I Thessalonians 4:15-18 question.

[Nathan]

Hmmm . . .I see "us" as the city of New Jerusalem, not so much a literal city, but a spiritual position in Christ.  In the Spirit, we're "all" Jews.  And you say the earth is the last enemy?  I thought it was supposed to be "death".

[sheila]

Hi Nathan

  indeed it is all mankind in the image of the Son that the Holy city is made up of.LITERALLY when that which is spiritual is manifest[becomes substance]

   the earth be our fleshy corruptible vessell with the adversary[sin.satan]let loose  in it..surrounding the camp...body of death

  we will be delivered of it when we are clothed in celestial flesh

 
   the camp is a temporal dwelling of the spirit in the wilderness of the earth[who is this coming UP from the wilderness,leaning on her lover]


     the city is the eternal permanent dwelling place[home]

[Beloved Servant]

Son 7:11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  Good to see you back, Nate  :thumbsup:

[Nathan]

Thanks Card . . . tough to go cold turkey but sometimes I need to regroup and double-check my priorities for why I do what I do and say what I say.

[sheila]

  the better resurrection from the dead..Paul hoped to attain.....

  the first resurrection of which all mankind must.do partake

    John 11;25  Jesus said to her,'I am the resurrection and the life. He who beleives in me will live even though He dies,and whoever lives and beleives in me

  will NEVER DIE. DO YOU BELEIVE THIS?


    John 10;10  I COME THAT they MAY HAVE LIFE , and have it to the full

   we speak of attaining the fullness of Christ...Paul strived for that fullnesss....he also revealed the hope of ascending alive/being changed in a twinkling of an eye


   this is all the first resurrection....but an individual fullness of it


some are resurrected/have hope in Christ/die spiritually..then flesh dies also...this is the letting loose of satan to deceive an individual,with a lying spirit

and they fight against the Holy city..a sin unto death....these ...even though they die will live

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  now, carnal babes had divisions and strife in Christ....and we know that anyone who has the mark of the beast/carnal..CAN NOT LIVE these too are dead in Christ

but will live.


   Now remember it is He that has the keys and read His letters to the church...and He who overcomes will not be hurt of the secound death,[have no fear

littl flock,for I have overcome the world]   He is giving instruction in His letters to various spiritual states His church is in..Some will overcome..and some won't

they are near spiritual death. Laodecia is spiritually dead.[but the will live even though they die] 



Some He speaks to as coming and warring against them with the sword of His mouth[see the mislead gog crowd that fights against the camp of the Holy city]


   Now look at the overcomers in Rev...there is no lie in their mouths   they are blameless   they overcame they are clean of any deceptions or error of truth

  as it pertains to Christ. Now the Holy spirit is to lead us all into the things that pertain to Christ,but there are many anti-christs  that come to rob,kill His body members


    All  mankind at death overcomes...and is raised incorruptible, they are taught of God..for He finishes all our training,regardless of how carnal a Christian in understanding

  while in this world/or how duped they were by the adversary[He restores]


   Now as to ascending alive, those that are not deceived/that have overcome...are in the camp of the Holy city...and their testimony is an acceptable offering unto

the Lord.  Now the prophets of Baal and the groves had a dispute with ELIJAH...as to who spoke truth..and worshipped the true God.


  The misled fought against truth..with lies......and fire comes down fromheaven and consumes  the sacrifice made by Elijah[He who takes away the sin of the whole world]

[sheila]

 cont's

  for it is an acceptable sacrifice unto the LORD..offered...SPIRIT AND TRUTH


   do not be afraid to offer unto Him...HIS WORDS OF TRUTH

   it is the ONLY WAY TO ASCEND ALIVE