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Started by WhiteWings, October 15, 2008, 10:33:50 PM

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WhiteWings

I wonder if we can just multiply any number and learn from it.
My first soart random test sounds plausible...

3. Divine Perfection or Completeness
40. Trials, Probation, Testings
120. Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit

3x40=120


There are many other combinations. But I'm not sure they are Biblically valid.
For example:
2x20=40
2x23=46
10x100=1000
10x49=490

etc
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

The number 301 is interesting in itself, for it appears everywhere on the day Jesus was crucified to redeem the world. Calvary is from the Greek word kranion, whose numeric value is 301. He was the Lamb of God. "Lambs" in Hebrew has a numeric value of 301. The lunar eclipse that day began precisely at 3:01 p.m. when He died. The Greek word for moon is selene (301).

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

redhotmagma

301 is in the 1234 pattern, which shall now be described as: 3x+1.  I promise I'm not at "A Beautiful Mind" level with seeing this pattern... yet

WhiteWings

As a follow-up to post #71 I made a little program to find all possible combinations.
I didn't check out the results yet but my aim (as a group) is to figure out if multiplied numbers give a result that makes sense.


  2  x   2 =     4
  2  x   3 =     6
  2  x   4 =     8
  2  x   5 =    10
  2  x   6 =    12
  2  x   7 =    14
  2  x   8 =    16
  2  x   9 =    18
  2  x  10 =    20
  2  x  11 =    22
  2  x  12 =    24
  2  x  13 =    26
  2  x  14 =    28
  2  x  15 =    30
  2  x  16 =    32
  2  x  17 =    34
  2  x  18 =    36
  2  x  19 =    38
  2  x  20 =    40
  2  x  21 =    42
  2  x  23 =    46
  2  x  25 =    50
  2  x  26 =    52
  2  x  30 =    60
  2  x  33 =    66
  2  x  35 =    70
  2  x  38 =    76
  2  x  50 =   100
  2  x  60 =   120
  2  x 100 =   200
  3  x   3 =     9
  3  x   4 =    12
  3  x   5 =    15
  3  x   6 =    18
  3  x   7 =    21
  3  x   8 =    24
  3  x   9 =    27
  3  x  10 =    30
  3  x  11 =    33
  3  x  12 =    36
  3  x  13 =    39
  3  x  14 =    42
  3  x  15 =    45
  3  x  17 =    51
  3  x  20 =    60
  3  x  22 =    66
  3  x  40 =   120
  3  x  51 =   153
  3  x  70 =   210
  3  x 200 =   600
  4  x   4 =    16
  4  x   5 =    20
  4  x   6 =    24
  4  x   7 =    28
  4  x   8 =    32
  4  x   9 =    36
  4  x  10 =    40
  4  x  13 =    52
  4  x  15 =    60
  4  x  19 =    76
  4  x  25 =   100
  4  x  30 =   120
  4  x  36 =   144
  4  x  50 =   200
  5  x   5 =    25
  5  x   6 =    30
  5  x   7 =    35
  5  x   8 =    40
  5  x   9 =    45
  5  x  10 =    50
  5  x  12 =    60
  5  x  13 =    65
  5  x  14 =    70
  5  x  20 =   100
  5  x  24 =   120
  5  x  40 =   200
  5  x  42 =   210
  5  x 120 =   600
  5  x 200 =  1000
  6  x   6 =    36
  6  x   7 =    42
  6  x  10 =    60
  6  x  11 =    66
  6  x  20 =   120
  6  x  24 =   144
  6  x  35 =   210
  6  x  46 =   276
  6  x  65 =   390
  6  x 100 =   600
  7  x   7 =    49
  7  x  10 =    70
  7  x  17 =   119
  7  x  30 =   210
  7  x  70 =   490
  8  x  15 =   120
  8  x  18 =   144
  8  x  25 =   200
  9  x  16 =   144
  9  x  17 =   153
  9  x  46 =   414
10  x  10 =   100
10  x  12 =   120
10  x  20 =   200
10  x  21 =   210
10  x  22 =   220
10  x  39 =   390
10  x  49 =   490
10  x  60 =   600
10  x 100 =  1000
11  x  20 =   220
12  x  12 =   144
12  x  23 =   276
12  x  50 =   600
13  x  30 =   390
14  x  15 =   210
14  x  31 =   434
14  x  35 =   490
15  x  26 =   390
15  x  40 =   600
18  x  23 =   414
18  x  37 =   666
20  x  30 =   600
20  x  50 =  1000
24  x  25 =   600
24  x  37 =   888
25  x  40 =  1000
49  x 1000 = 49000
100  x 490 = 49000
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

CHB

Quote from: WhiteWings
If I would I wouldn't have been silent about it for 8500 posts. The closed in that direction is that I'm critical. That's just me. I'm no following sheep. I have lots of distrust in about everything and anyone.

Hi ww,

I just read this, don't know how I missed reading it.
I am like this also. I find it hard to trust people and I question everything, even my own reasonings at times. I think that is a good thing. I use to be different until I was almost brained washed by a certain organization.  I have had to change my mind on many things that I use to believe. I have noticed on some forums that some posters tend to look to one person for the truth but I read everything and anything I can get my hands on. Truth comes from many different sources, of course God is the giver of all truth but I don't think he uses one person to give it to.    SORRY, BACK ON TOPIC.

CHB

Cardinal

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 14, 2011, 06:52:49 PM
I hope you are aware it was just a copy and paste job....

:cloud9: Of course, but digging is digging, even to finding reference materials or articles.
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Cardinal

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 14, 2011, 11:41:32 PM
I wonder if we can just multiply any number and learn from it.
My first soart random test sounds plausible...

3. Divine Perfection or Completeness
40. Trials, Probation, Testings
120. Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit

3x40=120


There are many other combinations. But I'm not sure they are Biblically valid.
For example:
2x20=40
2x23=46
10x100=1000
10x49=490

etc

:cloud9: Could be wrong, but I'm thinking that 490 is the number of years the Israelites were in judgment somewhere in there......
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

WhiteWings

#82
True or not Cardinal all those historical events are just there to establish solid symbolic.
Sadly people don't seem to care to look at that. They only see depth less number games in the "Secrets of time" thread. And simply get triggered by the title of a post without reading what's about. :winkgrin:

Jubilee = releasing from bondage.
10 is fullness.
Then it's not hard to imagine that 10x49 is something big.

Again take a lot of care when using my little list. It's just computer generated.
Don't be surprised if you find stuff like war x sin = HS
It's just that multiplying 2 holy numbers gives another holy concept.
I just wondered if that's true with all possible combinations.
That basically means we have to discuss each forumula...
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

Take for example this verse:
ACVJohn 21
11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty-three. And being so many, the net was not broken.

What's the use of mentioning 153. Isn't mentioning that the net was so full that it almost burst enough?


ACVJohn 21
8 And the other disciples came in the skiff (for they were not far from the land, but about two hundred cubits off), dragging the net of the fishes.

Why mentioning 200 cubits (300ft, 91.44m)? Isn't "in the distance" detailed enough?

I'm con viced that anyone that doesn't know why those numbers are mentioned, doesn't fully understand that verse or a verse elsewhere in the Bible. Note that I'm not saying that someone who figured out a number understands the verse better that someone else. There are layers. The number game is just one layer. Not the only layer. But like in this verse I think it can at least be used to verify translation errors.


The numerical value of the Greek word for "fishes" is 1224 = 153 x 8  (John 21:8)
The numerical value of the Greek word for "net" is also 1224 = 153 x 8 (John 21:11)


In Greek the word order is different than in the English translations.

"drew the net to land, full of fishes" = 153 x 31
"of great a hundred and fifty three" = 153 x 23

"Fishers of men" = 153  x 14 (Mark 1:17)

There are 2 spellings for the word "fishes" in Greek.
One has the above mentioned value of 153 x 8 = 1224.
The other spelling has a value of 170 x 11 = 1870

The funny thing is that in every fishing related verse 153 and 170 pops up.



