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[micah7:9]

What's in a name?

One person says they believe in the I AM and thay are referring to their own being

Another person speaks of believing in the I AM and they are speaking of the one true invisible almighty Creator- YHWH

My opinion was refering to the later. But you are very correct, one can say they believe in God and refer to Baal. So I believe you are correct.....What's in a name, but I believe there is a power in I AM and I dont speak of myself.

[thinktank]

I just dont understand why the translators threw a Latin word smack dab in the middle of Hebrew :dontknow:

The Latin word is not thrown smack dab into the middle of Hebrew.  It is thrown smack dab into the middle of English by the King James translators who liked the name.  We have plenty of English words that come from Latin.

Whatever, its a square circle in the midst of round holes.
And I repeat  It is my opinion that a lot of people who say they believe in I AM, offer far to much recognition to the adversary. :sigh:

That's amusing, coming from a guy who says lucifer is God, not understanding fully what he even says.

[micah7:9]

I just dont understand why the translators threw a Latin word smack dab in the middle of Hebrew :dontknow:

The Latin word is not thrown smack dab into the middle of Hebrew.  It is thrown smack dab into the middle of English by the King James translators who liked the name.  We have plenty of English words that come from Latin.

Whatever, its a square circle in the midst of round holes.
And I repeat  It is my opinion that a lot of people who say they believe in I AM, offer far to much recognition to the adversary. :sigh:

That's amusing, coming from a guy who says lucifer is God, not understanding fully what he even says.

Dont remember saying "a guy who says lucifer is God,"  but I will say that is sure seems that there is a lot of reference to lucifer as being very close to having such a great amount of power that one would think he could at sometime overpower the Creator. I know that the adversary is refered to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

[WhiteWings]

We had another Lucifer thread here: http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/christian_life/lucifer_fact_or_fiction_9047.msg112309.html#msg112309

[thinktank]

I just dont understand why the translators threw a Latin word smack dab in the middle of Hebrew :dontknow:

The Latin word is not thrown smack dab into the middle of Hebrew.  It is thrown smack dab into the middle of English by the King James translators who liked the name.  We have plenty of English words that come from Latin.

Whatever, its a square circle in the midst of round holes.
And I repeat  It is my opinion that a lot of people who say they believe in I AM, offer far to much recognition to the adversary. :sigh:

That's amusing, coming from a guy who says lucifer is God, not understanding fully what he even says.

Dont remember saying "a guy who says lucifer is God,"  but I will say that is sure seems that there is a lot of reference to lucifer as being very close to having such a great amount of power that one would think he could at sometime overpower the Creator. I know that the adversary is refered to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

You said "maybe Lucifer is Gods name".

But
what if the devil is the adversary, but what does that change in terms of his/its power?

Isn't an adversary an adversary?

[sheila]

what's in a name?

   when the real I AM STANDS UP....ALL THE OTHER IMPOSTERS ARE DISSOLVED! 2 Peter 3;10

[micah7:9]

I just dont understand why the translators threw a Latin word smack dab in the middle of Hebrew :dontknow:

The Latin word is not thrown smack dab into the middle of Hebrew.  It is thrown smack dab into the middle of English by the King James translators who liked the name.  We have plenty of English words that come from Latin.

Whatever, its a square circle in the midst of round holes.
And I repeat  It is my opinion that a lot of people who say they believe in I AM, offer far to much recognition to the adversary. :sigh:

That's amusing, coming from a guy who says lucifer is God, not understanding fully what he even says.

Dont remember saying "a guy who says lucifer is God,"  but I will say that is sure seems that there is a lot of reference to lucifer as being very close to having such a great amount of power that one would think he could at sometime overpower the Creator. I know that the adversary is refered to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

You said "maybe Lucifer is Gods name".

But
what if the devil is the adversary, but what does that change in terms of his/its power?

Isn't an adversary an adversary?

If I said that I was refering to what the supposed meaning is. I aplogize. The devil(accuser-traducer) is the adversary. The word "satan" means "adversary."

[micah7:9]

what's in a name?

   when the real I AM STANDS UP....ALL THE OTHER IMPOSTERS ARE DISSOLVED! 2 Peter 3;10

I believe quite a bit is in a name. Rev 2:17  He who is having an ear--let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: To him who is overcoming, I will give to him to eat from the hidden manna, and will give to him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, that no one knew except him who is receiving it .

Rev 3:12  He who is overcoming--I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and without he may not go any more, and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, that doth come down out of the heaven from my God--also my new name.

Isa 62:2  And nations have seen thy righteousness, And all kings thine honour, And He is giving to thee a new name, That the mouth of Jehovah doth define.
Isa 66:22  For, as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making, Are standing before Me, An affirmation of Jehovah! So remain doth your seed and your name.

[Molly]

I know that the adversary is referred to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

I just did, but since you ignore everything I have to say, why would I give you more?


Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
--1Peter 5:8

in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.[2Cor:2:11

[micah7:9]

I know that the adversary is referred to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

I just did, but since you ignore everything I have to say, why would I give you more?


Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
--1Peter 5:8

in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.[2Cor:2:11

That is not my wonder, HOW, WHERE did it come ABOUT to be "he?"

[Molly]

I know that the adversary is referred to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

I just did, but since you ignore everything I have to say, why would I give you more?


Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
--1Peter 5:8

in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.[2Cor:2:11

That is not my wonder, HOW, WHERE did it come ABOUT to be "he?"

Through the successive revelation of the NT, I would say, because that is where it happened.  The OT is vague on such matters, although one could intuit Satan is a 'he' even in the OT.

[sheila]

 male and female....God and Jerusalem Above, Christ and NEW Jerusalem....Satn and Babylon...always male female counterparts

  Spirit[male..created first] soul[female..taken as portion from spirit..formed into soul      so,Babylon is of satan and satans wife...and fornicates with

  the kings of the earth..and is drunk on the blood of all mankind

[Molly]

I'm starting to think it's too horrifying for most people to bear.  So they ignore, water it down.


I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
--Rev 17:6

[jabcat]

I'm starting to think it's too horrifying for most people to bear.  So they ignore, water it down.


I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
--Rev 17:6

Wide-spread literal martyrdom?  I'd guess some see it more as symbolic..

[Beloved Servant]

Drunk everyday of the year. Astonishing.

www.magnificat.ca/cal/engl/main.htm

[sheila]

 I don't see it as symbolic,Jabcat.  That's why He says give her a double portion  of her own cup  ....and they are the twice dead

[micah7:9]

I am probably naive or unlearned, but when Shelia(especially Shelia) and Molly confer, I am lost as to what they are talking about. Its just me I am sure, I am just unaware of what they are saying. Im sorry if I offend, its not that I mean to, I just dont understand.

[eaglesway]

What's in a name?

One person says they believe in the I AM and thay are referring to their own being

Another person speaks of believing in the I AM and they are speaking of the one true invisible almighty Creator- YHWH

My opinion was refering to the later. But you are very correct, one can say they believe in God and refer to Baal. So I believe you are correct.....What's in a name, but I believe there is a power in I AM and I dont speak of myself.

Yea I agree with that Micah. I love the  "I AM That I AM" because it means "I AM An ABSOLUTE BEING, the same THROUGH and THROUGH. My purposes do not change. I AM your REDEEMER. I AM your CREATOR. I AM the one who formed you from the dust of the earth and breathed the breath of life into you. I AM going to become ALL THAT I AM IN EVERYONE BECAUSE I WANT TO. It is my KIND INTENTION, my GOOD WILL towards men, MY GOOD NEWS :o)   

Come unto me all that labor and are heavy laden for I am meek and lowly of heart and you will find rest. Come all you who thirst, drink freely of the water of life.
Come, take up your cross, let death reform you into an absolute being- a being FULL OF LOVE ;o)

[micah7:9]

God H430 'ĕlôhı̂ym  Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; From H43o 'ĕlôahh  'ĕlôahh a deity or the deity: - God, god. See H430.

A god is what or who YOU want it to be. I believe that Genesis chapter one should read "The beginning I AM created, " God as a word is whatever one desires  it is a mystery. Jesus said Joh 1:18 God no one has ever seen. The only-begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He unfolds Him."
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

We have no idea who or what "god" is.

[WhiteWings]

I know that the adversary is referred to as "he" can anyone lead me to where in the Bible it says or shows how the adversary is a "he" rather than say "it?"

I just did, but since you ignore everything I have to say, why would I give you more?


Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
--1Peter 5:8

in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.[2Cor:2:11

That is not my wonder, HOW, WHERE did it come ABOUT to be "he?"

Keep in mind that some things have a gender. A ship clearly is a thing but it's called a she.

[sheila]

 Adam would observe whatever creature God would bring..knowing the characters of it..he would name it. For instance a duck..so named..

  means 'to immerse'  To know and name something meant to hold dominion over it  Now,the serpent was more craftly than any beast of the feild God had made

  crafty=subtly deceitful

    Note,Jesus asked the spirit'what is your name?'  We are many..like the many who took the broad path...and the many He died for the sins of.

   the signifigance of receiving a name that only you knew..was that no other created thing would hold dominance over you. FREEDOM OF THE SONS OF GOD

   also,the new name denotes the new nature in you

[eaglesway]

30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Maybe the angels are asexual.
Maybe they are male and female but they just don't marry.
   Maybe "he" is the default setting for any sentient "it" with a personality(in other words, its a language thing).
     Maybe they are all "He"s (Michael, Gabriel etc.)
       Maybe it is unknowable at this time- one big MAYBE

[sheila]

 Well,Eagle's way..satan and babylon have done a lot of work to pervert the roles of the sexes..even convincing men they are a woman in a man's body..

  perverting the natural use of the female...to bear offspring...These roles are set forever. When one of the female angels from heaven appear to you,you will no longer

wonder.  Babylon's female spirits will visit at night and incite lust in men..when Father's female spirit's/daughters visit you will converse of Holy chaste things...

   succubus and incubus...are the evil contrast of the virgins of heaven

[micah7:9]

Well,Eagle's way..satan and babylon have done a lot of work to pervert the roles of the sexes..even convincing men they are a woman in a man's body..

  perverting the natural use of the female...to bear offspring...These roles are set forever. When one of the female angels from heaven appear to you,you will no longer

wonder.  Babylon's female spirits will visit at night and incite lust in men..when Father's female spirit's/daughters visit you will converse of Holy chaste things...

   succubus and incubus...are the evil contrast of the virgins of heaven

"satan and babylon have done a lot of work to pervert the roles of the sexes"???????

Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28  And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30  backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31  without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

[sheila]

 oy yeah..they were bearing the image of the corrupt one,alright...the bastard reprobate satan's very image

    are you really really sure this is what you want to do? Defend satan and put all the blame on man?...Man is disciplined over it,for sure, and

  appointed to die ONCE.. then the Judgement/with mercy and free gift of righteousness.BUT THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE TWICE DEAD