Posssible revelation concerning Earth

[thinktank]

10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
    11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.


I have just see this and it got me very excited, it might solve a lot of mysteries concerning creation .


Here we see vegatation bearing fruit upon the trees and seed. All this on the third day.


Now we see

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.


The lights the sun is created AFTER the vegetation. According to natural physics the sun is required for the plants to grow.

So how can we solve this mystery?

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.



But did God finish all his work?

Remember that God is a spirit, and that the natural follows the spiritual.

Genesis 2
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


Did you see that?. God has already created the Earth and the heavens in Genesis1 in detail, and we see how he created vegetation with fruits and seed and producing after their own kind, he even commands man to rule over the animals.


But now wee see in Genesis 2, God is now creating physical EARTH. This time the Earth follows NATURAL science, in that the vegetaton need both water and also the sun and also a man to till the ground.


So my conclusion is that the first heavens and the earth created in 7 days, is not physical creation, because it is unscientific, but yet it can be spiritual creation, because the laws of the spirit realm are different to the physical Earth.

Praise Jesus

ThinkTank

[micah7:9]

Good work TT. You need to read A.P. Adams work of Gen.1+2 But you are absolutly correct the first chapter is spiritual and prophetic.  TT God is not "a" spirit He is Spirit. So then perhaps you  can see in Gen. 1:27 God is creating not created, He is not finished! Did you also notice that it reads God in chapter one and Lord God in chapter two. I reason that to be very significant.

[WhiteWings]

Imo there are some translation/interpretation problems in the creation account.

It for example doesn't read "the 3rd day" but something like "day three" or "a third day".
The difference is that 3rd comes after second and before forth. It's about order.
The other translations are not. They are more like: "The next thing I want to tell you about is..."
Dunno the correct English terms for what I\m trying to say.

[micah7:9]

Imo there are some translation/interpretation problems in the creation account.

It for example doesn't read "the 3rd day" but something like "day three" or "a third day".
The difference is that 3rd comes after second and before forth. It's about order.
The other translations are not. They are more like: "The next thing I want to tell you about is..."
Dunno the correct English terms for what I\m trying to say.

"Imo there are some translation/interpretation problems in the creation account."     I agree.

Please try find words to explain the 3 day?

[WhiteWings]

That's a difficult question Micah. I once read an article that analized teh Hebrew text. But it's very hard to find because most articles are old/young earth debates. But the gist of is that God never said I did things in this order. He just said I did this that and that.
It's just when I ask what you did on your last holiday. Big chance you don't give me the events in chronological order.
Only day 1 and day 7 are said to be the 1st and 7th day.

I did write something in my notebook.
In Hebrew Scriptures, and all models derived thereof, entities are reckoned solely after their behavior and not after their appearance.
An entity is a behavior, not that which executes the behavior. I think the blue part is of great importance for the whole Hebrew text. Not just the discussion about days.

To define something, the Hebrew language does not look at outer parameters but always at the action that needs to be named. The time-length of a yom is an outer parameter and not regarded in Hebrew. Since time and space are the four dimensions of space-time, and we measure sizes in the spacial dimensions with a ruler, a clock is a ruler for time. An hour is a 'distance' just like a mile.
A yom is not defined as something that is 24 hours long, but something that executes the action that defines a yom. Strictly spoken, a yom does not even have to have a length, as long as it executes the typical behavior that defines it. Forcing a static 24-hour mold upon the word yom may appear quite pious but flies flat in the face of the Second Commandment.

A yom therefore is a phase of a continuum (whether space-time, complexity or something else) that consists of two periods: a 'dark' part and a 'light' part. During the dark part of a regular day people sleep and are disconnected. During the light part they communicate and work together. Any other manifestation of yom should display the same kind of darkness (elements not connected) and lightness (elements connected).

I once read an example that clarified the difference between Hebrew and western language.
Which 2 animals look similar? Cow, Horse, Swallow.
Westerner: Cow and horse. Both are big. Four legs. Similar size.
Jew: Horse and swallow. Both move gracious swift and agile.


http://thebibleandscience.webs.com/articles/creationdays.htm

Hebrew scholar Dr. Gleason L. Archer observes:

There were six major stages in this work of formation, and these stages are represented by successive days of a week. In this connection it is important to observe that none of the six creative days bears a definite article in the Hebrew text; the translations "the first day," "the second day," etc., are in error. The Hebrew says, "And the evening took place, and the morning took place, day one" (1:5). Hebrew expresses "the first day" by hayyom hari'son, but this text says simply yom 'ehad ("day one"). Again, in v.8 we read not hayyom hasseni ("the second day") but yom seni ("a second day").2

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The original Hebrew text reveals that the days of Creation were certainly sequential in nature — each event followed the preceding event — however, they were not necessarily continuous. There may have been long periods of time between the Creation Days, and possibly between the events occurring within each day.

That's a problematic view (as TT already observed) As an example plants can't libe 1000's of year  without sunlight. And even more important sun heat. The heat is often overlooked.
I must add I do support the view of long creation days/eras.



http://gbenthien.net/Gen1/lang.html

[micah7:9]

"I must add I do support the view of long creation days/eras."  It can be no other way :thumbsup:

Am I the only one here, that has reasoned and considered that Genesis chapter one is spiritual and propehtic?
Everything that God Elohiem did in the first chapter is spoken, and I believe is not completed as of yet. 
Gen 1:1  In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth-- YLT
and I reason that God is doing the same in Gen.1:27 the Earth and  all that goes with it is a work in progess.

Ok, Im ready.

[micah7:9]

Okay then I will take it that it is just me. I thought that others may have considered, but alas.

[redhotmagma]

Could you expand on that Micah?

[Molly]

Am I the only one here, that has reasoned and considered that Genesis chapter one is spiritual and propehtic?

You aren't the only one.  Others have seen that, too.  It makes for a very interesting study.

There is certainly a palpable difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2.  Things happen in a different order in terms of creation in the two chapters.  The man is given different jobs in the two chapters.  etc.

One can also read it all completely literally.

All of it is good.

[Nil Recurring]

Interesting topic. I'm a theistic evolutionist so the theories regarding the creation account always make for an interesting read.  :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

Why would I want to read it literally at all? Yes there are words on the page about people and events that happened, but what good is the literal offering of these words, happenings, and events?
I read Treasure Island as literal events, people and happenings that may be literal, and perhaps are, but I read to enjoy, not to gain understanding. The Book, The Bible is a Book written by men inspired by God, who is Spirit, and Jesus said
Joh 6:63  the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;