What's the use of the above? I don't know. Besides it's funny it doesn't give me a deeper understanding of the verses. But it's a bit of extra proof for divinity. That's worth something too I guess.
I can also imagine the following situation. A heated debate on some subject. For example salvation. After a lot of arguments and counter arguments some fishes verses seem to hold the key to the debate. Unfortunately the 2 different Bibles the opponents swear by translate the verse slightly different and nothing is solved. Eventually only the Greek can answer the correctness of translation. But there are different Greek manuscripts too. I believe that the inspired one can be spotted with the above numbers....
But then; I'm just a number geek  :laughing7:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

2 Division x 3 Divine Perfection or Completeness = 6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor
2 Division x 4 Fullness of Creation, the World = 8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings
2 Division x 5 Grace, God's Goodness = 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility
2 Division x 6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor = 12 Divine Government
2 Division x 7 Spiritual Perfection = 14 Deliverance, Salvation
2 Division x 8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings = 16 Love
2 Division x 9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit = 18 Bondage
2 Division x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 20 Redemption
2 Division x 11 Disorder, Disintegration = 22 Light
2 Division x 12 Divine Government = 24 Priesthood
2 Division x 13 Depravity and Rebellion = 26 Gospel of Christ
2 Division x 14 Deliverance, Salvation = 28 Eternal Life
2 Division x 15 Rest = 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity
2 Division x 16 Love = 32 Covenant
2 Division x 17 Victory = 34 Naming of a Son
2 Division x 18 Bondage = 36 Enemy
2 Division x 19 Faith = 38 Slavery
2 Division x 20 Redemption = 40 Trials, Probation, Testings
2 Division x 21 Exceeding Sinfulness of Sin = 42 Man's Opposition to God, Antichrist
2 Division x 23 Death = 46 Herod's Temple, Man Without the Holy Spirit
2 Division x 25 Forgiveness of Sins = 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee
2 Division x 26 Gospel of Christ = 52 Building Wall around Jerusalem
2 Division x 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity = 60 Pride
2 Division x 33 Promise = 66 Idol Worship
2 Division x 35 Hope = 70 Universality, Restoration of All Things
2 Division x 38 Slavery = 76 Cleansing or Blotting Out
2 Division x 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee = 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise
2 Division x 60 Pride = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
2 Division x 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise = 200 Insufficiency
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 4 Fullness of Creation, the World = 12 Divine Government
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 5 Grace, God's Goodness = 15 Rest
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor = 18 Bondage
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 7 Spiritual Perfection = 21 Exceeding Sinfulness of Sin
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings = 24 Priesthood
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit = 27 Preaching the Gospel
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 11 Disorder, Disintegration = 33 Promise
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 12 Divine Government = 36 Enemy
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 13 Depravity and Rebellion = 39 Disease, Infirmity, Weakness
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 14 Deliverance, Salvation = 42 Man's Opposition to God, Antichrist
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 15 Rest = 45 Preservation
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 17 Victory = 51 Divine Revelation; Peace
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 20 Redemption = 60 Pride
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 22 Light = 66 Idol Worship
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 40 Trials, Probation, Testings = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 51 Divine Revelation; Peace = 153 The Sons of God
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 70 Universality, Restoration of All Things = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
3 Divine Perfection or Completeness x 200 Insufficiency = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 5 Grace, God's Goodness = 20 Redemption
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor = 24 Priesthood
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 7 Spiritual Perfection = 28 Eternal Life
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings = 32 Covenant
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit = 36 Enemy
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 40 Trials, Probation, Testings
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 13 Depravity and Rebellion = 52 Building Wall around Jerusalem
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 15 Rest = 60 Pride
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 19 Faith = 76 Cleansing or Blotting Out
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 25 Forgiveness of Sins = 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 36 Enemy = 144 The First Resurrection saints
4 Fullness of Creation, the World x 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee = 200 Insufficiency
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor = 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 7 Spiritual Perfection = 35 Hope
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings = 40 Trials, Probation, Testings
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit = 45 Preservation
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 12 Divine Government = 60 Pride
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 13 Depravity and Rebellion = 65 Apostasy
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 14 Deliverance, Salvation = 70 Universality, Restoration of All Things
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 20 Redemption = 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 24 Priesthood = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 40 Trials, Probation, Testings = 200 Insufficiency
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 42 Man's Opposition to God, Antichrist = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
5 Grace, God's Goodness x 200 Insufficiency = 1000 Glory of God, Completeness
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 7 Spiritual Perfection = 42 Man's Opposition to God, Antichrist
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 60 Pride
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 11 Disorder, Disintegration = 66 Idol Worship
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 20 Redemption = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 24 Priesthood = 144 The First Resurrection saints
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 35 Hope = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 46 Herod's Temple, Man Without the Holy Spirit = 276 The Flesh, Satan, Babylon
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 65 Apostasy = 390 No King in Israel (see 39)
6 Man, Man's Wisdom and Labor x 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

#85
7 Spiritual Perfection x 10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility = 70 Universality, Restoration of All Things
7 Spiritual Perfection x 17 Victory = 119 The Call to Resurrection (yet falling short)
7 Spiritual Perfection x 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
7 Spiritual Perfection x 70 Universality, Restoration of All Things = 490 Blessed Time (see 49)
8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings x 15 Rest = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings x 18 Bondage = 144 The First Resurrection saints
8 New Birth, New Creation, New Beginnings x 25 Forgiveness of Sins = 200 Insufficiency
9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit x 16 Love = 144 The First Resurrection saints
9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit x 17 Victory = 153 The Sons of God
9 Judgment; as 3 x 3, it signifies the Gifts and Fruits of the Spirit x 46 Herod's Temple, Man Without the Holy Spirit = 414 Cursed Time
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 12 Divine Government = 120 Probationary Period Awaiting the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 20 Redemption = 200 Insufficiency
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 21 Exceeding Sinfulness of Sin = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 22 Light = 220 Light (see 22)
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 39 Disease, Infirmity, Weakness = 390 No King in Israel (see 39)
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 49 Jubilee = 490 Blessed Time (see 49)
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 60 Pride = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
10 Fullness of Law and Responsibility x 100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise = 1000 Glory of God, Completeness
11 Disorder, Disintegration x 20 Redemption = 220 Light (see 22)
12 Divine Government x 23 Death = 276 The Flesh, Satan, Babylon
12 Divine Government x 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
13 Depravity and Rebellion x 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity = 390 No King in Israel (see 39)
14 Deliverance, Salvation x 15 Rest = 210 Time of Jacob's Trouble (see 21)
14 Deliverance, Salvation x 31 Offspring = 434 Judged Time
14 Deliverance, Salvation x 35 Hope = 490 Blessed Time (see 49)
15 Rest x 26 Gospel of Christ = 390 No King in Israel (see 39)
15 Rest x 40 Trials, Probation, Testings = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
18 Bondage x 23 Death = 414 Cursed Time
18 Bondage x 37 Jesus, as The Word of God = 666 Man's Authority Over God's Creation
20 Redemption x 30 Blood of Christ, Dedication, Spiritual Maturity = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
20 Redemption x 50 Holy Spirit, Pentecost, Jubilee = 1000 Glory of God, Completeness
24 Priesthood x 25 Forgiveness of Sins = 600 Warfare in the World (see 60)
24 Priesthood x 37 Jesus, as The Word of God = 888 Fullness of Christ's Body
25 Forgiveness of Sins x 40 Trials, Probation, Testings = 1000 Glory of God, Completeness
49 Jubilee x 1000 Glory of God, Completeness = 4900 CREATION's Jubilee
100 God's Election of Grace, Children of Promise x 490 Blessed Time (see 49) = 49000 CREATION's Jubilee
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Cardinal

 :cloud9: It does point to perfection (the numerical "signs"), just like the meaning of the names did for me when I first noticed them, 25 years ago as a young Christian. To me it's a faith builder for those young in the faith, because such things DO build your faith (it did mine) towards Him and the undeniable fact that the scriptures are inspired by a non-human source.

God created numbers; they are a portion of something that in this realm only is able to be portioned in the first place: HIS Spirit. He fragmented Himself and lowered Himself into His creation.

So the creation has to mirror some aspect of Himself, and since His plan for the ages is part of Him (how do you seperate what He says from what He is?) as it came out of Him, then it can only be that numbers "speak" something of Him and His plan. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

redhotmagma

153 is also 3 x 51
what does 51 mean? 




Peter went up to where Jesus is where He fed them, that was the third time he revealed himself to them.  They dragged (as in I will draw all men to myself) 153 fish, but he had told them they would be fishers of men, right after this is when He restores Peter, and asks him 3 times to tend His sheep.


