Slain from the foundation of the world

[micah7:9]

Molly, "If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?"

If he could not sin, then how does he condemn sin in the flesh?"

The point is He came in the "likeness" and how does He condemn, He came in the likeness of sinful man and He did not sin, that condemned sin the the flesh.
Beloved Servant "Amen.

He is — God with us.
I am kinda up in the air about this, my understanding that is. :HeartThrob:

[Beloved Servant]

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

[thinktank]

So why come as a baby?

why not come as an adult?

[rosered]

So why come as a baby?

why not come as an adult?

Hi  all  must come the  same way      Jesus Christ  being the  sign , born again of God , Jesus being the first  begotten and the first born of the dead


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you  :HeartThrob:

[thinktank]

So why come as a baby?

why not come as an adult?

Hi  all  must come the  same way      Jesus Christ  being the  sign , born again of God , Jesus being the first  begotten and the first born of the dead


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you  :HeartThrob:

I'm not sure what you mean.

If human blood was not required, then why come as a human baby. Jesus could have come from heaven as an adult

[WhiteWings]

Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Tempted does not mean fallibility.

It does.

He did not resist sin;

He did.

He met it head-on with the Word of God.

True.

Tempted does not mean fallibility. Period.
tempt
verb \ˈtem(p)t\
Definition of TEMPT
transitive verb
1: to entice to do wrong by promise of pleasure or gain

en·tice/enˈtīs/
Verb: Attract offering pleasure or advantage.

He never took the bait. Period.

Tempted does not mean fallibility. Period.

Read reply #159
Answer that.
Until then; He was tempted a lot!
Period

[rosered]

So why come as a baby?

why not come as an adult?

Hi  all  must come the  same way      Jesus Christ  being the  sign , born again of God , Jesus being the first  begotten and the first born of the dead


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you  :HeartThrob:

I'm not sure what you mean.

If human blood was not required, then why come as a human baby. Jesus could have come from heaven as an adult

I am sorry  about that  :mblush:,   hope to clarify .. its the Spirit  of God coming in  flesh ,
  Jesus being the first begotten Son , this was the new thing God prophecied about in the OLD testament all the time   :HeartThrob:
     the old  testament  /witness   speaks of the Son and the new testament / witness  Speaks of the Father

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[WhiteWings]

I think it would be clearer to say that Jesus didn't sin but he could have sinned.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin
--Heb 4:15

No, He could not have sinned.

He could.

He came to do the Fathers Will.

Yes. But that fact doesn't exclude He could not sin.

He and the Father are One.

An unproven assumption we are not allowed to discuss.

Temptation comes from the senses

Jesus had senses. He was a man of flesh and blood.

Sin never entered His mind.

True.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Christ said that sin is not defined by just a physical act; if we even allow such a thought to our mind we have sinned.

So Jesus didn't overcome sin at all.

[rosered]

Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Tempted does not mean fallibility.

It does.

He did not resist sin;

He did.

He met it head-on with the Word of God.

True.

Tempted does not mean fallibility. Period.
tempt
verb \ˈtem(p)t\
Definition of TEMPT
transitive verb
1: to entice to do wrong by promise of pleasure or gain

en·tice/enˈtīs/
Verb: Attract offering pleasure or advantage.

He never took the bait. Period.

Tempted does not mean fallibility. Period.

Read reply #159
Answer that.
Until then; He was tempted a lot!
Period

Just maybe his flesh was weak and tempted , but the Spirit of God was stronger in Him  to resist temptation , it cannot be tempted  , thats our way of eacape also  :HeartThrob:  as we learn  this from Jesus  Himself

  :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

[rosered]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

:thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation


Jhn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].  NLT  John   3

  33 Anyone who accepts his testimony can affirm that God is true.



34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God gives him the Spirit without limit.


35 The Father loves his Son and has put everything into his hands. 36 And anyone who believes in God's Son has eternal life. :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

Just maybe his flesh was weak and tempted ,

Yes it was tempted in all things.

^YLTHebrews 4
15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our infirmities, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;

but the Spirit of God was stronger in Him  to resist temptation ,

True.

it cannot be tempted  , thats our way of eacape also  :HeartThrob:  as we learn  this from Jesus  Himself

Being tempted means you are given a choice. Then you can decide if you take that choice yes or no. People often make the wrong choice. Jesus always made the right choice.
And that makes a huge difference.

[WhiteWings]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

:thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation

I think you mean  :thumbdown: RoseY  :winkgrin:
It's always said the flesh is sinful but obviously that's not entirely correct. It's your mind that makes the choices not your flesh. And your mind is (part of) your personality.
That's much more than skindeep for me.

[Beloved Servant]

It's the 5 senses that present those choices. There is the genesis of sin.

[rosered]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

:thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation

I think you mean  :thumbdown: RoseY  :winkgrin:
It's always said the flesh is sinful but obviously that's not entirely correct. It's your mind that makes the choices not your flesh. And your mind is (part of) your personality.
That's much more than skindeep for me.

you dont think sin dwells in the flesh / aka carnal mind than ?    im confused with your post WW  :icon_flower:

[thinktank]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

:thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation

I think you mean  :thumbdown: RoseY  :winkgrin:
It's always said the flesh is sinful but obviously that's not entirely correct. It's your mind that makes the choices not your flesh. And your mind is (part of) your personality.
That's much more than skindeep for me.

Right. Walking around in the flesh is not sinful, but the flesh is tempted to lust etc



James
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.



So man is tempted, he gets hooked in, and THen lust is conceived, because he was drawn into Sin, either by choice or weakness.

But Jesus not only chose the Fathers will always or to put it another way, chose the way of righteousness But He also resisted temptation, with symptoms such as sweating blood in the garden.

When a Christian is tempted to do evil, they according to  scripture must take every thought captive with the word of God, just like Jesus did.
:2c:

[rosered]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?

Then the likeness was only skindeep.

:thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation

I think you mean  :thumbdown: RoseY  :winkgrin:
It's always said the flesh is sinful but obviously that's not entirely correct. It's your mind that makes the choices not your flesh. And your mind is (part of) your personality.
That's much more than skindeep for me.

Right. Walking around in the flesh is not sinful, but the flesh is tempted to lust etc



James
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.



So man is tempted, he gets hooked in, and THen lust is conceived, because he was drawn into Sin, either by choice or weakness.

But Jesus not only chose the Fathers will always or to put it another way, chose the way of righteousness But He also resisted temptation, with symptoms such as sweating blood in the garden.

When a Christian is tempted to do evil, they according to  scripture must take every thought captive with the word of God, just like Jesus did.
:2c:

wow you two just brought it home to roost for me !!    awesome !!    could not agree   more with this ! 
   It also makes this scripture that has perplexed me for years  '' ring true ''  now!!   makes   perfect sense        :thumbsup: :icon_flower: :HeartThrob:  we do have to follow Jesus in every example  , that same strait  and narrow gate/  way  ..also the sweating of blood,,,the  shedding  of our carnal minds putting  it to death .


For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hbr 12:4   Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.   :HeartThrob:  your a blessing  :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: You know I never thought about that before, but the blood came out of His face, presumably, and face means nature, Adam was ruddy or red in the face. At the point of totally surrendering to the cross, the Adamic likeness was no more? Hmmm.....

[rosered]

:cloud9: You know I never thought about that before, but the blood came out of His face, presumably, and face means nature, Adam was ruddy or red in the face. At the point of totally surrendering to the cross, the Adamic likeness was no more? Hmmm.....

:icon_flower:    :HeartThrob:  2Cr 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward [man] is renewed day by day.

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory;

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.

  we see  Jesus and follow after   Him  , the same way ,,,''our perfect example''  First / preeminence   ,  God showing us through Christ  :HeartThrob:
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
   

[Molly]

So are we in agreement that he could have sinned but he did not?

Or not?

[Beloved Servant]

Not!

The Father did not write the Old Testament "just in case" Jesus agreed to it.

[thinktank]

If he could not sin, then what is the point to come in the likeness of sinful man?[/quote]Then the likeness was only skindeep.
[/quote]   :thumbsup:  in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH  , but   Gods Spirit was in full operation[/quote]I think you mean  :thumbdown: RoseY  :winkgrin:
It's always said the flesh is sinful but obviously that's not entirely correct. It's your mind that makes the choices not your flesh. And your mind is (part of) your personality.
That's much more than skindeep for me.
[/quote]

Right. Walking around in the flesh is not sinful, but the flesh is tempted to lust etc



James
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.



So man is tempted, he gets hooked in, and THen lust is conceived, because he was drawn into Sin, either by choice or weakness.

But Jesus not only chose the Fathers will always or to put it another way, chose the way of righteousness But He also resisted temptation, with symptoms such as sweating blood in the garden.

When a Christian is tempted to do evil, they according to  scripture must take every thought captive with the word of God, just like Jesus did.
:2c:

wow you two just brought it home to roost for me !!    awesome !!    could not agree   more with this ! 
   It also makes this scripture that has perplexed me for years  " ring true "  now!!   makes   perfect sense        :thumbsup: :icon_flower: :HeartThrob:  we do have to follow Jesus in every example  , that same strait  and narrow gate/  way  ..also the sweating of blood,,,the  shedding  of our carnal minds putting  it to death .


For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hbr 12:4   Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.   :HeartThrob:  your a blessing  :thumbsup:
[/quote] [/quote]

Fantastic I'm so glad you have been blessed :HeartThrob:

[Beloved Servant]

It was no mere coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: @ Molly.....I believe He could have, else what would be the point of Him being tempted in all ways as us? I think the deification of the flesh of Him (pre-resurrection) is a left-over from the RCC's influence.

If you make the flesh of Him (pre-resurrection) holy, then it puts Him in an unapproachable position whereby normal men cannot ever hope to attain to anything beyond the realm of the flesh (in life), and keeps them in a sinner mentality instead of a joint heir, son of God, mentality. Which is obviously very useful to the coffers of men, because it keeps them from ever coming into the authority of maturity in Christ, and therefore more easily managed.

The other thief doctrine is one where we must die to attain our inheritance, ie. there's no hope in this life, but when we die......

Both, IMO, miss the mark and keep men from pressing in. Basically, it's the 2 thieves on the cross. One glorifies the past, the other glorifies the future; both keep our eyes off what He is doing IN US, NOW. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Molly]

Not!

The Father did not write the Old Testament "just in case" Jesus agreed to it.

Ok I know how you feel, how about everyone else?

Did Jesus have the potential to sin or not?