Near Death Experiences, Round 1,000

[jabcat]

I must say, I generally enjoyed these accounts - though for me, marred by "hell" inclusions - at least their interpretion of hell.  Do you think they may have really seen a place of "torment"/correction, yet their interpretation of it was that it "eternal" - not based on anything they heard or experienced, but on their own thoughts/past or current beliefs?  If so, does everything else match up for you, or do you see other "holes" in it that might make you think "imagination" (such as Bill Weiss' 23 Minutes in Hell) vs. real events (with maybe some misinterpretation of specifics)?


Account #1

One night while diving for lobster on the small Island of Mauritius I was stung on my forearm by 5 Box-Jellyfish, which the local Creole fishermen called "invisables" A sting from a Box-Jellyfish often proves to be fatal - as exemplified in Australia where 70 people are known to have died from their stings. Many books quote this particular type of Jellyfish to be among the most venomous creatures in the world.
By the time an ambulance arrived my body was totally paralyzed and necrosis had begun to set into my bone marrow. On route to the hospital I began to see my life flash before me. At this point of my life I was an atheist - but I knew I was nearly dead and I didn't know if there was life after death or whether there was just nothing. As I lay there dying, I saw my mother in a vision praying for me, encouraging me to cry out to God from my heart and He would hear me and forgive me (my mother was the only Christian in our family.) I didn't know what to pray and cried out that if God was real, could He help me to pray. Immediately God showed me the Lord's Prayer, and for the first time in my life I prayed from my heart and gave my life to the Lord.

Death & Hell
The ambulance stopped and they placed me in a wheel chair and raced me into the hospital. The nurse took my blood pressure twice but could not find a pulse as my veins had collapsed. The doctors tried to save my life by injecting anti-toxins and dextrose into my body, but seemingly to no avail. Within a few minutes I seemed to slip away (apparently life ceased from my body for a period of approx. 15 minutes).
During this time I found myself in a very dark place, not realizing where I was. So I tried to find a light switch, thinking I was still in the hospital - but as I reached out into the dark I couldn't touch anything. Reaching to touch my face I found my hand go straight through it. It seemed so bizarre, as I knew I was standing there but couldn't touch any part of my physical body.
As I stood there I began to sense that this wasn't just a physical darkness but that there was something else there. I could feel a cold eerie feeling as though something or someone was looking at me - a spiritual darkness. From the darkness I began to hear men's voices screaming at me telling me to "shut up" - "that I deserved to be there" - "that I was in Hell". I couldn't believe it, but as I stood there a radiant beam of light shone through the darkness and immediately began to lift me upward. I found myself being translated up into an incredibly brilliant beam of pure white light - it seemed to be emanating from a circular opening far above me (I felt like a speck of dust being drawn up into a beam of sunlight).

The Journey
I entered this opening to find myself inside a long narrow passageway or tunnel - at the far end of the tunnel I could see the source of the light - it was so radiant that it looked to be the centre of the universe. As I continued to look towards this light it seemed to draw me towards it at an incredible speed - I wasn't walking but was being translated along this tunnel towards the source of this light. I watched as a wave of light broke off the source and moved up the tunnel towards me - as it passed through me I could feel a wave of warmth and comfort flood my soul ... it was incredible. This light wasn't just physical, but was giving off a living emotion ... Halfway down another wave of light - this time it gave off pure peace - followed by another wave - of pure joy. Coming out of the end of this tunnel I found myself standing in the presence of awesome light and power - it seemed as though even the constellations in the universe must find their energy source from this focal point.

As I stood there I wondered to myself if this was just an energy source in the universe or if perhaps there could be someone standing in the midst of this light!!!!! A voice immediately responded to my thought and asked me "Ian, do you wish to return?" Return, I thought!!! Where am I??? As I looked over my shoulder I could see the tunnel going back into darkness.

The Light
I thought - darkness - hospital bed - am I out of my body? - is this real? - am I standing here? - or am I in a coma having some bizarre dream? Am I in my body or out of my body?? (I could cognitively think of the two alternatives.) As I looked back towards the light, it was still there ... I responded "I don't know where I am, but if I am out of my physical body I wish to return." The voice responded "If you wish to return - you must see in a new light." "New light", I thought, "I'm seeing the light." "Are you the true light???" Words appeared in front of me "God is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5)." I had never read a Bible before in my life so I didn't know this was straight out of the scriptures. God is light, I thought - that is pure light - I see no darkness here, I have just come from darkness - I see no evil, no shadows - this is pure light - am I standing in the presence of God??? He knows my name and I didn't tell Him, only God could do that - He knows what I am thinking before I even speak, only God could do that. Then he must be able to see everything I have done wrong in my life ... no ... I don't want God to see that. I felt totally exposed and wanted to move away from the light and go back into the darkness where I belonged. I thought someone had made a mistake and brought the wrong person up. As I drew back towards the darkness a wave of light swept through me ... I felt pure unadulterated Love flow over me. Love I thought, how could God love me - I've taken his name in vain - I've slept around - I'm not a good man ... but no matter what I said, waves of His unconditional Love continued to flow over me. I found myself weeping uncontrollably in His Presence. It was so amazing that He had totally forgiven me and accepted me as I was.

The waves of Love ceased and I wondered if I could possibly step into the light and see what God looked like. I was so close. ... I asked if I could step in. ..???.. I heard no response but thought if God could love me so much, He wouldn't mind .... As I stepped into the light I found myself disappear into it as it was so radiant - it had the intensity of laser light, yet you could look directly at it. The light seemed to absorb me into it - the centre seemed to be very bright so I aimed for it - I could feel a healing presence coming off this light that was healing my broken heart ... it was touching me deep inside my heart of hearts where no one gets to see ... so beautiful.

God
Suddenly it opened up in the centre and standing in front of me was the most awesome sight - I could see a man standing in front of me, but he was not like anyone I'd ever seen before in my life. His garments were shimmering white in color - garments of light - I could see His bare feet and His hands were outstretched towards me as if to welcome me. I knew I was looking upon God ... as I looked toward His face the intensity of the light seemed to increase 7-fold - you couldn't make out the form of his face as the light was so bright - such purity, such holiness, such beauty. I asked God if I could step closer. I felt I could, I wanted to see His face. Moving closer waves of more Love began to flow towards me, and I felt very safe. Standing, now feet away, from the Lord I tried to see His face - but I didn't know that no man can see the face of God and live. And so, as I moved my face into the radiance that surrounded His face, He moved - and all His Glory moved with Him. Directly behind Him it opened out into a brand new World - green pastures, a crystal clear stream, rolling green hills to my right, mountains in the distance, blue skies above, to my left fields interspersed with trees and flowers. As I looked at the grass in front of me I could see the same light that was on the presence of God was radiating throughout this entire creation - totally untouched by man - perfect creation. And in my heart I knew I belonged here, that God had created me to live here - I knew I was home.

Return?
I was just about to enter in and explore, when God stepped back in front of me, and asked me this question. "Now that you have seen - do you wish to step in or do you wish to return?" I thought, "I don't want to return. I wish to step in. I have no one to go back for and no one has ever loved me, all they've ever done is manipulate me and try to control me ... I have no one to go back for, I wish to step in." But God didn't move, so I looked back behind me to say "goodbye, cruel world", and standing behind me in a vision in front of the tunnel was my mother. And as soon as I saw her I knew that there was one person in my life that had shown me love, and that was my mother, and that she had prayed for me every day and tried to show me that this was the way. In my mind I thought, "if I am dead and I did choose to step into heaven, what would my mother think? Would she know I made it or would she think I went to Hell - because she knew I had no Faith? ... I realized that it could break her heart and that she would have no reason to believe that God had heard my prayer in the ambulance and forgiven my sins. ... I thought, "how can I do that to my mum, it would be so selfish" ... and decided I wished to return.
God then spoke to me and said, "If I wished to return - I must see things in a new light." I understood that to mean that I must begin to see through his eyes of Love, Peace, Joy, Forgiveness, from His Heavenly perspective, not my temporary earthly perspective. Looking back towards the tunnel again I now could see a vision of all my family, and thousands and thousands of other people. I asked God who all these people were, and He told me that if I didn't return then many of these people would not get a chance to hear about Him....

I told God that I didn't know most of them and I didn't love them, but that I loved my mother and wished to return for her. God spoke to me and told me that He loved those people and wanted them all to come to know Him. I asked God how could I possibly return back down the tunnel and back into my hospital bed. He spoke and said "Son, tilt your head, now feel the liquid drain from your eye. Now open your eye and see." And I was immediately back in my physical body.

Back to earth
... As for me, I was trying to grapple with what I had just seen. ... Did I just see God, has He just given my life back??? As I lay there I heard the voice of God say "Son, I have just given you your life back." I said if that is true God, could you help me to tilt my head to the left and look out of the other eye, as I was getting sick of looking at the doctor's terrified face. Strength came back into my neck and I opened my left eye to see a whole bunch of nurses and orderlies standing in the doorway looking at me as if the dead had just risen ... As my eye locked onto theirs they began to jump backwards out of the doorway. From what I can ascertain I had been dead for a period of some 15 minutes. I prayed to God that night and asked him to heal me and enable me to walk out of the hospital. That night God completely healed me and enabled me to walk out of the hospital the next day.

I asked God what I had become, as I found my entire life was changing for good. God told me I was a Re-Born Christian and that he wanted me to read His Bible. I had never read a Bible and had never heard about being Born-Again. Over the next 6 weeks I read the entire Bible. I have never been the same, and believe that I saw our Lord Jesus Christ in His Glorified form (Rev. 1 : 13 -18)
http://bibleprobe.com/iansNDE.htm

[jabcat]

Account #2

July 1980, Tucson Arizona: I contracted Cholera by drinking contaminated water someone had left in a thermos while I was working at a local construction site. The progression on this disease left me in a severe dehydrated state which became terminal.

I was at home and lying in bed when it happened. My breathing was becoming a series of protracted wheezing gasps. Looking around the room, I was amazed that I could see so pristine clear without my glasses. The alarm clock ticked. It was ten minutes till noon. Everything became surreal. 

With a sudden swoosh, I floated above my body. Hovering there, I fully realized I had died. At that time, I was not a Christian and fell into a naturalistic agnostic atheistic belief system. Despite growing up in a loving Southern Baptist family, I did not believe in the Christian concept of God. I knew very little about Jesus, the afterlife, and God. All this was about to radically change.

I floated above my body and felt no more pain from the effects of cholera. While gazing at the room, I turned and faced the ceiling. Suddenly, I felt myself drift through the ceiling's textured drywall and was engulfed in an extremely peaceful blackness. In this pleasant darkness I heard the most astounding humming/singing sounds. I was floating in this pitch blackness listing to the resonances while slowly moving toward a speck of light that was slowly growing bigger and bigger as I neared.

Soon this dazzling brilliant light began dispelling this pleasant darkness in hues of colors never before seen. The light was being emitted by an individual standing upon what appeared to me to be a huge rock suspended in space. This person wore beautiful whitish robe like garments and seemed to be sitting on a chair carved out from the rock. I landed below this person. He stood up and walked down several steps to where I had landed. I wept and fell like a heavy sack of wheat. Someone touched my shoulder. I stood up.

This marvelous person showed me my life course, which revealed I was without excuse. It was then I knew I was being judged and deserved my fate. You could do nothing but stand directly before him, whose robe's drooping hood concealed his face, and receive your sentence. 

As I looked at him, I noticed that he bore terrible trauma to his hands and feet. Around the wrist were gnashes deeply cut therein. The bones clearly showing that the very joints had been ripped apart by bearing a great weight. He just stood there. I felt ashamed.

He began to speak to me by the agency of thought and told me I was to see another land for an appointed time. After arriving there, I was to speak his name and title and see what I would see. He went on and revealed that it was prearranged once for a person to die but returning is an option decided by his Father's will. Children were raised; others were raised, for God's glory and purposes when it was not their hour. He stated that I would return the way I had come, and then he pointed towards an entrance of a tunnel off to his left.

Seeing it, I was lifted by some gentle force and floated toward it, feet first. When this occurred, I noticed I was wearing robe like garments. I entered the tunnel and was engulfed within a violently spinning vortex heading toward a yellowish dint of light. Reaching it, I found myself falling from its sky and landed with a thud upon the ground.

I stood up and looked around. I saw a house on a hill, smelled horrible odors, and heard strange sounds. People came from the house and neared me with joyous shouts of welcome. Where was I? Heaven? Hell? At first, I thought I was in a paradise but the sounds and smells were all wrong.

Something was not right about these people either. For some reason they began appearing translucent. With this, I began to see them for what they really were – strange foul creatures emitting the illusions of people. Upon seeing this, two words erupted from my mouth like the staccato of a machine gun: Jesus Christ. I said these two words non-stop till I left this place. I was in a state of stark terror as the reality of where I was hit home.

One creature began to speak to me in a heavy unknown accent and told me to follow it. What choice did I have? It walked to the horizon's skyline, which appeared painted on a wall, reached out, and parted the yellowish sky. It walked through the torn hole it had made, bidding me to follow.

(The Following five paragraphs are a direct quote from my book: A Land Unknown: Hell's Dominion, Chapter Seven, used with my permission)

"I followed the rank creature and immediately emerged on the other side of the horizon. A wide, dirty, flat, barren expanse of land gently sloped downward, betraying an endless circular spiral of misery. On the left side of the coiled grade were rows and rows of cubes with more cubes columned high, forming a wall of ten-by-ten foot partitions mirroring the events displayed inside.

Each cube was stacked six high, marring each ascending and descending spiraling level's wall like a dirty mirror. The wide expanse was a road. Strange entities were traveling on it. This wide dusty road ended at a circular void, highlighting the center of this hellish domain.

The cubes appeared encompassed by thin smoke-tinted, gelatin-like walls. Each cube appeared to be about ten feet by ten feet square. You could see into these but not out of them. Within every chamber resided an individual person, trapped, unable to escape as I had.

Looking through the torn wall of the cube I had just stepped out of, the house and tree within were hauntingly calling my name to return. Perplexed, I stepped back for another glance at this cubicle. I was surprised that it was so small. Inside it had seemed so large!

Turning, I saw the lizard-like entity a few feet from me, reaching its ugly, greenish-yellow arms as if to drag me away to a desperate fate. Boxer style, I blocked the attempt. This fiend stepped back, grinning ear to ear." End Quote.

What I saw is best described in the Holy Bible within the pages of Ezekiel 32:17-32. This chapter describes hell as a circular burial pit where the dead are buried within the walls of a pit in accordance to his or her deeds. Each individual is placed in a chamber described symbolically as a bed chamber (Ezekiel 32:24-25) where the resident restlessly rest experiencing recompense for his or her deeds (Note context of Ezekiel 32:30) performed on earth.

Inside each cube, I spied individual people in various stages of boredom, anguishes, and hideous various torments. Ghoulish entities were inside these cubes giving the illusions of people, places, and things to each trapped soul enacting the scenes from each person's life. I also traveled between these cubes to more cubes that lay behind as the journey continued.

The creature before me began speaking to me again with such foul language and curses that I cannot record what it really said for you. I began understanding its speech and could sort out the general theme it was speaking from its cursing. It then began showing me around this domain.

Out from the cubicle wall's was a large dusty plain or road. Both ugly and beautiful beings roamed in lose packs on this plain. During the duration of my stay, many of these entities attempted to engage me in conversation. I was too terrified to respond but only spoke out the words, "Jesus Christ" non-stop.

I was taken on a hellish tour of this place by the ghastly creature in front of me. We descended to the lower levels of the spiral road as well as observed what was happening inside the cubes to each lost soul we passed. This hellish journey seemed to last forever. I wanted to wake up so bad, but could not (For more details please see my book: A Land Unknown: Hell's Dominion, published by Xulonpress).

Each trapped soul reaped in full measure whatever they had sown during their lives. Many entered this pit and into the cubes by means of spinning vortexes. I also noticed another entrance. All those people trapped resided totally alone and were not aware of each other. The only thing each was aware of, were the creatures residing with them and the scenes enacted within their own personal square nightmarish abode.

I would say that each person trapped there felt a peculiar separation from God in the form of feeling banished forever from the loving nature of God and true life. Each knew fully that they deserved his or her fate because each chose to walk away from God and now resided in place without God as they desired during his or hers life lived on earth. God, in his great justice, fairness, and unfathomable love gave them what they desired: a place without God and where each was receiving the fruits of his or her own doings.

When many of these individuals entered their private abodes, they were first deceived into thinking they had arrived in a paradise. As eternity passes – the real nature of this place was fully revealed to them. Others entered into instant anguish. It is truly a place of doom, despair, and unending nightmares.

I felt greatest fear when the beastly guide tried to entrap me inside a unique cubicle. It is here, I was rescued while screaming out the words, Jesus Christ. I felt someone coming for me and arrive behind me and then lift me up.

(Quote from Book) "One arm was under my shoulders and the other under the bend of my knees. Oh! A sensation of love, mercy, authority, power, justice, and righteousness overwhelmed me. I no longer had any need to speak the two words that I previously spoke without ceasing. I turned my head into the cleft of the being's shoulder and wept profusely against the white garb.

The Person who held me fast said not a word. I glanced at the hand gripping my shoulder. There was an ugly gash near the wrist close to the hand as though a great pulling weight had made this mark and separated the bones above the wrist. A hole went straight through, then the tear. You could easily have placed a finger through the gash, with your fingertip protruding to the other side, but to do so would have been very disrespectful and inappropriate at a time like this." (End Quote)

I wept as the redeemer carried me back to the cube I arrived in and then through the vortex back to the rock. He set my feet upon that Huge Rock where I was granted a glimpse of Heaven and was told that none can enter Heaven unless they come through the gate which was the robe clad personage standing before me.

Many things were revealed to me there, on that rock, to numerous to record. I was told it was time to leave and return. I floated back the way I had come. I was soon in my room above my body looking at the scene below. I glided back into my body and awoke with a start. I could not regain my breath until someone began hitting me on my back. I was rushed to a Hospital for further treatment and recovery.

The duration of my NDE, was about four hours. I remember seeing a clock when I first left my body stating the time was 11:50 AM and when I returned, it was close to 4 PM. I still suffer several health effects from this. My heart makes a nice clicking sound. My short term memory suffered as well. Afterwards, my speech was slurred a bit but has returned to normal with the passage of time.

My experience has left me a deep appreciation for the work of Jesus Christ and His salvation. I became a born again Christian because of it. I have renewed understanding of God's profound love, justice, righteousness, grace, and mercy. Jesus came to save that which is lost. You see, heaven is real and hell is real. Eternity is without end. Do you really want to spend eternity without God? Or with God? That choice is yours alone – the decision is yours? What will it be? What will it be?

http://bibleprobe.com/hells-dominion.htm

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: My  :2c:  I never noticed it was in Eze. about these cubicles.  :mshock:

I have seen them; saw the round pit like it was in the earth, saw people in the "cells". They were sealed in and the cells reminded me of the cells of a wasp's nest. The first veil of the tabernacle deals with being the laying down of OUR flesh, and it is this veil the membranes or seals represent.