153 men go up on a mountain to retrieve Elijah who is a prophet to recieve a [THE] word from God. 

2 Kings 1, Elijah is up on the mountain and doesn't want to come down because he is afraid of his life.  a captain 1 + guard 50 are sent to get him

first two 51's go demand he come down and he calls fire down from heaven on them.  3rd captain humbles himself, and Elijah comes down.

psalm 102 102:1 O Lord, hear my prayer!
Pay attention to my cry for help! 2
102:2 Do not ignore me in my time of trouble! 3
Listen to me! 4
When I call out to you, quickly answer me!
102:3 For my days go up in smoke, 5
and my bones are charred like a fireplace.

102=51 x 2  = first 2 sets of 51 that were burned.  They demanded he come down, third humbled and begged

51st psalm is after David went to Bathsheeba

51:16 Certainly 42  you do not want a sacrifice, or else I would offer it; 43
you do not desire a burnt sacrifice. 44
51:17 The sacrifices God desires are a humble spirit 45  –
O God, a humble and repentant heart 46  you will not reject. 47



WhiteWings

Quote from: redhotmagma on May 17, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
153 is also 3 x 51
what does 51 mean?
According to reply #71

51. Divine Revelation; Peace
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

WhiteWings

Quote from: Cardinal on May 17, 2011, 04:01:58 PM:cloud9: It does point to perfection (the numerical "signs"), just like the meaning of the names did for me when I first noticed them, 25 years ago as a young Christian. To me it's a faith builder for those young in the faith,
And now? The numbers changed from faith builders into road signs to hidden gems? I guess your answer is yes.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

redhotmagma

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: redhotmagma on May 17, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
153 is also 3 x 51
what does 51 mean?
According to reply #71

51. Divine Revelation; Peace
http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/50.html

The Number Fifty-One

This is the number of Divine revelation,

for there are 24 books in the Old Testament,
and 27 books in the New Testament,
making 51 in all.
This is, of course, reckoning the Divine separation of the books, as exhibited in the MSS, which form our only authority, and not reckoning according to man's manipulation of them; for both Jewish and Gentile fancies and reasonings make quite a different and conflicting number.

I wasn't hanging my hat on that interpretation of 51 since, 49 books seems to be the proper configuration.  Although I haven't really researched it beyond askelm and a little reading on the bible in its original order.

I haven't seen any other reference to 51 being divine revelation. 

Cardinal

 :cloud9: I can see 50 as being the number of the church, ie. Pentecost, plus 1 being Him.  :dontknow:
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

WhiteWings

Could be but adding numbers is tricky business as the following example shows.


1. Unity, Primacy
2. Division
3. Divine Perfection or Completeness

1 + 2 = 3 ???

How can adding division create perfection?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

QuoteHow can adding division create perfection?

It's the way every biological organism works.  Ask a baby.

Why wouldn't a spiritual organism be the same?

But, if there are no boundaries [the Law], you get cancer.

WhiteWings

QuoteAsk a baby.
Ba ba boee :)
If I read division I read a divided kingdom can not stand.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 07:18:44 PM
QuoteAsk a baby.
Ba ba boee :)
If I read division I read a divided kingdom can not stand.
Division in the sense of increase, not enmity, as in the dividing of a cell or the planting of a seed.

WhiteWings

Ah! Ok.

1+2+3+4=10
I'm wondering if it's right to play number games and assume they have Biblical value.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 07:38:19 PM
Ah! Ok.

1+2+3+4=10
I'm wondering if it's right to play number games and assume they have Biblical value.
It's a type of magic.  And magic is forbidden.
The magicians love their numbers: 911, 11/22, 7/7...

WhiteWings

Quote from: Molly on May 17, 2011, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 07:38:19 PM
Ah! Ok.

1+2+3+4=10
I'm wondering if it's right to play number games and assume they have Biblical value.
It's a type of magic.  And magic is forbidden.
Why is 1+2=3 Biblical and 1+2+3+4=10 magic?
QuoteThe magicians love their numbers: 911, 11/22, 7/7...
And Christians love an even bigger list (post 71)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Cardinal

 :cloud9: Numerology is a type of magic, and is the counterfeit for what God has shown thru numbers.....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor