Great Awakenings

[redhotmagma]

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[micah7:9]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

I have asked for an explanation for this statement. And since there is not one forth coming, please tell me when "HIM" went to sleep so that "HIM" that neede to be awoke? I have never thought that "HIM" went to sleep or even needed sleep for that matter. "The only thing that's waking up is HIM?"  :2c: :happygrin:" Or is this just an opinion?

Until the daystar arises in your heart.  It is no longer I but Christ who lives in me.  He was "killed/sleep" in the garden, and He is arising in our hearts.  I think something to that effect

So you dont know what Cardindal means right? I quote, " The only thing that's waking up is HIM.." so I ask, JUST when was HIM asleep? That is my question, the daystar(who by the way several on this forum contend this is "lucifer,) is this the day star of which you speak? So I will continue to ask, " JUST when was HIM asleep? "

[redhotmagma]

Adam is a type of the one to come which is why he is called the daystar.  Lucifer is Adam, not some fallen angel, not satan (although the jury is out as to whether satan is our carnal mind) in my understanding.

sleep is likened to death.  So waking up is the resurrection of Christ in you and me.  Thus the daystar arising in our heart.

[micah7:9]

Adam is a type of the one to come which is why he is called the daystar.  Lucifer is Adam, not some fallen angel, not satan (although the jury is out as to whether satan is our carnal mind) in my understanding.

sleep is likened to death.  So waking up is the resurrection of Christ in you and me.  Thus the daystar arising in our heart.

I do see and somewhat understand that adam, maybe the daystar. Lucifer is adam, I can reasonably see that as well, there are no fallen angels in the Bible that I can find.
The adversary/satan is not the carnal mind.
Sleep is lilkened to death, yes that I to see and reason that to be a truth; and waking up is very much a type of resurrection, yes the Christ in me/you rising.
The daystar is rising in our heart, I do understand that, but none of this is an answer to the statement,
"The only thing that's waking up is HIM.." 
In my opinion, I have not found one place in the Bible that "HIM" has or went to sleep so as to be wakened. That I believe is what I questioned.

[redhotmagma]

Adam is a type of the one to come which is why he is called the daystar.  Lucifer is Adam, not some fallen angel, not satan (although the jury is out as to whether satan is our carnal mind) in my understanding.

sleep is likened to death.  So waking up is the resurrection of Christ in you and me.  Thus the daystar arising in our heart.

I do see and somewhat understand that adam, maybe the daystar. Lucifer is adam, I can reasonably see that as well, there are no fallen angels in the Bible that I can find.
The adversary/satan is not the carnal mind.
Sleep is lilkened to death, yes that I to see and reason that to be a truth; and waking up is very much a type of resurrection, yes the Christ in me/you rising.
The daystar is rising in our heart, I do understand that, but none of this is an answer to the statement,
"The only thing that's waking up is HIM.." 
In my opinion, I have not found one place in the Bible that "HIM" has or went to sleep so as to be wakened. That I believe is what I questioned.

How about when He was asleep in the boat.

He was killed, or put to sleep on the cross.  And then he arose/ woke up.  Now He arises/wakes up in us.

[micah7:9]

I'm sorry but, in my opinion this question I in my reference has lost its compass. Should you have the thought that JESUS "the man" was asleep is the same as God( the "HIM") of which I was asking about, was truly and actually "asleep," as far as not being aware of the goings on of the kosmos, then I must stop thinking; as well His death on the cross, that He was disabled Him from knowing what is/was going on then again I must cease.
I feel that Cardinal must have meant when she said, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  was that WE are awakening to HIM. For me(my opinion) to even consider that "HIM(God/Jesus) can sleep as we understand sleep as repose or death is beyond my reasoning. :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

Reason this:


3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

--Rom 6

[micah7:9]

Reason this:


3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

--Rom 6

Reason this: I'm sorry but, in my opinion this question I in my reference has lost its compass.

[Molly]

...we have been planted together in the likeness of his death...


plmted together"
G4854
σύμφυτος
sumphutos
soom'-foo-tos
From G4862 and a derivative of G5453; grown along with (connate), that is, (figuratively) closely united to: - planted together.


From the combination of two greek words, sun=companionship and phuo=germinate or grow [as a seed]

..we shall be also of [his] resurrection.

[redhotmagma]

Are we not born dead?  He is asleep in us until the voice calls into the darkness and it is no longer I that lives but Christ in me. The daystar is the first star seen when morning is dawning. At the end of John christ appears to the disciples while theyre fishing as the morning is dawning. 

[Molly]

Romans 6 is saying

we are baptized into the death of Christ TOGETHER WITH HIM

and thus we shall be raised TOGETHER WITH HIM into the newness of life.


This is a new man being described here--



8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

[micah7:9]

Okay, you win. Then what about this with all this dying going on? Joh 11:26  and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die--to the age;

[Molly]

8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him

--Rom 6


Being dead in your sins and being baptized into Christ's death together with him seem to be two different things.


if we are buried with him, planted together [with him] in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [raised togehter with him in the likeness of his] resurrection.

At this point, death has no more dominion over us, we live [together with him]and shall never die.

We have crossed over [together with Christ] from death to life.




because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death  Rom 8:2

[micah7:9]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

[Molly]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

Christ in you, the hope of glory.


He died so you can live, Micah.

[Molly]

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed

--1Peter 2:24

[micah7:9]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

Christ in you, the hope of glory.


He died so you can live, Micah.

Molly is the QUESTION to difficult to answer? The Lord has blessed me with the understanding of all your latest posts about baptism death, dying to self, and being awaked by His Spirit when we are born again; that it is Christ in me the hope of glory that is awakened in me by HIM (and you) as we have been given knowledge of His LIFE. My question is..... When was HIM(HE) asleep to be awakened? NOT how we are awakened by HIM.

[Molly]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

Christ in you, the hope of glory.


He died so you can live, Micah.

Molly is the QUESTION to difficult to answer? The Lord has blessed me with the understanding of all your latest posts about baptism death, dying to self, and being awaked by His Spirit when we are born again; that it is Christ in me the hope of glory that is awakened in me by HIM (and you) as we have been given knowledge of His LIFE. My question is..... When was HIM(HE) asleep to be awakened? NOT how we are awakened by HIM.

Who do you think Satan killed [put to sleep] in the garden?

Some high level ape pulliing raw meat out of his teeth?

No, it was al Adam, the son of God.

[micah7:9]

Quote from: Cardinal on December 01, 2011, 09:15:59 AM Reply #22

    :cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:


I have asked for an explanation for this statement. And since there is not one forth coming, please tell me when "HIM" went to sleep so that "HIM" that neede to be awoke? I have never thought that "HIM" went to sleep or even needed sleep for that matter. "The only thing that's waking up is HIM?"  :2c: :happygrin:" Or is this just an opinion?

redhotmagma Reply #23
"Until the daystar arises in your heart.  It is no longer I but Christ who lives in me.  He was "killed/sleep" in the garden, and He is arising in our hearts.  I think something to that effect"

micah7:9   Reply #26

So you dont know what Cardindal means right? I quote, " The only thing that's waking up is HIM.." so I ask, JUST when was HIM asleep? That is my question, the daystar(who by the way several on this forum contend this is "lucifer,) is this the day star of which you speak? So I will continue to ask, " JUST when was HIM asleep? "

Now if you read all the posts prior to this how would you understand the "HIM?" I, I guess, ignorantly thought it pertained to HIM- God, I would never have thought that the capital letters of HIM was pertaining to anyone else but God. So from all the post from that point on there was this small, stupid, and ignorant assumption by me, at least that is my opinion. :sigh:

[Molly]

God uses a farming metaphor to describe it.  The 'HIM' is a seed.   A seed comes from a plant.  The seed is produced as the plant dies.  The seed is planted and creates a new plant--just like the old plant that died.

We are told that this is a mystery that has been hidden from ages and generations--Christ in you, the hope of glory.

That seed--Christ-- is there, waiting for the right conditions to germinate.

Wherefore we are planted together with him into his death--not our death, his death--and raised by the same power that raised him from the dead, together with him into the newness of life.

It is to this seed that the promise is made.

The seed is the word of God.


For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. [1Pet1:23]

[thinktank]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

Perhaps she is talking about the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins.

The people are all asleep, but the only person who is awake is Jesus the morning star who wakes us up with the cock crowing at midnight.

[WhiteWings]

This is what Cardinal posted, "The only thing that's waking up is HIM.."  Please just tell me in a simple way(I am simple you see) when HIM went to sleep so that HIM had to awake? That's all I want to know. :sigh:

My thought/guess so  :2c:
Believers are said to be "in Christ".
That means the believers are always in the same situation as Jesus is. On the cross. In the grave. On the right hand of God. And.... waking up.
Slighly related: A pastor once said to me "If God looks at you He doesn't see you but Jesus."
To avoid misunderstanding he was not meaning that all Christians are (called) Jesus.

Time for some sleep :grave:

[micah7:9]

Hell the great awakenings were about the waking up to the populace who they spoke to let yo know that Hell is alive an well. And by God you had better wake up to that fact or you are surely going to Hell! Wake the Hell up you  are gonna fry for one hell of a long time. Copuntry music, which I love made a lot of money with all that  going to hell stuff. Religion with out the truth is no awakening at all, on any level. Spewing lies to scare the hell our of people to get saved and come to God is a disgusting thing, with the end of your life is going to hell and roast and burn wiothout relief. Does any one think that is true?
Well according to the records many poor souls fell into the loop.
Yeh, I know that God allowed it for His reasonings and the time, but aint it time now to unveil the lies they spoke that drove some to suicide for fear they would end up in a place where their suffering for their sins would never die? Or killed their babies for fear they would die before they were baptized?
Should the lie be revealed that there was no "Great Awakening," but a pull for money and the control of the masses? There was nothing "awakening" about any of the the 3 great awakinings, and now we have a radio person speaking about a 4th great awakening. Should we be afraid of such things? I must wonder. :dontknow: