Identifying evil

[sheila]

....maybe..increase our light in Jesus Christ would be called 'lighten UP"? :girlheart:

[micah7:9]

We may not want to accept it but evil is from God. To deny it or make excuses for God is useless time spent. God is responsible for ALL things. Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Call evil calamity, call it by some other word but the Scriptures do not say "the tree of knowledge of good and calamity." and God made that tree to sprout, as well as all the trees.
Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. TO GROW (Sprout= H6779 to sprout (transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively): - bear, bring forth, (cause to, make to) bud (forth), (cause to, make to) grow (again, up), (cause to) spring (forth, up).
Some may think this out of "context" and if so I must wonder how 2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

To say that the above is not true, is a lie. Jehovah God said it...believe it we do not have to fully understand it yet.

God made EVIL H7451  bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil  FROM H7489   properly to spoil (literally by breaking to pieces); figuratively to make (or be) good for nothing, that is, bad (physically, socially or morally).- afflict, break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

For His purpose.

[eaglesway]

We may not want to accept it but evil is from God. To deny it or make excuses for God is useless time spent. God is responsible for ALL things. Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Call evil calamity, call it by some other word but the Scriptures do not say "the tree of knowledge of good and calamity." and God made that tree to sprout, as well as all the trees.
Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. TO GROW (Sprout= H6779 to sprout (transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively): - bear, bring forth, (cause to, make to) bud (forth), (cause to, make to) grow (again, up), (cause to) spring (forth, up).
Some may think this out of "context" and if so I must wonder how 2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

To say that the above is not true, is a lie. Jehovah God said it...believe it we do not have to fully understand it yet.

God made EVIL H7451  bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil  FROM H7489   properly to spoil (literally by breaking to pieces); figuratively to make (or be) good for nothing, that is, bad (physically, socially or morally).- afflict, break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

For His purpose.

God is responsibe for everything. All judgment is play acting. Accountability is a misbegotten concept from a bunch of false scriptures. Yea Yea...... makes sense to me.


Psalm 78:41
Yes, again and again they tempted God, And limited the Holy One of Israel
1 Thessalonians 3:5

1 Thess. 3:5
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.


James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.


Micah, Its not so much that I disagree with the fact that God ultimately, is responsible for anything He allows. It is that that is only half the truth. When it is presented as the whole truth- it is an error.

God never creates evil, evil as in sin, lawlessness, lust- about this the scriptures are clear.

God has created an ENVIRONMENT WHERE BOTH MEN AND ANGELS CAN CHOOSE TO DO EVIL, and He holds them responsible for their choices in the short term- and even tho ultimately His mercy will swallow all transgression it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God- and, IMO, a foolish thing to underestimate His AVERSION TO EVIL.

[micah7:9]

I argued with myself over such things, but the Word of God is True and i lost.

I truely believe when we as believers can accept the Truth and KNOW that it is the Lord in all things, we as believers will grow UP (mature)from our making reasons why ALL things are not of God.
I, do not believe God "allows" evil, I believe He causes evil. He "causes" evil so Good will react to it.
These are His words not mine.
Jer 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.
Jer 11:11  Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
Mic 1:12  For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem.
Mic 2:3  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.
3Jn 1:11  Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

[eaglesway]

You are placing a lot of weight on one passage concerning a word that occurs over 500 times in the bible. It appears to me you didnt conduct a very intense argument with yourself, since I have presented at least a half dozen scriptures or so over the course of this conversation that present (IMO) a wider vista on the subject.

If you look at three square inches of a painting you might conclude, "Thats a really red picture". Another person, seeing the whole picture would say to you, "Yea, it has some red in it."

[micah7:9]

As far as I can tell here they are.
Psalm 78:41
Yes, again and again they tempted God, And limited the Holy One of Israel
1 Thessalonians 3:5

1 Thess. 3:5
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.


James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

"....since I have presented at least a half dozen scriptures or so over the course of this conversation that present (IMO) a wider vista on the subject."

Where is the wider vista? The post has to do with identifying evil. I have simply stated what I have read, that God planted the sprout of evil in the very beginning. I didn't make it up. God introduced evil for a working part in His creation. I don't say I understand it, but He did it. I have read that God tempts no man and believe it. I have read that through the blood of Jesus we can overcome evil. My wondering is since HE SAID He created evil why it is not accepted as a truth?
And as far as the "red picture" there can be many views. But if the three square inches are false then the whole picture will be an illusion.

[sheila]

and He has made the way of escape...by MY MOUNTAIN VALLEY.............

   indeed,He set this exercize up of good/evil..for the benefit of His sons and daughters..not their

  destruction..but as a learning expierence.

   He knows the way..and will lead us..that we not suffer loss...but be found blameless and spotless.

[dajomaco]

Is there a battle between good and evil?

Satan's answer--------- yes.

Jesus' answer--- -no longer.

Holy Spirit's --------answer no, but there is a BATTLE.

God's answer____ there is no battle and there has never been a battle.

Satan is the created being that has power over things of the flesh.
Every thing done in the flesh has the aroma of evil leading to the stench of death.

His battle field is earth he has developed a scientific understanding of the
weakness of the flesh.
You need no faith to follow his lead you do what just comes natural
and call it good or bad.

Every one knows that bad flesh should die.
But what about good flesh ( We have been feeding these starving kids
and protecting them so they can go out and kill and torture more kids.)
The good flesh can only produce death.

Jesus won the battle for us.
He defeated Satan by taking his own flesh and killing it on a tree.
Once for all mankind.

Holy Spirit teaches our spirit that our spirit is not flesh and is pure.
We no longer battle in the flesh realm.
He strengthens our faith.
Where we fight the battle is up to us we can stay in Satan's
battle field. Satan has all of science and reality on his side.

The Holy Spirit can and does show us that through Faith.

We are not flesh but a victorious spirit that was so important
to God the Father that he was willing to sacrifice his own son,
So that there would be no doubt in our minds that we have been
adopted by the most Royal family in the history of histories .

 

[ded2daworld]

Daj,
But...but... I always thought that Jesus was God in the flesh
Good flesh? Bad flesh? IMO, some of your ideas can't be backed by scripture. :Peace2:

[dajomaco]

Daj,
But...but... I always thought that Jesus was God in the flesh
Good flesh? Bad flesh? IMO, some of your ideas can't be backed by scripture. :Peace2:

Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh?

Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

[sheila]

I think maybe what Daj said can be reconciled..  True the good/evil expierence produces death in our flesh..

  But Jesus said 'THE COMMANDMENT WAS UNTO LIFE" and therefore God wanted us to live..

and therefore He gave the commandment Not to eat.  God desired that man in His image should

rule over[dominion] the earth..and bring everything into subjection through obediance to Him..that

darkness not reign..but the children of light.

  and Jesus was given to man that was overcome of the Darkness..to lead us to everlasting light.

  thus,forgiveness and atonement for all in Adam..that they be set free from any darkness ruling over them.

  the exercize good/evil...with all it's works and wages..whether death or life..is concluded at the 6th day..

  for it is decreed that God made the Sabbath for rest for man's sake....and we are to carry no burden..

  of sin works into the Holy city. That is why we are instructed to 'rest' in Jesus Christ and the works of

God's hands in this matter[the Father does His works through me]..that the Sabbath..rest.....be the

healing and the binding up of the wound[sin] of His people.....

  thus God relieves man of the heavy burden of sin..and lifts it off him..by His sons atonement..

  that the sons of God be set free into the Glorious freedom of the sons of God.

  the millenial reign is just that...no more killing on that day..but healing and a setting free of all men.


  thy Kingdom Come,thy Will be done..on earth as it is in heaven.

[sheila]

 the sin that come upon Adam and Eve in the Garden..was unbelief in God's command Not to eat....

   the remedy is BELEIF IN HIS SON THAT TOOK AWAY ALL SIN.  this is how we died...

and this is How we live.

[dajomaco]

Is there a battle between good and evil?

Satan's answer--------- yes.

For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.

Jesus' answer--- -no longer.

Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.Holy

Spirit's --------answer no, but there is a BATTLE.

For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

God's answer____ there is no battle and there has never been a battle.

For everything that belongs to the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride in one's lifestyle—is not from the Father, but is from the world.

Satan is the created being that has power over things of the flesh.
Every thing done in the flesh has the aroma of evil leading to the stench of death.

Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death—that is, the Devil —


His battle field is earth he has developed a scientific understanding of the
weakness of the flesh.
You need no faith to follow his lead you do what just comes natural
and call it good or bad.

For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.

Every one knows that bad flesh should die.
But what about good flesh ( We have been feeding these starving kids
and protecting them so they can go out and kill and torture more kids.)
The good flesh can only produce death.

For the mind-set of the flesh is hostile to God because it does not submit itself to God's law, for it is unable to do so.

Jesus won the battle for us.

What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin's domain, and as a sin offering,

He defeated Satan by taking his own flesh and killing it on a tree.
Once for all mankind.

He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly; He triumphed over them by Him.[a]

Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Holy Spirit teaches our spirit that our spirit is not flesh and is pure.
We no longer battle in the flesh realm.

For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

He strengthens our faith.
Where we fight the battle is up to us we can stay in Satan's
battle field. Satan has all of science and reality on his side.

The Holy Spirit can and does show us that through Faith.

We are not flesh but a victorious spirit that was so important
to God the Father that he was willing to sacrifice his own son,
So that there would be no doubt in our minds that we have been
adopted by the most Royal family in the history of histories .

Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. 30 But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.[a]

[dajomaco]

Daj,
But...but... I always thought that Jesus was God in the flesh
Good flesh? Bad flesh? IMO, some of your ideas can't be backed by scripture. :Peace2:

Ded be a good fellow and show me the statements that are Anti scriptural.
I learn a lot by exposing my ideas and being corrected.
I have been corrected here before and I am better for it. :gimmefive:

[sheila]

indeed,flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Thus we are told to pick up our cross

   [lay our flesh down..in order to take it back up again] and follow Him=I am returning unto your Father

  and my Father......We must worship in Spirit and Truth.

   the new creature..is a celestial spirit creature

   sorry..don't mean to but in..my  :2c:

[sheila]

we go like Him and suffer outside the camp[lay this flesh and blood down] that we may enter into

the Holy city[Heaven] prepared for us.  for sure our flesh..and sin in it which has been condemned

  in us all...shall not enter...it is a burden unto us...we all groan awaiting our redemption[this body undergoing this

death.]  we await our 'change'

      these old wineskins would burst if the fullness dwell in them/thus a token of the spirit......

      outside the Holy city are all the unclean things that dwell in our flesh..indeed,we only go in and out

     until..........

  in the spirit.

[ded2daworld]

Hey Daj,
I didn't say or even think that your statements were anti-biblical. I just didn't have any idea what scripture you were using to support it.
Lack of scriptural support is not necessarily against the bible. I can't biblically support my computer - it can be used for good or evil.
I was just wondering because Having read the bible several times as I'm sure you have also, I wonder how is it that ideas I've never heard before
are being expressed. Asking for biblical support no way says your statements are anti-biblical, just I don't see where you're coming from. You can certainly express your views here. :Chinscratch:

[seekfirst]

I'm on a very short break...visited TM and read the ongoing discussion which is including some discussion of "flesh"... I did a very quick study a few months ago because I was interested in the statement in Eph 5:30 for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.  In my study I learned that whenever "his" flesh is mentioned it has to do with Jesus' flesh...

The scriptures:
Acts 2:31; Eph 2:15; Eph 5:30; Col 1:22; He 5:7; Heb 10:20;
and also checked 1 Cor 15:39-40

Also 1 Cor 15:39-40 gave me some further things to ponder...  just never did pursue this pondering as I became interested in some other Scriptural "truth"... 

must run... just wanted to share this... I more often TAKE from Tentmaker Forum, it's not often that I can perhaps GIVE.   

Well the clock beckons me onward...

[Molly]

I'm on a very short break...visited TM and read the ongoing discussion which is including some discussion of "flesh"... I did a very quick study a few months ago because I was interested in the statement in Eph 5:30 for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.  In my study I learned that whenever "his" flesh is mentioned it has to do with Jesus' flesh...

The scriptures:
Acts 2:31; Eph 2:15; Eph 5:30; Col 1:22; He 5:7; Heb 10:20;
and also checked 1 Cor 15:39-40

Also 1 Cor 15:39-40 gave me some further things to ponder...  just never did pursue this pondering as I became interested in some other Scriptural "truth"... 

must run... just wanted to share this... I more often TAKE from Tentmaker Forum, it's not often that I can perhaps GIVE.   

Well the clock beckons me onward...

Hi Seek,

This has always been a bit of a mystery to me.  We know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.  But, apparently, flesh and bone can.




Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.--Luke 24:39


John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.


So this glorified body of Jesus is flesh.  Paul tells us there are different kinds of flesh


All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

--1 Cor 15:39-40


But the glorified body does not seem to have blood--it is flesh and bone.  So, what is the blood and why is it not mentioned?


For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.--Lev 17:11

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.


Leviticus 17:14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, "You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off."


Now, I'm sure someone must have some ideas about this. My thoughts...  The life of every creature is its blood.  But we are a new creation.  Because we share his atoning blood, our life is in Christ.  And His Spirit is become our life's blood.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.--Rom 8:2


When God promises that all flesh shall see him, what flesh is he talking about?


And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.--Isa 45

And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man. --1 Cor 15:49

[seekfirst]

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Hi Molly, I do have a few thoughts, but until Jan 2 --  8 PM, I won't have time to share... so here's  a site that I use almost exclusively for Strongs, (KJV), and the Jamieson,Faucett,Brown commentary that I have found very helpful...

http://www.dabhand.org/Bible_XRef.htm 

also maybe start another thread...   All flesh shall see the glory of the Lord  .... or some such title...

[micah7:9]

I cannot identify evil to be understood, but I do believe that the Word of God identifies it's beginning and origin.
These are truths that can be debated and certainly have been, but still they are truths and unless they can be refuted within His Word, they must remain truths to build on.
When a believer begins to build on a solid truth, it will be sound, though it may leave may questions as to the why, it will be a foundation to grow with understanding and
wisdom to follow. But it seems that religion and theology, in the past, along with mythical beliefs and fabled stories created answers and reasons that tickle the ears of man's reasoning
and logic and it has carried on unto today.
Here is a truth (Ihave not found it to be untrue) Jehovah God created/made evil. Genesis 2:9 and Isa. 45:7.
And as well, Jehovah God made/created the adversary(Col. 1:16 & Jo.1:3)
If there is verse and scripture that reads different, please reveal it to me. For me this knowledge has given me much rest and relief, just as the truth that Jesus
is the Savour of all men, and that ALL men will be saved.
Knowing that Jehovah IS, and that nothing is done that is outside of I AM, makes my walk in unity with the Spirit very restfull, and easy yoke; even though I am very much flawed,
yet and still in the hands of The Potter.... I await His return. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Evil is the energy of bad... just at the Holy Spirit is the energy of GOOD.

Oops, I may have made a radical point of view.

[micah7:9]

I'm on a very short break...visited TM and read the ongoing discussion which is including some discussion of "flesh"... I did a very quick study a few months ago because I was interested in the statement in Eph 5:30 for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.  In my study I learned that whenever "his" flesh is mentioned it has to do with Jesus' flesh...

The scriptures:
Acts 2:31; Eph 2:15; Eph 5:30; Col 1:22; He 5:7; Heb 10:20;
and also checked 1 Cor 15:39-40

Also 1 Cor 15:39-40 gave me some further things to ponder...  just never did pursue this pondering as I became interested in some other Scriptural "truth"... 

must run... just wanted to share this... I more often TAKE from Tentmaker Forum, it's not often that I can perhaps GIVE.   

Well the clock beckons me onward...

Hi Seek,

This has always been a bit of a mystery to me.  We know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.  But, apparently, flesh and bone can.




Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.--Luke 24:39


John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.


So this glorified body of Jesus is flesh.  Paul tells us there are different kinds of flesh


All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

--1 Cor 15:39-40


But the glorified body does not seem to have blood--it is flesh and bone.  So, what is the blood and why is it not mentioned?


For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.--Lev 17:11

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.


Leviticus 17:14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, "You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off."


Now, I'm sure someone must have some ideas about this. My thoughts...  The life of every creature is its blood.  But we are a new creation.  Because we share his atoning blood, our life is in Christ.  And His Spirit is become our life's blood.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.--Rom 8:2


When God promises that all flesh shall see him, what flesh is he talking about?


And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.--Isa 45

And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man. --1 Cor 15:49

Interesting :Peace2: :dsunny:

[Molly]

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

--1 Cor 15



[spiritual] "body"

G4983
σῶμα
sōma
so'-mah
From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave.


a spiritual body...pneumatikos sōma...it almost sounds like a contradiction in terms.



"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.--Jn 5:24



"crossed over"

G3327
μεταβαίνω
metabainō
met-ab-ah'ee-no
From G3326 and the base of G939; to change place: - depart, go, pass, remove.



25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

--John 11

[micah7:9]

" 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

No, but maybe, Joh 11:26  and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die--to the age;
or 26 And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?
Now that I can and do believe.

[eaglesway]

As far as I can tell here they are.
Psalm 78:41
Yes, again and again they tempted God, And limited the Holy One of Israel
1 Thessalonians 3:5

1 Thess. 3:5
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.


James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

"....since I have presented at least a half dozen scriptures or so over the course of this conversation that present (IMO) a wider vista on the subject."

Where is the wider vista? The post has to do with identifying evil. I have simply stated what I have read, that God planted the sprout of evil in the very beginning. I didn't make it up. God introduced evil for a working part in His creation. I don't say I understand it, but He did it. I have read that God tempts no man and believe it. I have read that through the blood of Jesus we can overcome evil. My wondering is since HE SAID He created evil why it is not accepted as a truth?
And as far as the "red picture" there can be many views. But if the three square inches are false then the whole picture will be an illusion.

Actually I think you did make it up. Where do you see that God planted a sprout of evil? God never introduced evil. We did.

"Every man sins when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. Lust conceives sin, sin conceives death.