satan is saved?

[sheila]

Yes..and God says   My spirit will not always strive with man, in that he is but flesh

[eaglesway]

The Long Island Express was much worse than this storm. It was the density of population in the affected areas that made this storm so devastating. If the Long Island Express storm was to hit LI today it is estimated that as many as 250,000 people would die.

Nevertheless, I do believe the 'birth pangs' are quickening.

[Molly]

well, I call him Satan so as to be as clear as possible.

But, when you look at all the evil in the world, it's hard to believe he is being held back [he is], and it's hard to imagine what things will look like when he's not.



But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short."

--Rev 12:12

I read this on Hall Worthington's site awhile back. It certainly won't be pretty but I say bring it on because the Lord's army will prevail and the end of all sin and evil and death is nigh! Praise God and Hallelujah!!

You and I have been given a glimpse of this.  It's silly obstacles to the right and to the left, but it has an impact.  And, while you're going through it, it's frustrating and even maddening.  Maybe we are being given an exercise in staying centered in Christ right now.

[sheila]

Ezekiel 7;10  the day is here,it has come. Doom has burst forth[son of perdition doomed to destruction]

  arrogance has blossomed. Violence has  grown into a rod to punish wickedness[meaning God will take

care of the violence of the wicked one by destroying him] None of the people will be left,none of that crowd

[gogs]-no wealth,nothing of value......................

....the Lord will do away with him with the breath of His coming.....

[Molly]

Sheila, at the same time the wise will do exploits, until or unless their power is broken, which will also happen to some.



35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

--Dan 11

[micah7:9]

Great tribulation [Matt.24:21] Day of the Lord [Acts.2:20] is there a difference?

[Molly]

Great tribulation [Matt.24:21] Day of the Lord [Acts.2:20] is there a difference?

In my opinion, the Day of the Lord and the great tribulation start at the same time.

The great tribulation lasts for 3.5 years.

The Day of the Lord lasts for 1000 years.  [1000 years as a day in his sight].

[lomarah]

well, I call him Satan so as to be as clear as possible.

But, when you look at all the evil in the world, it's hard to believe he is being held back [he is], and it's hard to imagine what things will look like when he's not.



But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short."

--Rev 12:12

I read this on Hall Worthington's site awhile back. It certainly won't be pretty but I say bring it on because the Lord's army will prevail and the end of all sin and evil and death is nigh! Praise God and Hallelujah!!

You and I have been given a glimpse of this.  It's silly obstacles to the right and to the left, but it has an impact.  And, while you're going through it, it's frustrating and even maddening.  Maybe we are being given an exercise in staying centered in Christ right now.

Yeah Moll and you won't even believe what happened a few days ago. I'll pm you.

[eaglesway]

I think the "he that restrains" is the Holy Spirit, but taken out of the way simply means that His restraint in preventing Anti-Christ from fully manifesting is removed.... as some have said, and I agree, the adversary operates in whatever authority he is allowed. "Because they received not a love of the truth they will be given over to strong delusion...." is what takes the restraints off. IMO it is important to understand that the Holy Spirit will never be taken out of the earth. The dawn that began on Pentecost will grow until the full noon at the second advent.

For evidence of this ask yourself how the following things occur if the Holy Spirit is taken out of the earth.

People will be saved during the tribulation and they will fight(do spiritual battle) with the "seed of the dragon".

They will "overcome him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony" and "love not their lives unto death"

They will "do exploits" and they will "lead the many to righteousness" and "shine like the stars of heaven" in the midst of great darkness

The will be beheaded for their testimony that Jesus is Lord- no man says Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit

IMO  they will do all this and more in the full armor of God, by the power of the "gospel sword" under the anointing of the Spirit.

"Not by might nor by power but by my Spirit says the Lord"

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
(Rom 10:15)

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
(Rom 15:19)

And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.
(Rom 15:29)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
(Luk 4:18-19)


Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
(Rom 16:25-26)

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. b
(1Co 1:21

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
(2Co 4:3-6)

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(Eph 1:13)

[dajomaco]

IMO Knowing LOVE and responding to our brothers ,sisters and neighbors
in Love as we know it. Is all a person needs to know about fighting evil.
Smart bombs no more Love.
Assault weapons no more Love.
I know form personnel experience that love can disarm.
I know this to be a fact If I was going to face an evil person with an
AK 47. I would not bring any weapons of my own only the hope that knowing
Jesus was all I needed.
 
You can tell me the bible says there are goats and sheep.
I know there are only Shoats and Geeps.

[eaglesway]

Glass people before him-
Transparent beings from his own hand.
Who can see thru glass with eyes of glass?
But the glass blower knows,
He sees them there.
Glass people-
Handle with care.

A slip of the hand and crash
But the glass blower,
He been a long time at His craft

Glass people before him-
Transparent beings from his own hand.
Who can see through glass with eyes of glass?
But the glass blower knows,
He sees them there.
Glass people-
Handle with care.

[micah7:9]

IMO Knowing LOVE and responding to our brothers ,sisters and neighbors
in Love as we know it. Is all a person needs to know about fighting evil.
Smart bombs no more Love.
Assault weapons no more Love.
I know form personnel experience that love can disarm.
I know this to be a fact If I was going to face an evil person with an
AK 47. I would not bring any weapons of my own only the hope that knowing
Jesus was all I needed.
 
You can tell me the bible says there are goats and sheep.
I know there are only Shoats and Geeps.

"IMO Knowing LOVE and responding to our brothers ,sisters and neighbors
in Love as we know it. Is all a person needs to know about fighting evil."  :dsunny: :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[ded2daworld]

Yeah, fighting evil or the evil within the future brother or sister. "We fight not against flesh and blood..."

[eaglesway]

IMO Knowing LOVE and responding to our brothers ,sisters and neighbors
in Love as we know it. Is all a person needs to know about fighting evil.
Smart bombs no more Love.
Assault weapons no more Love.
I know form personnel experience that love can disarm.
I know this to be a fact If I was going to face an evil person with an
AK 47. I would not bring any weapons of my own only the hope that knowing
Jesus was all I needed.
 
You can tell me the bible says there are goats and sheep.
I know there are only Shoats and Geeps.

"IMO Knowing LOVE and responding to our brothers ,sisters and neighbors
in Love as we know it. Is all a person needs to know about fighting evil."  :dsunny: :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

This is a sweet sounding platitude, but we are to be as wise as serpent and as harmless as doves.

If we are only as harmless as doves we will be without sin and spotless.
If we are not also as wise as a serpent we will be spotless but ineffective.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Eph 6:10-13)

If the bible tells me there are sheeps and goats there is a reason for it and I respect the wisdom of God as expressed in the scriptures- and walk in love towards all as well.

[jabcat]

we are to be as wise as serpent and as harmless as doves.

If we are only as harmless as doves we will be without sin and spotless.
If we are not also as wise as a serpent we will be spotless but ineffective.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Eph 6:10-13)

If the bible tells me there are sheeps and goats there is a reason for it and I respect the wisdom of God as expressed in the scriptures- and walk in love towards all as well.

Well said.  Amen.

[micah7:9]

"Well said. And Amen" Is there an explanation as well for well said and Amen? Not to be whimsical, but just what does that mean?

[ded2daworld]

Well said means the person has expressed a view in a way they would have responded to the post if the other had not posted first.
Amen actually means "So be it" but in recent years it has changed to mean, "I agree with you wholeheartedly"

I know what you're saying Micah and it's a tough call for me.
On the one hand, do I allow others to do as they will to me and my family in the name of total reliance on and dependence on the Lord?"
On the other hand, do I do what I can to help, save, and or protect myself and family?

Do you wear a seatbelt only because it's the law of the land or because you aren't totally trusting God to protect you.
God gave us a brain to use and statistics don't lie - seatbelts save lives - because you are wearing it for God's sake?
IMO, God wants us to use seatbelts even though he could miraculously intervene (and I've seen that happen also)

Hopefully, I won't ramble this much in later posts :Pray:

[jabcat]

Well said means the person has expressed a view in a way they would have responded to the post if the other had not posted first.
Amen actually means "So be it" ...

Well said.    :laughing7:

On the one hand, do I allow others to do as they will to me and my family in the name of total reliance on and dependence on the Lord?"
On the other hand, do I do what I can to help, save, and or protect myself and family?

IMO, God wants us to use seatbelts even though he could miraculously intervene (and I've seen that happen also)

Amen.    :Peace2:

[sheila]

Mark 12;32  Well said,teacher,the man replied. You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but Him.

   

[dajomaco]

You call Me Teacher and Lord. This is well said, for I am.

[eaglesway]

Yes, I am, and it is I who said that there are sheep and there are goats ;o)

[dajomaco]

I am a sheep and a goat.
I am a vessel made for destruction and glory.
I am two men lying in a bed one is left one is taken.
The distinction between the old man.
The distinction between the new man.
The more I am aware of the separation between the Me Goat and the Me sheep.
The more peace I have .When I walk in the spirit I can always see that which
unites me with every one born of the seed of Adam.
When I walk in the flesh I see sheep and goats.
The tree of life or the tree of the knowledge of good or evil.
IMO unless the holy spirit interprets scripture I am reading mans interpretation
of the Bible.
It is important to believe and I post here because I believe.
I love that tent maker posters believe strongly in what they post.
IMO It would be hard to believe that the holy spirit would show
scripture and we all received the same nugget.
The holy spirit could reveal an important and spiritually significant verse
in Genesis and show it only to you.
He could do that for every person on earth and still be in the book of Genesis.
 
Of course we are shown different views but we are all looking at and longing for the greater revelation of the crucifixion of Jesus the Christ.   

[ded2daworld]

 :thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Mat 25:31-46)

I see it as a grave error to relegate ALL those verses to parable fulfilled in an individuals life. There is a very clear revelation of how God separates those who are to receive a reward from those who are to endure kolassis.

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(1Co 3:13-15)

Sheep walk as the Lamb and lay down their lives.


You have to walk "in the spirit" to see the sheep and the goats- and still love the goats. Discernment is not judging. It is one of the means by which we are able to minister.

Peter, Paul, Jesus, James, you name it- they did not speak to everyone as if they beheld sheep before them. Seeing sheep and goats is walking in the flesh only if you do not love both the sheep and the goats. IMO, Seeing everyone as sheep is not seeing as the Lord sees, excepting that of course- at the end of the ages, after the reconciliation is complete, every living being will be as the sheep of His pasture.

Now however, There are sheep, there are goats, there are serpents, there are wolves in sheeps clothing, there are Leviathans, there are Behemoths, there are Jezebels, there are sons of the adversary, sons of disobedience and in the last days those who walk in the spirit are able to discern them and minister to them, some with mercy, some with fear-hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13)

Does a sheep, a goat, a dragon, a wolf, a behemoth potentially live in us all? Yes, I believe that is true. It does not however eliminate the discernment of both word and spirit as it applies to the religious spirits and the sorcerers and the wicked of this world. As Paul put it, "And among them we too all walked as adversaries....but you were reconciled".

But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
(Act 13:8-11)

We are not told what became of Elymas, or what he became- but in the moment Paul addressed him was he judging him? In a manner, yes- but the spiritual man judges all things while he himself is judged of no one. In other words, Paul was walking in the spirit, his discernment was of God, and God exposed the enemy through Paul- not by mercy. IMO it is an error to fail to understand that we still live in an age of discernment and judgment and that loving all is what we are called to, not loving all blindly. Which is harder I wonder?

Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(Joh 8:41-44)
Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honors me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
(Joh 8:54-56)

To say seeing sheep and goats is walking in the flesh is simply, IMO, self-aggrandizing a particular doctrinal position that does not stand up to the scrutiny of the word of God or the spirit of God.

And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
(Mat 3:6-10)

[jabcat]

There is a very clear revelation of how God separates those who are to receive a reward from those who are to endure kolassis.


Peter, Paul, Jesus, James, you name it- they did not speak to everyone as if they beheld sheep before them.  IMO, Seeing everyone as sheep is not seeing as the Lord sees, excepting that of course- at the end of the ages, after the reconciliation is complete, every living being will be as the sheep of His pasture.

Now however, There are sheep, there are goats, there are serpents, there are wolves in sheeps clothing, there are Leviathans, there are Behemoths, there are Jezebels, there are sons of the adversary, sons of disobedience and in the last days those who walk in the spirit are able to discern them and minister to them, some with mercy, some with fear-hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13)

Does a sheep, a goat, a dragon, a wolf, a behemoth potentially live in us all? Yes, I believe that is true. It does not however eliminate the discernment of both word and spirit as it applies to the religious spirits and the sorcerers and the wicked of this world. As Paul put it, "And among them we too all walked as adversaries....but you were reconciled".

Love all, live at peace with all as much as lies within us - but most of mankind are at present enemies of God.  Light and darkness don't mix.  A little leaven...     Do good to 1) all,   ESPECIALLY   2) those of the household of faith. (Gal. 6:10)

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20