Did Jesus die

[micah7:9]

A simple answer of yes or no is required. Did Jesus Christ die H4191..mûth G599.. apothnēskō? :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

yup

[Lazarus Short]

Yes.

[CHB]

Yes.

CHB

[ded2daworld]

As I told you in a PM, yes

[micah7:9]

 :dsunny:

[marie glen]

The Bible says He was 3 nights and 3 days in the lower part of the earth, which of course is the grave -- tartarus, the darkness, not a 'hell', being the chains the angels which left their first place is imperfection because imperfection cannot reverse its course and make itself again perfect being imperfect. The interpretation that Jesus went and "preached to the souls in prison" while in the grave, is a misreading of the verse, which simply says the Spirit preaching, is the same Spirit of Jesus when He preached to the souls awaiting the flood in unbelief, while Noah was building the ark.

And Hebrews 2:14 says "by death Jesus defeated death".
:smile:

[micah7:9]

The Bible says, Mat 12:40  for, as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Which of course is not, "...which of course is the grave -- tartarus, the darkness, not a 'hell',..."

Glory Hallelujah! And Hebrews 2:14 says "by death Jesus defeated death". :dsunny: :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[k1ngm3]

Why was this question even asked? Surely we do not have in our midst someone who would ascribe to that most implausible of theories rejected by even the vast majority of non-Christian historians: swoon theory? Surely not! You, OP, were presumably able to open your web browser by yourself, and enter in your username and password without assistance, and to type and post your message, so surely you must be too intelligent to fall for such rubbish! I dare not ascribe to you the stupidity and/or psychological illness that would be required to believe such a notion!

[jabcat]

While believing the scriptures to the best of our current understanding, there are various opinions of certain details and interpretations, and we can discuss them pleasantly.  I anticipated this being a soul sleep thread, :bigGrin:  so I was waiting for further conversation to begin rather than a simple 'yes'/'no'.

As I understand, Jonah's BODY was hidden, buried - his spirit lived.  Yes,  I do believe Jesus' flesh died and was in the grave for 3 days.  I personally don't believe the Divine, the YHWH in Him ever died.  Blessings.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith2.html

To say Christ died spiritually is to reduce Him to the level of sinful man, and breed doubt to His divinity and deity in union with the [Father].  God cannot die, so how can this be possible? Christ was put to death in the flesh, not the spirit (1 Pet 3:18). ..the Bible does say is Christ died a physical death - offering His body as the sacrifice for our sin. The Scriptures tell us our redemption took place at the cross when the blood of Jesus was shed, and by offering His flesh as the atonement for sin. The blood of Christ is what we have been purchased with (Acts 20:28; Col. 1:14), for bringing us into reconciliation or at-one-ment with God. Paul draws attention to everything regarding the death of Christ as bodily, with no mention of Him ever dying otherwise. The significance of Christ's body is important as paying attention to because it is the antitype of the New Testament sacrifice. (Rom.8:3; Eph. 2:15; Col.1:22). "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb 2:14).

[Lazarus Short]

I don't know book/chapter/verse on this, but did Jesus not say that He had the power to lay His life down, and to take it up again??

[k1ngm3]

John 10:16 (ASV) reads:

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

It was at the Father's command, by the Son's authority, and by (per Rom. 8:11) the Spirit's power that Jesus was resurrected.
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[ded2daworld]

John 10:18
No one takes it away from Me. On the contrary, I lay it down voluntarily. [I put it from Myself.] I am authorized and have power to lay it down (to resign it) and I am authorized and have power to take it back again. These are the instructions (orders) which I have received [as My charge] from My Father.
John 10:17-19

[micah7:9]

John 10:16 (ASV) reads:

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

It was at the Father's command, by the Son's authority, and by (per Rom. 8:11) the Spirit's power that Jesus was resurrected.
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Why? (the book I mean)

[VineBranch]

The Bible says, Mat 12:40  for, as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Which of course is not, "...which of course is the grave -- tartarus, the darkness, not a 'hell',..."

Glory Hallelujah! And Hebrews 2:14 says "by death Jesus defeated death". :dsunny: :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

Don't be shy Micah, tell us what you think.

[VineBranch]

John 10:16 (ASV) reads:

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

It was at the Father's command, by the Son's authority, and by (per Rom. 8:11) the Spirit's power that Jesus was resurrected.
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Hi K1ngm3.  I know I'm going to come across as a parade rain maker, but the first rule I read when I explored what was and was not allowed here was this:

1. You may not advertise merchandise and or any network marketing schemes.

I don't have the authority to ask you to take your advertisement down, but I thought you should be aware that what you are doing violates one of the rules.  If you would like to check it out, the pathway is Home/Expectations, FAQ, Admin Posts/What you MAY NOT DO:  third line down under the heading.

[k1ngm3]

John 10:16 (ASV) reads:

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

It was at the Father's command, by the Son's authority, and by (per Rom. 8:11) the Spirit's power that Jesus was resurrected.
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Buy my book The Superior Religion? Christianity and the Human Condition at Amazon!

Hi K1ngm3.  I know I'm going to come across as a parade rain maker, but the first rule I read when I explored what was and was not allowed here was this:

1. You may not advertise merchandise and or any network marketing schemes.

I don't have the authority to ask you to take your advertisement down, but I thought you should be aware that what you are doing violates one of the rules.  If you would like to check it out, the pathway is Home/Expectations, FAQ, Admin Posts/What you MAY NOT DO:  third line down under the heading.

Aye-aye, cap'n! I'll alter my signature(that's all it was)  so that way it's no different from when others recommend books of their own, posts of their own, or links to their own websites which profit from the number of hits they receive. Thanks for the heads-up, friend. If that's still a problem, then... well, I've no problem leaving. I'm a busy man, work ten hours-a-day, and have no time for such Pharisaic childishness. If the webmaster wishes to remove me for my one-line signature, then let him show himself a man and utterly ban me. Don't even give me a warning. It's an act of charity that I'm even discussing theological principles with those who lack PhDs in this field in the first place. For goodness' sake, this particular thread was about whether the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth experienced death at the Crucifixion, which at best plainly oozes with modalism. Yet, a thread so absurd will remain while my relevant posts will be deleted because of their one-line signature? Goodness, why would anyone with any proper training in the field wish to participate here if that were the case? Please, if I've inadvertently become a member of such a site, respect my good name by undoing the mistake of my registration.
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[jabcat]

We'll relieve you of your burden of having to stoop so low to chat with us.  Goodbye.

[eaglesway]

I don't know book/chapter/verse on this, but did Jesus not say that He had the power to lay His life down, and to take it up again??

Yes He did.I believe He also said the Father gave Him that power.

[VineBranch]

John 10:16 (ASV) reads:

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

It was at the Father's command, by the Son's authority, and by (per Rom. 8:11) the Spirit's power that Jesus was resurrected.
----------------------------
Buy my book The Superior Religion? Christianity and the Human Condition at Amazon!

Hi K1ngm3.  I know I'm going to come across as a parade rain maker, but the first rule I read when I explored what was and was not allowed here was this:

1. You may not advertise merchandise and or any network marketing schemes.

I don't have the authority to ask you to take your advertisement down, but I thought you should be aware that what you are doing violates one of the rules.  If you would like to check it out, the pathway is Home/Expectations, FAQ, Admin Posts/What you MAY NOT DO:  third line down under the heading.

Aye-aye, cap'n! I'll alter my signature(that's all it was)  so that way it's no different from when others recommend books of their own, posts of their own, or links to their own websites which profit from the number of hits they receive. Thanks for the heads-up, friend. If that's still a problem, then... well, I've no problem leaving. I'm a busy man, work ten hours-a-day, and have no time for such Pharisaic childishness. If the webmaster wishes to remove me for my one-line signature, then let him show himself a man and utterly ban me. Don't even give me a warning. It's an act of charity that I'm even discussing theological principles with those who lack PhDs in this field in the first place. For goodness' sake, this particular thread was about whether the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth experienced death at the Crucifixion, which at best plainly oozes with modalism. Yet, a thread so absurd will remain while my relevant posts will be deleted because of their one-line signature? Goodness, why would anyone with any proper training in the field wish to participate here if that were the case? Please, if I've inadvertently become a member of such a site, respect my good name by undoing the mistake of my registration.
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Was it something I said?

[Lazarus Short]

Thanks, VB, you just alienated a valuable new member.  :punish:

[jabcat]

Hmmm....

[ded2daworld]

Laz -
Vine Branch didn't alienate anyone and certainly not a valued member.
The rules were being violated and he was about to be asked by the moderators
to take it down anyway.
The attitude displayed was enough to make me desire not to hear what was said in book or posts.
The words negated the love. :sigh: :Peace2: :dsunny:

[Lazarus Short]

 :sigh: I suppose I should have stayed out of it  :footmouth: but I thought the fellow might have much to contribute - but what do I know?  I think I'll stop now... :dunno2:

[jabcat]

:sigh: I suppose I should have stayed out of it  :footmouth: but I thought the fellow might have much to contribute - but what do I know?  I think I'll stop now... :dunno2:

:laugh:     :angel4: