Slain from the foundation of the world

[pneuma]

Tempted? The scripture is plain on that!

"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
He does not add to it! 

There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. He came to do the Fathers will. The Father is first pleased with Him before any temptations of Christ — HE IS THE ANOINTED ONE.

well I would think Jesus was tempted from His youth just as we are, you seem to think His temptations only came when He was 30 years of age.

Talk to some young people they will tell you differently.

Being anointed does not mean one cannot sin, David was anointed of God and look what he did.

Jesus overcame all temptation and NEVER sinned because He always did the WILL of the FATHER.

[Molly]

The Cross is eternal.

not disputing, but is there a scripture for that?

"Forasmuch as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, but was manifest in these last times for you" (I Pet. 1:18-20).

Ok.  That's a good scripture that says it was foreknown that we would be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ before the foundation of the world.

That word for 'before' is 'pro'. It means 'prior to'. It's a different word from the one used in this verse which is apo--the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The fact that it was foreordained, that is foreknown, does not mean that it was still not Christ's choice.  It was his choice.  His prayer was answered. He was given the opportunity to walk away. It was foreknown that he would not waiver in his purpose.

But would that impact His decision? Does the fact that the knows the outcome, influence His decision to come into the world. Does He really look at future events before they unfold?

For one even though God knows the end from the beginning, doesn't that mean that he had to have gone through it so to speak?

How can he know the future if he had yet performed it?

Maybe when God knows all things it simply means that he has already accomplished all things, so he has full video footage of the entire universal events, and we are currently living in that fixed time frame.

So he would have to have gone to the cross, at some point, not knowing what would happen. So the question is whether he relied on pure Faith in the FAther that He would deliver His beloved Son not knowing the outcome, or that His faith was based on the foreknowledge that whatever happens, all is well, because he already knows the outcome that he would overcome. Or perhaps it is based on both types of faith.

We know the outcome.  How well does that work for us?  Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.  When he was in the likeness of human flesh, it had to be similar for him, or he wouldn't be tempted in all things as we are.

So when we see him making all decisions based on faith, we also know that is possible for us as well.  We can do that too, with the faith of Jesus Christ.

[Beloved Servant]

Jesus never could sin. Period.

It was no coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

[pneuma]

Ok.  That's a good scripture that says it was foreknown that we would be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ before the foundation of the world.

foreordained before which world? this one or the one to come?

[pneuma]

Jesus never could sin. Period.

It was no coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

Well if He could never sin then all His temptations were just a sham.

[rosered]

Jesus never could sin. Period.

It was no coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

Exactly ! amen  Beloved servant  ! agree  :icon_flower:

  born from above concieved though the Holy Spirit as we are also born again though Him  :HeartThrob:


1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  its all about LOVE ...  GOD IS LOVE
Love overcomes  the world  :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

Jesus never could sin. Period.

It was no coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

He DID NOT sin.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.

--Heb 4:15

[pneuma]

Jesus never could sin. Period.

It was no coincidence that Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures.

He DID NOT sin.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.

--Heb 4:15

Yes Molly, that He was tempted as we are in all point and it is pointed out that in these temptation He never sinned shows that He could have sucummed to the temptations but did NOT. By following the Fathers will instead of His own He over came. Just as if we follow the will of Christ we to will overcome.

[rosered]

 
  the simplicity in Christ is  pure , HOLY , untouched by any thing of this world its the HOLY TRUTH , Gods Word /seed planted inin our hearts    to Live and grow in Truth and grace of Gods will 
its so well hidden and the world cannot even see it ...
  2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[Beloved Servant]

Tempted does not imply fallibility.

[Molly]

Ok.  That's a good scripture that says it was foreknown that we would be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ before the foundation of the world.

foreordained before which world? this one or the one to come?

I would have to think this one because the next age will be based on restoration, not a casting down.  But if you have other information, I'll listen.

[Beloved Servant]

Ok.  That's a good scripture that says it was foreknown that we would be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ before the foundation of the world.

foreordained before which world? this one or the one to come?

Kosmos: an apt and harmonious arrangement

[Molly]

Tempted does not imply fallibility.

well, you know, I think of it as an owner's manual.  I have this car[body] I want to drive, and I have to figure out how to drive it without running it into a tree.

So I read the manual, and the information I get is that I can drive it successfully with the faith of Jesus Christ.  [There's other information in there, too.]

[Beloved Servant]

Let Him drive.

[Molly]

Let Him drive.

That's what I said.

[thinktank]

Tempted does not imply fallibility.

What about this scripture

Hebrews 5

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

[Beloved Servant]

God speed, Tank.

[Molly]

Tempted does not imply fallibility.

What about this scripture

Hebrews 5

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Exactly.  We are made perfect by uniting with him.

How was he made perfect? by uniting with the Father.  This is what makes him our mediator and the captain of our salvation.

Discussions like this make me realize all over again why I love Jesus so much.  He has done everything he possibly can to make things easy for us.


22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

--John 17

[thinktank]

God speed, Tank.

:bigGrin: First time i have heard someone bless me with that expression. Clever too seeing we were talking about cars.

God bless you to Beloved.

[pneuma]

Tempted does not imply fallibility.

What about this scripture

Hebrews 5

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

yes and if He had to resist sin it is obvious that He could have sinned, but did not.

That is why He is the author of our salvation

[pneuma]

Ok.  That's a good scripture that says it was foreknown that we would be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ before the foundation of the world.

foreordained before which world? this one or the one to come?

Kosmos: an apt and harmonious arrangement

Ya so, do you think this is the only Kosmos that will ever be?

[Beloved Servant]

Sounds like he had to be perfected, by resisting sin

Tempted does not mean fallibility.
He did not resist sin; He met it head-on with the Word of God.

[thinktank]

So does anyone agree that the world spoken of in this thread means the fallen system? rather than world as in "Earth"?

[jabcat]

I believe it means system, but I also believe that is open to interpretation/understanding;  including that the earth could be part of that system.   :scratchhead:

edit - OK, I thought some more.  :)    I believe in creation, but I'm not a new-earther;  I believe there was likely more than one creation, then a disruption, then this particular creation or system.  So......

[Beloved Servant]

So does anyone agree that the world spoken of in this thread means the fallen system? rather than world as in "Earth"?

Then the Scripture would be read:

The Lamb that was Slain from the fallen system.