Great Awakenings

[micah7:9]

The Great Awakenings
Am I in error in my reasonings that all these "Awakenings," all were "awakened [if they were awoke at all]" by the threat of preachers pounding and shouting out in great oration of an "eternal hell fire of torment and torture?" Assuredly awakened to the utter dispair, that babies, parents, all loved ones who did not believe in Jesus Chirst, were forever lost in the terrible and horrible place called hell.
So my questioned is, just what is so great about these awakenings, if each time folks were in fact, kept asleep to the Truth of what The Father and His Son revealed in The Word?
That God is Love. That there is no place of eteranl torment. And I'm sure that it is known that there were men/women who knew the Truth that Jesus is the Savior of the World, in those periods, and that only few "awoke" to that Truth, for surely some heard and did awake.
Thought this would make for a good discussion, but then again?

The First Great Awakening began in 1720 and lasted many, many years.
Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield

The Second Great Awakening was strongest in the western states, following the revival at Cane Ridge in Kentucky, and also in the "burned over" district of upstate New York.[3]
New denominations included several major religious denominations,groups,and societies including Seventh-day Adventists, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, and the Latter Day Saint movement.
The abolition movement emerged in the North from the wider Second Great Awakening 1800-1840.
 
The Third Great Awakening in 1880-1910 was characterized by new denominations, very active missionary work, and also the Social Gospel approach to social issues.[4]

The Fourth Great Awakening is a debated concept that has not received the acceptance of the first three.
Advocates such as economist Robert Fogel say it happened in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

[micah7:9]

This post has been read 16 times and not one person has a thought................hummmmm? :dontknow:

[Molly]

I remember reading something by one of the Eby type guys, can't remember which one---He said, we are the Elijah troop announcing the second coming of Christ.

That would qualify as a really great awakening.

So I wait.

As to past great awakenings, all I can say is, the faith must be passed down from generation to generation, and how that happens is a bit of a mystery to me as I look around and see hardly any faith everywhere I look.  So these are perhaps tourch bearers for the next generation.

I didn't write any of this because I figured you wouldn't like it.  But, since you asked...

[jabcat]

I wasn't sure what to say.  Because I see much error, but also, as you said Molly, there's still at least a measure of faith being passed down.

I like what Gary says;  we're living in an age of a mixture of truth and error.  Pray for the day when the veil is lifted, and His righteousness covers the earth!

[Beloved Servant]

The Lord ALWAYS has a remnant — without fail.
We're just alone in a strange city.

[micah7:9]

Luke 18:8

[micah7:9]

"..... announcing the second coming of Christ." And just when is this "second coming?" I have read of no second coming.


P.S. "... I figured you wouldn't like it."  If that "you " is"  refering to me, who cares if and what I "like?"

"..Because I see much error,.." Jabcat

What untruths? Just wondering. :dontknow:

So, if there were "great awakenings," what were they awoken to? I what ever generation?

[micah7:9]

Do we await a second coming? Is there a second coming? Or was there already a second coming and a third and so on? What is the second coming?
Is hell real? Is there really a place of eternal torment? At least the translators use and put the word "hell" in there, where is or are the words, "second coming," in the Bible? Yet a second coming has become [a]the doctrine taught today. Is this second coming doctrine yet another great awakening?

[jabcat]

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"..Because I see much error,.." Jabcat

What untruths? Just wondering. :dontknow:

So, if there were "great awakenings," what were they awoken to? I what ever generation?

mixture of law and grace
"church" traditions (all the pagan influences and connections to the "mother church" of Rome)
hell/eternal torment
+ others


Re: great awakenings...I personally probably wouldn't call them that.  I think they may have had some type of revivals with some people at least acknowledging God more, but again, much of it still mixed with the errors mentioned above.    I'm one that believes these things were necessary in God's plan, including Luther's progress of at least somewhat breaking away from the Catholic "church".  IMO, that (the "Reformation"), as well as the other "great awakenings" still have a long ways to go before reaching the point of "God all in all" - and only God can bring that about.  All in His timing.   :2c:

[micah7:9]

Great! That is a very well said and I must agree. In my opinion the great awakenings are steps. Yeah and the Reformation that Luther was used for, in my opinion was more of a great awakening because it took the "church" out of the way  and gave us a direct voice to God.
In my opinion the "great awakenings" served as the awakening to religion and those who new how to work it, to gain money and build names and buildings for themselves; they may have made God more aware to the people, but they did it through fear and not love (tho it may have been disguised as love.) Nothing was awakened.

[Molly]

Great! That is a very well said and I must agree. In my opinion the great awakenings are steps. Yeah and the Reformation that Luther was used for, in my opinion was more of a great awakening because it took the "church" out of the way  and gave us a direct voice to God.
In my opinion the "great awakenings" served as the awakening to religion and those who new how to work it, to gain money and build names and buildings for themselves; they may have made God more aware to the people, but they did it through fear and not love (tho it may have been disguised as love.) Nothing was awakened.

There is a place for these churches.  They are like a big, noisy parade that marches by your house, gaining your attention.  Or the smaller ones, like a standard, placed in the middle of towns all over america, reminding us there is a God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

If they can no longer feed you, then move on.  But, they fed you for a long time, by your own account.

Now I drive by huge mosques in sleepy little towns and think, Where am I?

And what are they feeding to my neighbors?

[micah7:9]

" But, they fed you for a long time, by your own account." Yes you are correct and I got fat with bad food and
1Sa 4:18 And it comes to pass, at his mentioning the ark of Elohim, that he falls from off the throne backward, by the side of the gate, and his neck is broken, and he dies, for the man [is] old and heavy, and he has judged Israel forty years.

So within all that time listening to the hum of empty words, by my own account, and I got fat and sick. My opinion concerning the "awakenings," is that yes God was made known but the value of that knowledge was empty, much like it is today with Mr. Beck and his great awakenings. Beck is awakening the people to a renewing of God in their life, which is good, but has no idea and passes on no knowledge of why God IS. Dont get me wrong if you are a Beck follower, I like and listen to Beck.

[sheila]

 good posts!

    Loved that scripture,Micah.   An ass had to be redeemed or it's neck broken...and the Lord rode into Jerusalem on a colt of an ass.....yes, the Lord has

  need of 'asses' too!   a beast of burden.......

[CHB]

Do we await a second coming? Is there a second coming? Or was there already a second coming and a third and so on? What is the second coming?
Is hell real? Is there really a place of eternal torment? At least the translators use and put the word "hell" in there, where is or are the words, "second coming," in the Bible? Yet a second coming has become [a]the doctrine taught today. Is this second coming doctrine yet another great awakening?

Micah, would you please explain what you mean about the second coming? Do you believe Jesus will return at a future time, or do you think he won't return in the future? If Jesus did come in the future wouldn't that be a second coming?  Curious as to how you see this?

CHB

[micah7:9]

Micah, would you please explain what you mean about the second coming? Do you believe Jesus will return at a future time, or do you think he won't return in the future?
Here is where Bro. Eby and others are truly in revelation knowledge....He came, He comes, and He will come. Men of religion seem to hold this "second coming" as a carrot, a tool to keep the edge of apprehension(Fearful or joyful expectation or anticipation) He came a first time, and a second time, and third time....HE COMES! Coming= G3952 "parousia" a being near;
coming, presence.
Heb 13:5  Without covetousness the behaviour, being content with the things present, for He hath said, `No, I will not leave, no, nor forsake thee,'

If Jesus did come in the future wouldn't that be a second coming? I hope what the Lord has given me in the way I wrote is an answer to a second coming.

Curious as to how you see this? I give all credit for this understanding to the Lord, who for me, used the writings of Bro. Eby who enlighten me.










Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega,is saying the Lord God, Who is and Who was and Who is coming, the Almighty."

[CHB]

micah, I see what you mean and I agree.

CHB

[micah7:9]

micah, I see what you mean and I agree.

CHB

Can we say GLORY! :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

Please explain?

[thinktank]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

Please explain?

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:cloud9:  :lazy:  :snor:  | :drummer: |  Huh  :mshock:

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

Please explain?

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:cloud9:  :lazy:  :snor:  | :drummer: |  Huh  :mshock:

Are you being a "wise" guy Thinktank? :dontknow:

[thinktank]

 :laughing7:  #No , enjoy the cartoon

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

I have asked for an explanation for this statement. And since there is not one forth coming, please tell me when "HIM" went to sleep so that "HIM" that neede to be awoke? I have never thought that "HIM" went to sleep or even needed sleep for that matter. "The only thing that's waking up is HIM?"  :2c: :happygrin:" Or is this just an opinion?

[redhotmagma]

:cloud9: The only thing that's waking up is HIM..... :2c: :happygrin:

I have asked for an explanation for this statement. And since there is not one forth coming, please tell me when "HIM" went to sleep so that "HIM" that neede to be awoke? I have never thought that "HIM" went to sleep or even needed sleep for that matter. "The only thing that's waking up is HIM?"  :2c: :happygrin:" Or is this just an opinion?

Until the daystar arises in your heart.  It is no longer I but Christ who lives in me.  He was "killed/sleep" in the garden, and He is arising in our hearts.  I think something to that effect

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Thanks, Redhot......I can't be on here much right now, so it's nice to know someone "has my back", LOL..... :thumbsup: