Thought some would like this

[jabcat]

wow that means every day is holy.

In like manner, all the feasts are experienced internally.  The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them.

And, we would move about the Temple, as priests do, but it would all be spiritual.

Very good points!   :thumbsup:   From some angles I'd never quite looked from before.   :thumbsup: again!

[micah7:9]

I wonder why there is nothing taught about a double portion in the NT?

That's a really good question!  I'm going to need to explore that a bit.

That's really sort of what the article I posted is getting at too, "what/who/when is being told what".   :2c:

It is in the NT.

For one off the top of my head, you see in Revelation both Joseph and Ephraim listed amog the twelve tribes.  [Dan is gone.]

Also, the transfiguration with Moses and Elijah standing on either side of Jesus.

Can you explain that to me?

[micah7:9]

Yes, that makes sense JAB.  So if you are in Christ, for instance, every day is the Sabbath because he is Lord of the Sabbath and we have entered into his rest.

But, I think it is important to know that--to know the commandment--to keep it holy--wow that means every day is holy.

In like manner, all the feasts are experienced internally.  The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them.

And, we would move about the Temple, as priests do, but it would all be spiritual.




Isaiah 45:25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult.


Jer 33
7And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.

8And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.

9And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.


Jer 33

14Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah

15 In that day Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will live in safety. And this will be its name: 'The LORD Is Our Righteousness.'

"The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them."

I understand there to be one commandment, I sure like the way the Lord does math, Joh 15:12  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I was always bad with math, but He made it simple for me. I don't understand computers but they seem to have the same simple way, from what I have been told all a computer uses is 1 and 0. I ain't(am not) as smart as a computer but there is only ONE commandment as far as I can tell. But I know this to be a truth, "wow that means every day is holy." Molly

[Molly]

Explain the double portion?  Probably not too well tonight. But I'll start.

You know each tribe of Israel gets a portion of land from the LORD as their inheritance.  And the Levite [priests'] portion is God himself.

But, when it came to Joseph, a type of Christ, he was given a double portion because both sons received a portion, instead of just the eldest son, with the youngest son receiving the lion's share.

Jacob separates the covenant blessings also, giving the right of rulership to Judah, and the blessings to Joseph in a double portion.  So sometimes we see this as one tribe being called Joseph [Ephraim] and one tribe called Manasseh as in Rev. 7, and sometimes we see the two tribes as Ephraim and Manasseh, as when they are given their portion of land in the promised land--but either way, the tribe of Joseph gets a double portion.

Then the question becomes --what is the spiritual meaning of that double portion?  So we look at Jesus for the answer--the law and the prophets, the law [word] and Spirit, King and Priest--come to mind quickly.

Did you read that article I posted?  Here is what she gives as the double portion anointing:


Moses & Elijah (Malachi 4:4-5, Matthew 17:3-5)
Law & Prophets (Matthew 22:40, Romans 3:21)
Truth & Spirit (John 4:24)
Wisdom & Revelation (Ephesians 1:17)
Judgment & Mercy (Psalms 101:1, Hosea 12:6, Zechariah 7:9)
Judah & Ephraim = One Stick (Ezekiel 37:16-17)
Jew & Gentile = One New Man (Ephesians 2:15)
Smyrna & Philadelphia (Revelation 1:20, 11:4)
Justification & Sanctification (1st Corinthians 6:11, James 2:24)
Wise as Serpents & Gentle as Doves (Matthew 10:16)
The Two Edged Sword (Psalms 149:6, Hebrews 4:12, Revelation 1:16; 2:12)
Two Candlesticks & Two Olive Trees (Revelation 11:4)
King & Priest = The Melchizedek Order (Hebrews 7)
Lion & Lamb = YaHuW'shuwa Messiah (Revelation 5:5-6)
Messiah Ben Joseph & Messiah Ben David = YaHuW'shuwa
12 Tribes & 12 Apostles (Revelation 21)
Father & Son = YaHuWaH Elohiym (1st John 2:22-23)
Rachel & Leah = Israel (Genesis 31:4, Ruth 4:11)
Joshua (Ephraim) & Caleb (Judah) = Two Spies

Both elements must always co-exist together in Messiah YaHuW'shuwa. He is the one who inherits the Double Portion Blessing of Joseph. We are joint-heirs with him in this Double Portion Blessing only when we have these two elements as Kings & Priests in the Melchizedek order.


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[Molly]

Yes, that makes sense JAB.  So if you are in Christ, for instance, every day is the Sabbath because he is Lord of the Sabbath and we have entered into his rest.

But, I think it is important to know that--to know the commandment--to keep it holy--wow that means every day is holy.

In like manner, all the feasts are experienced internally.  The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them.

And, we would move about the Temple, as priests do, but it would all be spiritual.




Isaiah 45:25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult.


Jer 33
7And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.

8And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.

9And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.


Jer 33

14Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah

15 In that day Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will live in safety. And this will be its name: 'The LORD Is Our Righteousness.'

"The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them."

I understand there to be one commandment, I sure like the way the Lord does math, Joh 15:12  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I was always bad with math, but He made it simple for me. I don't understand computers but they seem to have the same simple way, from what I have been told all a computer uses is 1 and 0. I ain't(am not) as smart as a computer but there is only ONE commandment as far as I can tell. But I know this to be a truth, "wow that means every day is holy." Molly

TWO  Commandments.


36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

--Mat 22

[micah7:9]

Explain the double portion?  Probably not too well tonight. But I'll start.

You know each tribe of Israel gets a portion of land from the LORD as their inheritance.  And the Levite [priests'] portion is God himself.

But, when it came to Joseph, a type of Christ, he was given a double portion because both sons received a portion, instead of just the eldest son, with the youngest son receiving the lion's share.

Jacob separates the covenant blessings also, giving the right of rulership to Judah, and the blessings to Joseph in a double portion.  So sometimes we see this as one tribe being called Joseph [Ephraim] and one tribe called Manasseh as in Rev. 7, and sometimes we see the two tribes as Ephraim and Manasseh, as when they are given their portion of land in the promised land--but either way, the tribe of Joseph gets a double portion.

Then the question becomes --what is the spiritual meaning of that double portion?  So we look at Jesus for the answer--the law and the prophets, the law [word] and Spirit, King and Priest--come to mind quickly.

Did you read that article I posted?  Here is what she gives as the double portion anointing:


Moses & Elijah (Malachi 4:4-5, Matthew 17:3-5)
Law & Prophets (Matthew 22:40, Romans 3:21)
Truth & Spirit (John 4:24)
Wisdom & Revelation (Ephesians 1:17)
Judgment & Mercy (Psalms 101:1, Hosea 12:6, Zechariah 7:9)
Judah & Ephraim = One Stick (Ezekiel 37:16-17)
Jew & Gentile = One New Man (Ephesians 2:15)
Smyrna & Philadelphia (Revelation 1:20, 11:4)
Justification & Sanctification (1st Corinthians 6:11, James 2:24)
Wise as Serpents & Gentle as Doves (Matthew 10:16)
The Two Edged Sword (Psalms 149:6, Hebrews 4:12, Revelation 1:16; 2:12)
Two Candlesticks & Two Olive Trees (Revelation 11:4)
King & Priest = The Melchizedek Order (Hebrews 7)
Lion & Lamb = YaHuW'shuwa Messiah (Revelation 5:5-6)
Messiah Ben Joseph & Messiah Ben David = YaHuW'shuwa
12 Tribes & 12 Apostles (Revelation 21)
Father & Son = YaHuWaH Elohiym (1st John 2:22-23)
Rachel & Leah = Israel (Genesis 31:4, Ruth 4:11)
Joshua (Ephraim) & Caleb (Judah) = Two Spies

Both elements must always co-exist together in Messiah YaHuW'shuwa. He is the one who inherits the Double Portion Blessing of Joseph. We are joint-heirs with him in this Double Portion Blessing only when we have these two elements as Kings & Priests in the Melchizedek order.


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No not the double portion geeshush.

[micah7:9]

Yes, that makes sense JAB.  So if you are in Christ, for instance, every day is the Sabbath because he is Lord of the Sabbath and we have entered into his rest.

But, I think it is important to know that--to know the commandment--to keep it holy--wow that means every day is holy.

In like manner, all the feasts are experienced internally.  The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them.

And, we would move about the Temple, as priests do, but it would all be spiritual.




Isaiah 45:25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult.


Jer 33
7And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.

8And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.

9And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.


Jer 33

14Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah

15 In that day Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will live in safety. And this will be its name: 'The LORD Is Our Righteousness.'

"The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them."

I understand there to be one commandment, I sure like the way the Lord does math, Joh 15:12  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I was always bad with math, but He made it simple for me. I don't understand computers but they seem to have the same simple way, from what I have been told all a computer uses is 1 and 0. I ain't(am not) as smart as a computer but there is only ONE commandment as far as I can tell. But I know this to be a truth, "wow that means every day is holy." Molly

TWO  Commandments.


36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

--Mat 22

"like unto it"  means the same. Lets keep it simple. It's ONE commandment.

[Molly]

Yes, that makes sense JAB.  So if you are in Christ, for instance, every day is the Sabbath because he is Lord of the Sabbath and we have entered into his rest.

But, I think it is important to know that--to know the commandment--to keep it holy--wow that means every day is holy.

In like manner, all the feasts are experienced internally.  The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them.

And, we would move about the Temple, as priests do, but it would all be spiritual.




Isaiah 45:25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult.


Jer 33
7And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.

8And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.

9And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.


Jer 33

14Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah

15 In that day Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will live in safety. And this will be its name: 'The LORD Is Our Righteousness.'

"The big laws are written on our hearts, so we would only desire to keep them."

I understand there to be one commandment, I sure like the way the Lord does math, Joh 15:12  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I was always bad with math, but He made it simple for me. I don't understand computers but they seem to have the same simple way, from what I have been told all a computer uses is 1 and 0. I ain't(am not) as smart as a computer but there is only ONE commandment as far as I can tell. But I know this to be a truth, "wow that means every day is holy." Molly

TWO  Commandments.


36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

--Mat 22

"like unto it"  means the same. Lets keep it simple. It's ONE commandment.

Then you have to choose the first commandment because it is the first and great commandment.

37 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[Molly]

No not the double portion geeshush.

what do you want me to explain then?  Because you said can you explain 'that' to me.

[Cardinal]

What interests me is the prophecy about it, the idea of bringing the twelve tribes back together [the northern ten tribes of Israel and the southern two tribes of Judah] and holding them in his hand as ONE STICK.   That makes so much sense to me, but I'm not sure what it would look like.

:cloud9: What it would look like, is Moses's rod swallowing up that of the Egyptians (gentiles), making of the two, ONE STICK = rod of authority = Christ, the UPRIGHT Son in our midst becoming our covering (glorified body, corruption swallowed up of incorruption). Our hearts are circumcized (Jewish), our bodies are not (ritually speaking) = Gentiles. My  :2c:

[Molly]

What interests me is the prophecy about it, the idea of bringing the twelve tribes back together [the northern ten tribes of Israel and the southern two tribes of Judah] and holding them in his hand as ONE STICK.   That makes so much sense to me, but I'm not sure what it would look like.

:cloud9: What it would look like, is Moses's rod swallowing up that of the Egyptians (gentiles), making of the two, ONE STICK = rod of authority = Christ, the UPRIGHT Son in our midst becoming our covering (glorified body, corruption swallowed up of incorruption). Our hearts are circumcized (Jewish), our bodies are not (ritually speaking) = Gentiles. My  :2c:

wow!   That makes my heart leap.


ps Cardinal will you look at her website when you get a chance.  I would like to know what you think of it.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: yes

[Molly]

WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES?

When I read Revelation 11:4 and saw who these two witnesses are, I understood that there are 4 objects used to describe these two witnesses. The Angel tells John "these are the two candlesticks and the two olive trees."

And so 4 objects cannot be referring to two individuals.

Yahu'shua tells us the mystery of the "seven candlesticks" in Revelation 1:20. He says that they are the 7 churches. And so if we read the first 3 chapters of Revelation, we find that of those 7 only 2 churches were found to be overcomers: Smyrna & Philadelphia.

And so the 2 candlesticks = 2 churches

In Romans 11, we find out who the two olive trees are: Wild & Natural. In other words, Gentile & Jews.

And so we see that the TWO WITNESSES are TWO GROUPS of people coming together!

These two witnesses in Revelation 11:6 do the same exploits as Moses & Elijah. These two witnesses carry the same anointing of Moses & Elijah!

In other words, the Jews have the Torah (Law) and the Church has the Holy Spirit (Prophecy) and together these two anointings form what is called "The Double Portion Anointing!"

When the remnant who come out of Mystery Babylon Church and the remnant of the Jews who accept Messiah come together in Yahu'shua Messiah as ONE NEW MAN (Ephesians 2:15) and ONE STICK (Ezekiel 37:16-17 Ephraim & Judah), that corporate body of believers will be the remnant who carry the DOUBLE PORTION ANOINTING OF MOSES & ELIJAH!

These two witnesses get resurrected at the 7th Trumpet! That is the LAST TRUMPET in 1st Corinthians 15:51-53 where the saints are caught up and changed!

In other words, the two witnesses are the Overcoming churches and the Messianic Jews who form this ONE NEW man and they are the ones found worthy to recieve the FIRST RESURRECTION at the 7th TRUMPET or LAST TRUMPET, and Yahu'shua said in Matthew 24:31 that all of this happens WITH A GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET (the 7th and last one)

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION!
http://www.doubleportioninheritance.com/fr_home.cfm

[Molly]

12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

--Eze 37

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Or....tribulation, from tribulum, an instrument for threshing (removing the chaff) off wheat (the good Seed). The message of the 7th trump comes to remove the flesh off the churches (body of believers, whether Jew or Gentile after the flesh, they are one in Christ). Corporately, the double potion is the union of these two in Christ, male (Jewish) and his female (gentile).

Singularly, it's the union of a male and female, both of whom have had the flesh removed, their souls washed white as snow (soul is the garment of the Spirit). It's washed by the addition of manna (living revelation as pearls in appearance; I was shown it), as they become as the pots of manna, changed into His image. Remember they were told to gather a double portion of manna (enough for 2 days), in the 6th day.

The RE-union of male and female, spirit and soul, head and body, heart and rib, is what all of this has been about since the beginning. He calls this reunion, THE RESURRECTION, just as the RE-union of Head and Body, was the resurrection, 2000 years ago. My  :2c:

[Nathan]

Another interesting thing:

Ephraim comes from the name Ephratah which is the other name for the town of Bethlehem.

Ephraim means double fruit.

Ephraim was the younger son of Joseph who received the lineage blessing instead of his older brother Manasseh because Jacob switched his hands before he gave the blessing, putting his right hand on Ephraim.  The tribe of Joseph receives a double blessing,--double fruit- through the line of Ephraim [and Manasseh].

Many think Ephraim and Manasseh are today's Christians of the West, Europe and the USA.


14And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

20And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

--Genesis 48



"a multitude of nations"

the fulness of the Gentiles





For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  Rom 11:25

Another one . . .Euphrates . .as in the river . . .that means fruitfulness as well.  It's what dries up in preparation for the kings of the East to cross over on dry ground that Revelation speaks of.  "We" are the kings of the East.  Anything out of the east is connected to "Resurrection" (The rising of the SON) just as those bringing Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh to Jesus were "from the East".  Jacob's wife was from the land of the East . . .that one is permeated all through Scripture.

[Beloved Servant]

The land of Nod is in the East.

[Molly]

Another interesting thing:

Ephraim comes from the name Ephratah which is the other name for the town of Bethlehem.

Ephraim means double fruit.

Ephraim was the younger son of Joseph who received the lineage blessing instead of his older brother Manasseh because Jacob switched his hands before he gave the blessing, putting his right hand on Ephraim.  The tribe of Joseph receives a double blessing,--double fruit- through the line of Ephraim [and Manasseh].

Many think Ephraim and Manasseh are today's Christians of the West, Europe and the USA.


14And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

20And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

--Genesis 48



"a multitude of nations"

the fulness of the Gentiles





For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  Rom 11:25

Another one . . .Euphrates . .as in the river . . .that means fruitfulness as well.  It's what dries up in preparation for the kings of the East to cross over on dry ground that Revelation speaks of.  "We" are the kings of the East.  Anything out of the east is connected to "Resurrection" (The rising of the SON) just as those bringing Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh to Jesus were "from the East".  Jacob's wife was from the land of the East . . .that one is permeated all through Scripture.

That's cool.  So if we are the kings bringing the 3 gifts, what is the spiritual significance of each of the gifts?



Who is this coming up from the wilderness
Like palm-trees of smoke,
Perfumed with myrrh and frankincense,
From every powder of the merchant?"
--Son 3:6

"Till the day doth break forth,
And the shadows have fled away,
I will get me unto the mountain of myrrh,
And unto the hill of frankincense."

--Son 4:6

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Gold/Holy of Holies, Frankencense/Inner Court, and Myrrh (Outer Court).....

[Beloved Servant]

Life
Death
Redemption

[Nathan]

Molly . . . what is making my heart leap right now is not that I have the answer to the questions you ask.  But that you are asking the deeper questions!!  That's how I read Scripture . . .I look for the symbolism in every thing mentioned and see where those patterns lead me.  I'm sure each one of these elements speak to the nature of Jesus. Cardinal has already connected it to the tabernacle . . .the tabernacle is a type and shadow of Jesus himself.  He's all through it, it's all connected to Him.  I do know the gold symbolizes purity and highest honor.  I'm not that familiar with the characteristics of the frankincense and Myrrh to see the connection, but your question is exactly the kind that leads us into the deeper truths that are relevant to our spirit nature so much more so than the tangible qualities that pertain to the literal stories.

[Molly]

wow.

myrrh-outer court-death, for ministering to dead bodies

frankincense-inner court-incense for worship, prayers of the saints

gold-Most Holy Place-so pure it doesn't have to be smelted, the king of the metals, on the outside and inside of the ark of the Covenant.

[Molly]

Gold as a metal doesn't react to things in the outside world.  I have a gold doubloon which was under the sea for 3 or 400 years, and it as shiny and new looking as the day it was born.  It is the 'unchanging metal.'



"Gold is extremely unreactive and doesn't tarnish like most other metals. Consequently, gold jewelery can survive almost unchanged for thousands of years."


1Lord Jehovah, the king will rejoice in your power, and in your salvation he will greatly leap for joy.
Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.

For you meet him with the blessings of goodness: you set a crown of pure gold on his head.

--Psa 21

[eaglesway]

I wonder why there is nothing taught about a double portion in the NT?

That's a really good question!  I'm going to need to explore that a bit.

That's really sort of what the article I posted is getting at too, "what/who/when is being told what".   :2c:

It is in the NT.

For one off the top of my head, you see in Revelation both Joseph and Ephraim listed amog the twelve tribes.  [Dan is gone.]

Also, the transfiguration with Moses and Elijah standing on either side of Jesus.

Can you explain that to me?

A double portion is the inheritance of the firstborn son.. if there are four brothers, 3 get one fifth and the oldest gets two fifths- the double portion. In the NT we all have recieved the inheritance of the firstborn....partaking of the divine nature through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Until we all attain to the unity of the faith, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of the son of God, this is not always so obvious- but it is tru nonetheless. In Galatians four Paul talks about a son, while he is a child(immature), is no different than a slave, being kept under tutors. We are tutored by trial and tribulation taylored to mature us into sons so that we can "recieve the keys".(You have need of perserverance so that after you have done the will of God you may recieve what was promised...Hebrews 10). In other words, he/she(the child, carnal believer, immature one) has the inheritance but cannot partake of it. Jesus gave Peter and the boys the "keys to the kingdom", so that they could walk as sons, in the ministry of reconciliation- because they had been "discipled". Elisha understood the double portion, as Elijah's "firstborn son"(mature disciple) he sought the double portion by "pressing in towards the mark of the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus"- not taking his eyes off Elijah until he ascended. We are to do the same, "from the time of John the baptist till now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence(zeal earnestness) and violent(zealous earnest) men take it by force". Fixing our eyes toward Jesus, we run with patience the race set before us, as sons, because fo sons it must be true, "Zeal for your house consumes me". So let us be consumed :o)

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Phillipians 3:7-15   
   But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Romans 8:16-19 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

[Molly]

Molly . . . what is making my heart leap right now is not that I have the answer to the questions you ask.  But that you are asking the deeper questions!!  That's how I read Scripture . . .I look for the symbolism in every thing mentioned and see where those patterns lead me.  I'm sure each one of these elements speak to the nature of Jesus. Cardinal has already connected it to the tabernacle . . .the tabernacle is a type and shadow of Jesus himself.  He's all through it, it's all connected to Him.  I do know the gold symbolizes purity and highest honor.  I'm not that familiar with the characteristics of the frankincense and Myrrh to see the connection, but your question is exactly the kind that leads us into the deeper truths that are relevant to our spirit nature so much more so than the tangible qualities that pertain to the literal stories.

Thanks, Nathan!