But I think it's where we as souls begin spiritually speaking until we turn to the Lord, and/or where we end if we don't (we were there all along but could not perceive it while in the body), UNTIL the time appointed of the Lord, not eternally.

The "cells" in the earth, are as a "womb", or like a caterpillar cocoon, which we rise up out of it as a butterfly, changed/metamorphoo-ed from a worm, ie. "Jacob, you worm."

The "creatures" they are encased with, they created out of the imaginations of their own hearts/souls, ie. with YOUR OWN wickedness will He reprove you. The heart of man is only wickedness continually, and that is what it "births". Blessings....

[micah7:9]

Very interesting about Ezk. verses. Where do you find this sites? Not that I want to go there. And do you think that possibly that the near death experiences about those cubes came to this person AFTER this EZK verses were preached or found or does it say that the experience was first and then found in Ezk? And I always keep it in my memory that "hell" "death" "grave" have been described for so long as to how those words have been seen, through, books, movies, and lore, and of course religion pagan and otherwise.The human mind in a is word...AMAZING in and of its self. My God is also AMAZING. Ive read "23 minutes in Hell" please I just hope no one on this forum finds it credible.

[Molly]

Do you think they may have really seen a place of "torment"/correction, yet their interpretation of it was that it "eternal" -

I think 'eternal' can be in the mind of the beholder.  Have you ever experienced something that seemed to go on 'forever'?  Does it really matter that excruciating pain only lasts for a few hours, days, weeks, or months?  I tried to tell myself it didn't matter when I went into labor--just a few days at most.  I was wrong. :happygrin:

As I lay there dying, I saw my mother in a vision praying for me, encouraging me to cry out to God from my heart and He would hear me and forgive me (my mother was the only Christian in our family.)

Mothers are important.  Prayer is important.

During this time I found myself in a very dark place, not realizing where I was. So I tried to find a light switch, thinking I was still in the hospital - but as I reached out into the dark I couldn't touch anything

This is the outer darkness that Rev 21 talks about.

With a sudden swoosh, I floated above my body. Hovering there, I fully realized I had died.

I floated above my body and felt no more pain from the effects of cholera.

Suddenly, I felt myself drift through the ceiling's textured drywall and was engulfed in an extremely peaceful blackness.

I have heard this whoosh on leaving my body.  There is no pain anymore; I agree with that.  You can stay close to the body or move a great distance away.  The darkness can be very pleasant and peaceful;  I agree with that.

I felt greatest fear when the beastly guide tried to entrap me inside a unique cubicle. It is here, I was rescued while screaming out the words, Jesus Christ. I felt someone coming for me and arrive behind me and then lift me up.

I have given up trying to influence the atheists around me, but I have told some of them this truth--if you are ever in trouble, call out his name.

Directly behind Him it opened out into a brand new World - green pastures, a crystal clear stream, rolling green hills to my right, mountains in the distance, blue skies above, to my left fields interspersed with trees and flowers. As I looked at the grass in front of me I could see the same light that was on the presence of God was radiating throughout this entire creation - totally untouched by man - perfect creation.

I have an old friend, who died briefly and was revived by emt's, who is a Christian but not a believer.  She described being in a beautiful field full of flowers with the most striking colors, like a Monet painting on steroids.  Everything was very clear, bright, and beautiful.

[bushy]

"God, in his great justice, fairness, and unfathomable love gave them what they desired: a place without God and where each was receiving the fruits of his or her own doings."

Disgusting.  :sigh:

[Molly]

"God, in his great justice, fairness, and unfathomable love gave them what they desired: a place without God and where each was receiving the fruits of his or her own doings."

Disgusting.  :sigh:

"A place without God"

I've been in that place.  You haven't?  It's pretty horrible.

[bushy]

OK, I goofed in saying that. I meant that at least it wasn't forever with no escape which is what the guy meant in his account.

[micah7:9]

"God, in his great justice, fairness, and unfathomable love gave them what they desired: a place without God and where each was receiving the fruits of his or her own doings."

Disgusting.  :sigh:

"A place without God"

I've been in that place.  You haven't?  It's pretty horrible.

I dont believe that to be true  "I've been in that place."


Psa 139:1  To the Overseer. --A Psalm by David. Jehovah, Thou hast searched me, and knowest.
Psa 139:2  Thou--Thou hast known my sitting down, And my rising up, Thou hast attended to my thoughts from afar.
Psa 139:3  My path and my couch Thou hast fanned, And with all my ways hast been acquainted.
Psa 139:4  For there is not a word in my tongue, Lo, O Jehovah, Thou hast known it all!
Psa 139:5  Behind and before Thou hast besieged me, And Thou dost place on me Thy hand.
Psa 139:6  Knowledge too wonderful for me, It hath been set on high, I am not able for it.

Psa 139:7  Whither do I go from Thy Spirit? And whither from Thy face do I flee?
Psa 139:8  If I ascend the heavens--there Thou art , And spread out a couch in Sheol, lo, Thee!
Psa 139:9  I take the wings of morning, I dwell in the uttermost part of the sea,
Psa 139:10  Also there Thy hand doth lead me, And Thy right hand doth hold me.
Psa 139:11  And I say, `Surely darkness bruiseth me, Then night is light to me.
Psa 139:12  Also darkness hideth not from Thee, And night as day shineth, as is darkness so is light.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I forgot to add, that I saw this scene years before He told me to watch a movie called "Fire in the Sky". It's a true story about some lumberjacks in the NE, who saw a UFO, and one of them got abducted by it and was gone for 5 days, then dropped naked 30 miles from where he was, in a state of shock and trauma.

Now I know that the "aliens" are demons "impersonating" aliens, but these people didn't, and the interesting thing is, in the movie there was a round "room" with cells with people in them, that had a membrane covering them, which is where he awakes from within. It looked just like the round pit in the earth I was shown, yet the young man they grabbed, thought he was in a "ship". My  :2c:

[Molly]

I dont believe that to be true  "I've been in that place."

It's true.  Trust me. lol


@Cardinal. wow.  I remember that scene from that movie.

It really makes you wonder who's making these movies, doesn't it?

[micah7:9]

I dont believe that to be true  "I've been in that place."

It's true.  Trust me. lol


@Cardinal. wow.  I remember that scene from that movie.

It really makes you wonder who's making these movies, doesn't it?

I will stick with trusting God's word, than yours, but thank you. :laughing7:

[thinktank]

I've been there too. It wasn't such a bad place. Didn't see much of the kingdom but Might even be better than this world.

I hope as saints we get to have a grand tour of the kingdom of hell and maybe go on holiday there.

[micah7:9]

 :sigh:

[thinktank]

why the sigh?

[Molly]

I dont believe that to be true  "I've been in that place."

It's true.  Trust me. lol


@Cardinal. wow.  I remember that scene from that movie.

It really makes you wonder who's making these movies, doesn't it?

I will stick with trusting God's word, than yours, but thank you. :laughing7:

Cain was sent away from the presence of the LORD.  So it is possible.


13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

--Gen 4

[WhiteWings]

During this time I found myself in a very dark place, not realizing where I was. So I tried to find a light switch, thinking I was still in the hospital - but as I reached out into the dark I couldn't touch anything

This is the outer darkness that Rev 21 talks about.

And/or the wedding feast.

I felt greatest fear when the beastly guide tried to entrap me inside a unique cubicle. It is here, I was rescued while screaming out the words, Jesus Christ. I felt someone coming for me and arrive behind me and then lift me up.

I have given up trying to influence the atheists around me, but I have told some of them this truth--if you are ever in trouble, call out his name.

His is satan? I just ask because you wrote 'his' instead of "His"  :icon_jokercolor:

I have an old friend, who died briefly and was revived by emt's, who is a Christian but not a believer.

Hu? Isn't that like a little pregnant?

[jabcat]

Something I didn't understand;  if the one fellow, an unbeliever (even atheist?, I don't recall) was able to "stay out of 'hell' " by repeating the name of Jesus, what about all the others who were dwelling/staying there?  Wouldn't you think they would do the same thing?  Maybe they were stubborn, or maybe it was working for him because it was only a "tour" so he could come back and tell?  Who knows.... just found that curious.

[jabcat]

Also, a couple other things I noticed;

the immediate review and judgment

no emphasis on (or at none at all) literal fire - more of that "outer darkness"/facing the consequences type of situation

I've read NDE before, where as soon as someone called on Jesus, they were delivered. 

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I think it's each man in his own season, even in that Jab.....Jesus said you can do NOTHING without Me, and I think unless the Spirit permits it, it can't even come out of your mouth.

I've had experiences He took me thru to teach me something and I desperately wanted to call out to Him to end the experience, but found I COULDN'T for a season, until He was done showing me what He wanted me to see.

I suspect these people experience the same thing, for no man can say that He is Lord except by the power of the Holy Ghost. Which for my  :2c:, is another reason why He is ________ (fill in the blank)  :winkgrin:
:laughing7:

It's all about the heart, and the heart must repent, whether in this life or the next...... :2c:

[micah7:9]

I dont believe that to be true  "I've been in that place."

It's true.  Trust me. lol


@Cardinal. wow.  I remember that scene from that movie.

It really makes you wonder who's making these movies, doesn't it?

I will stick with trusting God's word, than yours, but thank you. :laughing7:

Cain was sent away from the presence of the LORD.  So it is possible.


13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

--Gen 4

Well there you go, I have to take Psalm 139 out of my Bible. Gee my Bible is getting smaller :sigh: There is your reason TT :sigh:

[micah7:9]

During this time I found myself in a very dark place, not realizing where I was. So I tried to find a light switch, thinking I was still in the hospital - but as I reached out into the dark I couldn't touch anything

This is the outer darkness that Rev 21 talks about.

And/or the wedding feast.

I felt greatest fear when the beastly guide tried to entrap me inside a unique cubicle. It is here, I was rescued while screaming out the words, Jesus Christ. I felt someone coming for me and arrive behind me and then lift me up.

I have given up trying to influence the atheists around me, but I have told some of them this truth--if you are ever in trouble, call out his name.

His is satan? I just ask because you wrote 'his' instead of "His"  :icon_jokercolor:

I have an old friend, who died briefly and was revived by emt's, who is a Christian but not a believer.

Hu? Isn't that like a little pregnant?

"Isn't that like a little pregnant?"  I like that! :laughing7:

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: I think it's each man in his own season, even in that Jab.....Jesus said you can do NOTHING without Me, and I think unless the Spirit permits it, it can't even come out of your mouth.

I've had experiences He took me thru to teach me something and I desperately wanted to call out to Him to end the experience, but found I COULDN'T for a season, until He was done showing me what He wanted me to see.

I suspect these people experience the same thing, for no man can say that He is Lord except by the power of the Holy Ghost. Which for my  :2c:, is another reason why He is ________ (fill in the blank)  :winkgrin:
:laughing7:

It's all about the heart, and the heart must repent, whether in this life or the next...... :2c:

Im just curious I thought it was all about the soul? Overlook me if Im incorrect.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The soul IS the stony heart of man.....

[micah7:9]

This "soul" that is spoke of on this forum by some, seems to have the attributes of a chameleon, it can change its looks/meaning when ever it needs. I have been told by the Lord in Genesis 2:7 that man/adam is a living soul, which tells me man/adam/male/female is a living soul, he was not given a soul nor does he have a soul....man IS a soul. I know the Greek has influence in the souls meaning, but by doing so the Greek has also confused the understanding of how it(soul) is taught.
Again it is not my intention to cause discord or agitate, some may think so, but it is not so. I am open for reproof, rebuke... I seek learning to the path of wisdom.