Never..John 11.26

[WhiteWings]

CHB:  This says after Jesus' death he was quickened by the Spirit.

After... It doesn't say instantly.

He preached to the spirits in prison.

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
"In prison" (en phulakēi) would be a metaphor for Israel's captivity to sin or satan (cf. Matt. 12:29; Mk. 3:27; Lk. 11:21). Isaiah says that the servant of the Lord will "bring out from bonds those who are bound and from the prison (phulakas) house those who sit in darkness" (Is. 42:7 LXX).

http://www.postost.net/commentary/1-pet/3/did-jesus-preach-spirits-prison-between-his-death-resurrection

[sheila]

.....and the creature was subjected to vanity,not of it's own will,but by the will of He who subjected it...in order that

      the whole creation would be set FREE....INTO   THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE SONS OF GOD

[Molly]

He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. [Mat 25:33]


Awake, awake! Clothe yourself with strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in days gone by, as in generations of old. [Isa 51:19]


The Lord hath prepared his holy arm in the sight of all the Gentiles: and all the ends of the earth shall see THE SALVATION OF OUR GOD [Y'shuah elohiym]. [Isa 52:10]

[Molly]

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and ARISE FROM THE DEAD, and Christ shall give thee light.
--Eph 5:14


"ARISE, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.  [Isa 61]

[Nathan]

Just out of curiosity, what is the importance about this idea that Jesus was 100% dead and not alive until after his resurrection?  Why is there such an emphasis on death at all?  What's the significance?

[sheila]

    There is a way that seems right to a man,but in the end it leads to death.   Now the spirit of Christ Our Lord leads us to the tree of life.

    I am concerned that some of the little children may have stumbled, or we have not addressed something fully

Let them speak their concerns...maybe they will be reassured by what

   the holy spirit brings out to them on the board. And a clearer declaration of scriptures and spirit will edify us all.


    Psalms 116;15  Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints

     The last enemy to be overcome is death...maybe we need to prepare better for it.   The squeeky wheel gets the 'oil"

[Nathan]

The last enemy is death . . .

Question . . .

Did or did "not" Jesus already over come that?

[Molly]

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. [Rom 8:2]


But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. [Rom 6:22]

[sheila]

Of course Jesus overcome death...but maybe, He is concerned for some of the little ones that have not quite attained it,yet.

   FEED MY SHEEP

[Molly]

Of course Jesus overcome death...but maybe, He is concerned for some of the little ones that have not quite attained it,yet.

   FEED MY SHEEP

I thought I was serving up a banquet.  :mshock:

[Nathan]

What if it's already accomplished . .. like everything else he set out to do . . .but because people are still in a "flatland" position, they can't "see" the finished state.  Even when you explain it, they would rather hang on to what they can prove rather than what can't be seen.

And Molly, I thought your last post where you quoted Scripture really does answer the question . . .We are free from the "law of death".  Which is kinda why I've been questioning the reasoning behind the emphasis on this death issue in the first place.  If eternal life is truly in us, why all of the talk about the goings on after death?  Or, for that matter, why think that we'll be "in" death if we're free from the law of death??

[sheila]

 :laughing7:   I know it! Me,too!   But maybe it need's to be 'examined further"?

[sheila]

Micah 4;2  Come, let us go up to the Mountain of the Lord[transfiguration], to the House of the God of Jacob

  He will teach us His ways,so that we may walk in His paths

[Nathan]

I had considered sharing this but kinda side-stepped the idea as it would probably call for its' own thread, but you just made it relevant.  This came out of our study last night as we journey through the book of Genesis.  Here's the context . . .

Genesis 26
12Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him.
13And the man waxed great, and went forward, and grew until he became very great:
14For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants: and the Philistines envied him.
15For all the wells which his father's servants had digged in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth.
16And Abimelech said unto Isaac, Go from us; for thou art much mightier than we.
17And Isaac departed thence, and pitched his tent in the valley of Gerar, and dwelt there.
18And Isaac digged again the wells of water, which they had digged in the days of Abraham his father; for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham: and he called their names after the names by which his father had called them.
19And Isaac's servants digged in the valley, and found there a well of springing water.
20And the herdmen of Gerar did strive with Isaac's herdmen, saying, The water is ours: and he called the name of the well Esek; (quarreling) because they strove with him.
21And they digged another well, and strove for that also: and he called the name of it Sitnah. (enmity)
22And he removed from thence, and digged another well; and for that they strove not: and he called the name of it Rehoboth; and he said, For now the LORD hath made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land.
23And he went up from thence to Beersheba.
24And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

The reason why I say you just made this relevant is because of your comment about  "examine this further" and then you quoted Scripture about where the actual source of truth is at . . .which is not in other men, but in the Mountain of the Lord .. .

But the story in the context is about a person who is trying to "find" their "place" and every time they dig a well . . .signifying a spiritual connection with God . . . someone comes along and fills their well back in with . . .. earth . . .flesh . .. carnality . . .natural reasonings . . . so what once was a well of refreshment and life, now has been named as quarreling . . .the next well, same thing, but it's named as "enmity" . . .that Genesis word about the conflict between my soul and spirit . . .between the spiritual and natural . . .much like the conversations happening on the boards . . .but finally, he gets far enough away from the nay-sayers to where he finds home.  Finally, he gets to a places that's beyond the reaches of the "noise" of earth-dwellers that he can rest in the "sound" of his position in God.

At that point . . .he goes "up".  It's an ascended place.  Only after he gets beyond the reaches of those who use earth, carnal ways to fill in his spiritual source of strength . . .with in me, only when I get above the noise of my flesh do I then set myself up to be "caught up" to the upper room where the flowing well of the spirit can be poured out upon ALL flesh. And THAT'S when the Lord can finally "appear" to him.  And like Jesus did with Peter in making his relationship "personal", God did the same thing here.  Fear not, for I am with you . . .we've heard that song over and over.  "Fear not . ..for "I" am with you . . ."  But I don't think we have the emphasis quite right.  I think it was more like . . ."Fear not, for I am with YOU. . .  it brings it down to me as an individual with God rather than just an inclusion with all the rest who try to pursue God's promises.  But in all of it . . .he had to first get beyond those that kept filling his wells of living water with their earth-thinking ways.

[sheila]

  :thumbsup:    The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few,

     ASK THE LORD OF THE HARVEST,THERE FORE,TO SEND OUT WORKERS INTO HIS HARVEST FIELD

   When He saw the crowds He had compassion on them,because they were harassed and helpless,like sheep without a shepherd

    stellar post Nathan!

[Molly]

He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. [Rom 2:7]

Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.[Jn 4:30]

Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.[Eph 6:24]

You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.[Heb 10:36]



"immortality"
G861
ἀφθαρσία
aphtharsia
af-thar-see'-ah
From G862; incorruptibility; generally unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness: - immortality, incorruption, sincerity.

[sheila]

'If anyone is thirsty,let him come to me and drink, Whoever beleives in me,as the scripture has said, STREAMS OF LIVING WATER WILL FLOW

  FROM WITHIN HIM. By this,He meant, THE SPIRIT,whom those who beleived in Him,were later to receive