aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...

[WhiteWings]

I didn't read those articles

'nuff said.

[Molly]

Does Jesus leave the earth? 

He says he will.


For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

--Mat 25



Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered, "Where I go, you cannot follow Me now; but you will follow later."

--John 13:36



And, they watch him leave.



And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.  Acts 1:9

[Molly]

I didn't read those articles

'nuff said.

Like I said I read the extensive quotes.  I really can't stomach the kingdom ministries stuff because it seems so out of touch with reality to me.

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

Jesus will return to earth the second time as Messiah ben David, the Lion of Judah.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

[lomarah]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

[WhiteWings]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

[Molly]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

I think it's good to always have a healthy respect for God.

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.

--Mal 4

[Molly]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

All I do is quote scripture.  I think you don't like what the scripture is saying.

The meek will inherit te earth, not the wicked.

[WhiteWings]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

True, the Bible surely writes about bad times.

But for who? Saint or sinner? Or both?
Couldn't it be the saints stay it this rotten world but recieve a seal of protection like Cain?
What's the job of the Saints. Hide? Or be active Apostles?

[Molly]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

True, the Bible surely writes about bad times.

But for who? Saint or sinner? Or both?
Couldn't it be the saints stay it this rotten world but recieve a seal of protection like Cain?
What's the job of the Saints. Hide? Or be active Apostles?

The end of the age is a special case.

[lomarah]

After reading that verse you quoted from Malachi I realized something - I have no desire to tread down the wicked... I wish only to heal them and love them and see their hearts cleansed. Maybe it's a spiritual treading of the man of sin in each person?

[lomarah]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

True, the Bible surely writes about bad times.

But for who? Saint or sinner? Or both?
Couldn't it be the saints stay it this rotten world but recieve a seal of protection like Cain?
What's the job of the Saints. Hide? Or be active Apostles?

Yes, exactly, the saints will shine brighter than ever before and draw people to the Light. :)

[Molly]

After reading that verse you quoted from Malachi I realized something - I have no desire to tread down the wicked... I wish only to heal them and love them and see their hearts cleansed. Maybe it's a spiritual treading of the man of sin in each person?

Maybe you haven't watched them kill enough babies, yet.

[lomarah]

You have a point there lol...

[WhiteWings]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

All I do is quote scripture.  I think you don't like what the scripture is saying.

I think you don't understand what the Scripture is saying. I/we are supposed to read you posts and agree but you just ignore what others post. That's fine with me. Continue the way you like. But don't expect anything fruitful.

The meek will inherit te earth, not the wicked.

Does that support rapture?
If anything the wicked will inherit the earth because the meek will be removed from it in your view.

[Molly]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

All I do is quote scripture.  I think you don't like what the scripture is saying.

I think you don't understand what the Scripture is saying. I/we are supposed to read you posts and agree but you just ignore what others post. That's fine with me. Continue the way you like. But don't expect anything fruitful.

The meek will inherit te earth, not the wicked.

Does that support rapture?
If anything the wicked will inherit the earth because the meek will be removed from it in your view.

I never said the saints wouldn't return with Christ.   Did Noah return to [dry] earth after the flood?

[Molly]

He has come to save the world - not destroy it.

Nevertheless I do think there ARE dark days ahead. Very dark. I agree with you there Molly.

True, the Bible surely writes about bad times.

But for who? Saint or sinner? Or both?
Couldn't it be the saints stay it this rotten world but recieve a seal of protection like Cain?
What's the job of the Saints. Hide? Or be active Apostles?

Yes, exactly, the saints will shine brighter than ever before and draw people to the Light. :)

This is what the saints are going to do.


2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
--Joel 2


You can read the rest of the chapter for more.

[lomarah]

Fire = purifying. Not fun, but good! :)

[WhiteWings]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

All I do is quote scripture.  I think you don't like what the scripture is saying.

I think you don't understand what the Scripture is saying. I/we are supposed to read you posts and agree but you just ignore what others post. That's fine with me. Continue the way you like. But don't expect anything fruitful.

The meek will inherit te earth, not the wicked.

Does that support rapture?
If anything the wicked will inherit the earth because the meek will be removed from it in your view.

I never said the saints wouldn't return with Christ.   Did Noah return to [dry] earth after the flood?

Did Noach leave the earth?
No, he stayed in the same wet world as all others. The difference was/is that Noach was protected from harm (rain) by the Ark.

[lomarah]

Yep, exactly.

[Molly]

Fire = purifying. Not fun, but good! :)

Seriously, I think that the wicked will be removed from the earth at the end of the age, removed as in dead.  I think they will have to wait until the second resurrection for more.


The godly will never be disturbed, but the wicked will be removed from the land.
Prov 10:30


Psalm 37:38 But all sinners will be destroyed; the future of the wicked will be cut off.


Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin: He will snatch you up and tear you from your tent; he will uproot you from the land of the living.
--Psa 52:5


"Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them.  Mal 4:1

[Molly]

Maybe you'd like to address the substance of what I had to say.

A honest answer?
- Substantial doctrinal/wishful thinking.
- (almost) void of Scriptual support.

The article shows several "raputure words" in another context. Using many verses + Greek words for you to verify. Jabcat's extensive quotes are actually a small summary.

In case you like L Ray Smith better. (be warned the article doesn't support your view)
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

My advise. Read the whole book because you will benefit from it. You will learn something new or will strenghten your current view.

All I do is quote scripture.  I think you don't like what the scripture is saying.

I think you don't understand what the Scripture is saying. I/we are supposed to read you posts and agree but you just ignore what others post. That's fine with me. Continue the way you like. But don't expect anything fruitful.

The meek will inherit te earth, not the wicked.

Does that support rapture?
If anything the wicked will inherit the earth because the meek will be removed from it in your view.

I never said the saints wouldn't return with Christ.   Did Noah return to [dry] earth after the flood?

Did Noach leave the earth?
No, he stayed in the same wet world as all others. The difference was/is that Noach was protected from harm (rain) by the Ark.

No he didn't stay in the same wet world as all the others.  He rose above it, in the ark.

The rest of them were dead.

[lomarah]

I also think the wicked will perish, but I don't think we will be killing them. I think as the world grows darker the saints will grow brighter and draw all who will... and those who won't will perish.

[Molly]

I also think the wicked will perish, but I don't think we will be killing them. I think as the world grows darker the saints will grow brighter and draw all who will... and those who won't will perish.

Perish how?

[WhiteWings]

Fire = purifying. Not fun, but good! :)

Seriously, I think that the wicked will be removed from the earth at the end of the age, removed as in dead.  I think they will have to wait until the second resurrection for more.

Some/many will surely die. But all?
Jesus and His saints will rule the millenium Kingdom.
What will they rule if the only thing left are saints?
What is Jesus submitting if there are no wicked people on earth. The saints obviously submitted long ago.

[Molly]

Fire = purifying. Not fun, but good! :)

Seriously, I think that the wicked will be removed from the earth at the end of the age, removed as in dead.  I think they will have to wait until the second resurrection for more.

Some/many will surely die. But all?
Jesus and His saints will rule the millenium Kingdom.
What will they rule if the only thing left are saints?
What is Jesus submitting if there are no wicked people on earth. The saints obviously submitted long ago.

There are very, very wicked people on this earth right now. They work for Satan. They will be gone.

But, I think there will be different groups of people who will be on a continuum.

It's all about the lottery.

We are not told much about the ages after this one.

The Bible is really about this age, and the ones leading up to it and contributing to it.

But, there's a lot of silence in both directions beyond that.