brought me here.


Maybe because you don't know who you are?


Please note the two different words--lambkin versus lamb



everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.

--Rev 13:8




"lamb"


G721
ἀρνίον
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.



The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.  Jn 1:29


"Lamb"

G286
ἀμνός
amnos
am-nos'
Apparently a primary word; a lamb: - lamb.



Now this word "Lamb" used in 1:29 is only used three more times in the New Testament. The other
occurrences are found in John 1:36, Acts 8:32 and 1 Peter 1:19. All the other 31 times where "lamb" is used
(thirty times in Revelation) the word does not refer to Jesus specifically, but possibly could by implication.
The Greek in all these other occurrences means "lambkin." In other words, the "lambkin" means a company or
group of lambs or a diminutive term for lamb. The many places where this occurs in the book of Revelation
causes a tremor in the normal interpretation of the book, but also enlivens the true meaning.

http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/pdf/WELLER,%20CHARLES%20W/LAMB%20OR%20LAMBKIN%20[Charles%20W.%20Weller]%20Year%201994.pdf



This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

---Gen 5




When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people--praise from all who believe. And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him.
--2 Thess 1:10

eaglesway

When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them "Mankind" when they were created.

A better translation IMO
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

ded2daworld

Going back to the original question, "Why is Cain not listed in Adams descendent?"
Cain IS Adams descendent. He is Adams son and therefore a descendant. If you mean why didn't the Bible follow all the descendants of Adam until the flood, then there would be an incredibly boring section of the Bible. Just like the Bible says, "and Adam had many other sons and daughters."  - those kids aren't mentioned either because it is only the line of Seth leading to Noah which is important. :2c:

eaglesway

The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/