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[WhiteWings]

Is a Jubilee 49 or 50 years? Answer both... :mshock:

120 Jubilees is:
120 x 50 = 6000 year
120 x 49 = 5880 year

A week is 7 days. Saturday is the 7th day and called Sabbath day.
Same for a week of years. The 7th year is a Sabbath year.
A week of weeks is 7 weeks of years. 7x7=49 years.
After the 7th Sabbath year (49th year) is a Jubilee year.
The most significant year on the calendar. Slaves are set free and debts are canceled out the Jubilee year. -> We are no longer enslaved by sin/death.

The Jubilee year is both the 50th year and the 1st year. (just like Sunday the 8th day. 8=1).
50=1
The Jubilee year is the first year of the next 49 year cycle.
Or even simpler the first year of the 49 year cycle is called Jubilee.
Adam was created at the very start of a Jubilee year. So mankind's clocks started ticking at a Jubilee.


1 2 3 ....  47 48 49 50
                      1  2  3 ....  47 48 49 50
                                              1 2 3 .......

In the era of Kings there where lots of co-regencies. The father king usually had a co ruler ship with his son for a few years.
(The father was still the real king but the son usually to care of public affairs.)
Example: The father reigned for 50 years. The last year the father reigned with his son who also reigned 50 years.
How long did they reign in total?
50+50=100  minus the 1 year co-regency  ==> 99 years
99 years chronologically (calendar time)
100 years of legal time. Both were really king.

Their 100 years are compressed into 99 years. (time is shortened)
The father reigned a Jubilee cycle (50) but due to the 1 year overlap (Jubilee year) his last year fell in the Jubilee cycle of the son.

So 120 jubilee cycles is 6000 years of reign but due to the overlap it's 120 year shorter; 5880 year.

I hope the above makes a bit of sense. :Chinscratch:

PS I likely will make some changes to this post later.

[WhiteWings]

When does the (Sabbath/Jubilee) year start? Answer: Fall and spring. :umnick:

As you will see in this post the start of the year has changed since creation. One of the reasons is honor.thanks to God for leading the people to the promised land. I'm sure that change has a even bigger symbolic meaning. A meaning I unfortunately have no idea about. Yet...

There are 3 main debates regarding the Jubilee cycle.
1] Is a Jubilee cycle 49 or 50 years long? ==> See my previous post.
2] When exactly is the next Jubilee? ==> That soley depends on secular data. When the Bible states that there was a Jubilee in the year of the 2nd solar eclipse in the reign of king-X. Only accurate historical and astronomical data gives the correct answer to our question. (interpretation of) secular data may conflict.
3] What month does the cycle start?  ==> In this post tries to answer that question.
Many will say: Who cares about the exact dates? A few months more of less don't matter of a timespan of several millenia.
Besides that it's nice to know there is more importance to it. If the cycles are messed up all God's patterns break. His significant numbers like 7 suddenly become 6.5 or 7.5. Then we simply can't spot the patterns anymore. And without patterns a lot of depth an confirmation of theories is lost.
Below a picture of 4 Jubilee cycle systems.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2569/4jubleecycles.gif)
In my opinion a lot of the confusion is because of theological bias. For example Jesus' death is linked to both a full passover moon and a Sabbath cycle. Some denominations state He died on a Friday while others say Thurday or Wednesday. Obviously the full moon wasn't on all 3 days in the same year. So another year has to be found that supports the 'day theory' of the denomination. But God's clock is synced on (with?) the Sabbath years, so interpretation of the Jubilee cycle needs to be aligned too....
1st month: Abib = Nisan => Xanthicus on the Greek calendar (Usually April)
2nd month: Zif = Iyyar => Dios 1st month on the Greek calendar
7th month: Ethanium = Tishri (Usually September)
8th month: Bul = Marheshvan

^YLTExodus 34
18 `The feast of unleavened things thou dost keep; seven days thou dost eat unleavened things, as I have commanded thee, at an appointed time, the month of Abib: for in the month of Abib thou didst come out from Egypt.

==> A very clear verse. They came out of Egypt in the month Abib=Nisan=April

^YLTExodus 12
2 `This month is to you the chief of months--it is the first to you of the months of the year;
3 speak ye unto all the company of Israel, saying, In the tenth of this month--they take to them each man a lamb for the house of the fathers, a lamb for a house.
4 `(And if the household be too few for a lamb, then hath he taken, he and his neighbour who is near unto his house, for the number of persons, each according to his eating ye do count for the lamb,)
5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;
7 and they have taken of the blood, and have put on the two side-posts, and on the lintel over the houses in which they eat it.

==> It's clear the first month is passover month (Nisan/April)
==> Why did God command Nisan would be the 1st month?
====> There was no calendar before? The flood story clearly refutes that idea.
====> Nothing changed. If so why God even mentioned it?
====> Something changed.

^YLTGenesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, in this day have been broken up all fountains of the great deep, and the net-work of the heavens hath been opened,

==> This verse uses a calendar. Does it mean there was a calendar during Noach's time or did the author of this verse just extrapolate the calendar backwards? (more on that later)If the calendar changed or was completly new why didn't God explain all the changes/new things? That's because the months did not change at all. God just commanded that the 7th month would become the 1th month.
Old calendar: September October November December January February March April May June July August
New calendar: April May June July August September October November December January February March

The Jewish historian Josephus (37-100AD) who was a priest that came from a family of (high) priests and studied with the Saduceans, Pharisees and Essene wrote the folliwing to Greek people.

This calamity happened in the six hundredth year of Noah's government, [age,] in the second month,(14)
called by the Macedonians Dius, but by the Hebrews Marchesuan: for so did they order their year in Egypt.
But Moses appointed that · Nisan, which is the same with Xanthicus, should be the first month for their
festivals, because he brought them out of Egypt in that month: so that this month began the year as to all
the solemnities they observed to the honor of God, although he preserved the original order of the months
as to selling and buying, and other ordinary affairs.

The above shows that the ancient Jews observed a religious and a civil calendar.
^EBRExodus 34
22 And, the festival of weeks, shalt thou make to thee, the firstfruits of the wheat harvest,––and the festival of ingathering, at the closing in of the year:

Ingathering is the feast of Tabernacles. The fall harvest. Obviously the start of the year is close to the end of the year.
So Exodus 34:22 states the year starts in the fall while Exodus 12:1 states the year starts in the spring.

On to the next post.

[WhiteWings]

Now we need to figure out if the Jubilee/Sabbath cycle is aligned with the religious spring-spring year; or the civil fall-fall year.
Answer: Sabbath and Jubilee years start 1 Tishri (September)  

^YLTLeviticus 25
9 and thou hast caused a trumpet of shouting to pass over in the seventh month, in the tenth of the month; in the day of the atonements ye do cause a trumpet to pass over through all your land;

Leviticus is written after Exodus so it's safe to assume the writer was aware of the 2 calendars. The trumpet is sounded in the 7th month on the day of atonement. (September)

^YLTLeviticus 25
10 and ye have hallowed the year, the fiftieth year; and ye have proclaimed liberty in the land to all its inhabitants; a jubilee it is to you; and ye have turned back each unto his possession; yea, each unto his family ye do turn back.

So the trumpets blown in September signal the start of a Jubilee (50th) year. Does that Jubilee year start immediately or is it a warning that it really starts 6 month later in April? (surely it's no coincidence there are 7 trumpets in Revelation)
The Jewish new year is also called feats of trumpets. The new year is, obviously, every year. While sounding a trumpet 6 month ahead in a 50 year cycle doesn't sound very odd; doing the same every year is odd... As the verses below show immediate action was taken when the trumpet sounded. Very likely the Jubilee trumpet was also a signal for immediate action. Setting slaves free and cancel debts.

And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the
tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of
the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee. When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie
on the east parts shall go forward. When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the
south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys. But when the congregation is
to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm. (Numbers 10:3-7)

Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather
together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defensed cities. Set up the standard toward
Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. (Jeremiah 4:5-6)
--> The horn was a battle cry. On the battle field everything is immediate.

Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not
hearken. Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. Hear, O earth:
behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened
unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. (Jeremiah 6:17-19)

They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all
the multitude thereof. (Ezekiel 7:14)

Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the
congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom
go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (Joel 2:15-16)

All those verses indicate imediate action. So why would it be diffrent when declaring the Jubilee year?

^JPSJoel 2
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God; for He giveth you the former rain in just measure, and He causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, at the first.

That verse speaks of the rain season. The 7th and 8th month. September/October are the former rain. The latter rain is in April.
To shift to the other calendar we simply need to apply a 6 month shift. The 2nd month becomes the 8th month.
8th month: Bul = Marheshvan
Bul simply means rain. So the rain season is a alignment of the two calendars.

^EBRGenesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year, the year of the life of Noah, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month––on this day, were burst open, all the fountains of the great roaring deep, and, the windows of the heavens, were set open.

The flood started in the month Bul/Rain. The water rose during the rain season (former-latter rain).
The word flood and rain are only one letter different in Hebrew

The Sabbath/Jubilee year starts on 1 Tishri = September = Feast of trumpets.

[WhiteWings]

One last (???) post on the start of the cycles.
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5095/templetable.gif)
Based upon inclusive reckoning (which is typically used in scripture), the result is very interesting. Using a fall
calendar for the start of the year yields seven years to construct the temple, but using a Nisan (Abib) calendar it
would have taken almost eight years to complete the temple.

(http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/bere-tishriA.jpg)
Obviously creation started at teh beginning of the calendar.
It should be noted Jesus was born on 1 Tishri too.
Maybe that's a little bit of proof too?

Summary of the this thread so far:

1] The civil calendar is from Tishri-Tishri = Fall-Fall = September-September
2] The civil calendar is still in use and started before the flood.
3] The (Sabbath/Jubilee) years start on 1 Tishri
4] When the people left Egypt God ordered a religous calendar.
5] The religious calendar is still in use and started at Exodus.
6] The religious year is from Nisan-Nisan = Spring-Spring = April-April
7] The religous year starts at the first month of the year.
8] The civil year starts at the 7th month of the year.

[WhiteWings]

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1520/120jubilees.gif)

Thus, the period from Abraham to Jesus was like a training period, comparable to Moses
being trained in the wilderness prior to his job of leading Israel out of Egypt.

The 80th Jubilee from Adam is 26 A.D. It brings us to the time of Jesus, who is one like
unto Moses, in that He led us out of our Egyptian bondage (to sin) at Passover. It takes no stretch
of imagination to see how Jesus, after the 80th Jubilee, did what Moses did at the age of 80.

Even as Moses led "the church in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38) for 40 years, so also did
Jesus lead the New Testament Church into the wilderness for a period of 40 Jubilees. Moses died
after leading Israel for 40 years, and Joshua led Israel across the Jordan river into the Promised
Land. So also in our day, after 40 more Jubilees, Jesus (whose Hebrew name is Joshua) will lead
us into the greater promise of the inheritance lost by Adam at the beginning.

There is a seeming discrepancy that we must reconcile at this point. The 80th Jubilee from
Adam was 26 A.D., but the New Testament Church began in 33 A.D. Thus, 40 Jubilees later we
find that we have two endpoints as well: 1986 and 1993. The year 1986 is the 120th Jubilee from
Adam; but 1993 was the 40th Jubilee of the Church.

To explain the reasons for this would require more background material than we can give
here. But by the time you have completed these studies, the full picture will be manifest. We can
only say for now that God planned this discrepancy in order to delay the fullness of the Spirit from
coming ahead of schedule.

[WhiteWings]

Leviticus 12 tells us that when a woman gives birth to a son, she is unclean for seven days.
On the eighth day she is to have her son circumcised. Then she is remain separate from her
husband for yet another 33 days, for a total of 40 days (Lev. 12:2-4). However, if a woman gives
birth to a daughter, she is considered unclean for 14 days, followed by another 66 days of
purification and separation from her husband. And so, after a daughter's birth, she is to remain
separate from her husband for a total of 80 days (Lev. 12:5).

Summary:
Boy: the woman is unclean for 7 days and seperated from her husband for a totall of 40 days. (40 includes 7)
Girl: the woman is unclean for 14 days and seperated from her husband for a total 80 days. (80 includes 14)

In the law, the people were required to bring a sacrifice to God as part of the purification
rite after childbirth (Lev. 12:6-8). It was not that they had committed a sin by having children, as
some have suggested; nor was it meant to imply that proper sexual relations was a sin. Rather, it
was to show that they had brought forth children in the image of fallen man—not in the image of
God. The child, whether boy or girl, was born into a realm of death (mortality). The woman had
thus "touched a dead body" and was therefore unclean for seven days (Num. 19:11). She was
defiled by the mortal condition of her offspring.

In a broad sense, there are two Adams: the first was made a living soul; the second was
made a living spirit (1 Cor. 15:45). Paul tells us here that "there is a soulish body, and there is a
spiritual body" (1 Cor. 15:44, literal translation). The word for "soul" or "soulish" is often
translated "natural," and this hides the significance of the word. But in understanding the
difference between soul and spirit, it is apparent that men descended from Adam are soulish,
while those descended from Jesus are spiritual Sons and Daughters.

Thus, we can see that Adam and Eve brought forth an age in which all were inherently
soulish. The word for "soul" is nephesh in Hebrew, and pseuche in Greek. These are feminine in
the original languages. (In the English language, we do not have masculine and feminine words,
but in many other languages, they do.) Thus, the soul is pictured as the feminine side of man,
while the spirit is pictured as the masculine side. Every man and every woman has both a feminine side and a masculine side, called the soul and the spirit. 

Summary:
Adam#1 = Soul = Female = 80 day seperation. (80 Jubilees)
Adam#2 = Spirit = Male = 40 day seperation. (40 Jubilees)
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2195/4080days.gif)
(It can be argued 26 and 33 AD are the correct dates but that's not important now.)

This also explains why God would not impregnate the earth by His Spirit prior to the 80th
Jubilee (26 A.D.). It would not have fit His Plan as revealed in Leviticus 12. The law is, and
always has been, the blueprint of His intent and Plan for the earth. We have not understood His
Plan because we have not understood His law. Jesus Himself became the sacrifice by which the
"woman" was cleansed and purified at the end of her 80 Jubilees of separation. Then and only
then could God once again impregnate the earth with His Spiritual Seed on the day of Pentecost.

Once again, the earth brought forth God's offspring. This time He brought forth a son.
Unfortunately, since the Feast of Pentecost is characterized by a leavened offering of firstfruits
(Lev. 23:17), it meant that God's son in the Pentecostal Age is leavened. That is, the sons of God
during this age are still mortal and imperfect. Thus, the law specifies that the woman (earth) must
await another 40 Jubilees of separation from her Husband before her time of purification is
complete. Only then is she lawfully able to be united with her Husband to conceive again. The 40
Jubilees of purification extended from 33 A.D. to 1993 A.D. The earth is now (1993) lawfully eligible to
be impregnated a third time—and this time the earth will bring forth the Manchild, the corporate
body of the Sons of God who are spiritually perfected and in the full image and likeness of God.

God waited seven years after the 80th Jubilee before impregnating His wife the second
time. The 80th Jubilee was in 26 A.D., but God waited until Pentecost of 33 A.D. to overshadow
His wife. This seven-year tarrying period at the beginning of the next 40 Jubilees plays out in a
seven-year difference between 1986 and 1993 as well. It partly explains why the Holy Spirit was
not poured out in 1986. Even though 1986 was the 120th Jubilee, the Pentecostal Age did not end
until 1993 A.D. Thus, the Spirit could not have come prior to 1993.

[CHB]

So WW, does that mean that we should count 40 more years onto 1993? This would make the time of the end 2033. Is this how you are seeing it?

CHB

[WhiteWings]

I don't know yet Charlotte....
Look at the Fleshly Daughter and son picture.
At the year 0 earth gave birth to a girl. She was unclean for 80 Jubilees.
In 26 AD the husband was allowed to make his wife pregnant again.
But the HS waited 7 years. Why 7 years? My guess is that the answer lays in Daniels 70 weeks.
The last week ended when the Gospel wasn't preached to Jews only anymore but also the Gentiles. That week ended 33AD
The husband (=HS) was retrained by prophesies so to speak.

My guess regarding 1993...
In revelation we read about seven trumpets. The trumpets are sounded each new year.
We also read about 7 seals.
The HS was held back until 26 AD because it simply was unlawful to impregnate his wife sooner.
After that the HS was wating for a seal to be broken.
Jesus returns when all seals are broken.
A seal is possibly a prophesy that ended.
So in 1993 a seal is broken.
Does that mean HS impreganated the earth again?
I think only if a seal isn't holding HS back.
IMO there is at least 1 more seal. 2016 or in the timeline in the picture 2014.

Your guess is as good as mine. The seals idea popped into my head an hour ago when I took the garbage out. Your thoughts?
Also consider when the child isn't born on teh same day the mother is impregnated. That likely adds some extra time.
Revelation can be seen as period of birth pains....?

[WhiteWings]

Redemption

Exodus 22 shows that all sin is reckoned as debt. To be forgiven the debt has to be paid.
Justice demands that the thief pays back in twofold  to fivefold depending on the situation.
The thief is redeemed if the payment is made. It should be noted that a judge doesn't have the right to give a higher or lower sentence that exodus 22 specifies. The thief and victim can agree lawful different arrangements.

In Exodus 22:3 we read that a thief who can't pay his debt will be sold (as a slave).
From that moment the thief is redeemed by his redeemer the slave owner. Now the slave owner = redeemer has to pay the debt to the victim. (Jesus is a Redeemer)

The rules for calculating a debt.

- Ordinary theft: Twice the amount stolen
- Items that can't be returned intact and/or in full: Four times the amount.
- Stealing tools of someones trade: Fivefold debt.
The debt is determined according to how
much the sinner stole, multiplied by two, unless the stolen item cannot be returned intact and in
full. In such cases, the restitution is doubled to four times the amount stolen. And if the sinner
steals the tools of a man's trade (an "ox" in Ex. 22:1), the restitution is calculated as five times the
amount stolen.


Adam (mankind) sinned but couldn't pay his debt; so he was sold as slave to work. His owner was.....
^EBRGenesis 3
17 And, to the man, he said, Because thou didst hearken to the voice of thy wife, and so didst eat of the tree as to which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it, Accursed be the ground for thy sake, In pain, shalt thou eat of it, all the days of thy life;
18 Thorn also and thistle, shall it shoot forth to thee,––when thou hast come to eat of the herb of the field:
19 In the sweat of thy face, shalt thou eat bread, until thou return to the ground, because, therefrom, wast thou taken,––For, dust, thou art, And, unto dust, shalt thou return.
.... earth!
Also note the earth was cursed for the benefit of Adam. Slave master earth wanted to get rid  of the thorns and thistles and hired Adam to do so. That way Adam paid his debt.

Blessed time.

Then, coming near, Peter said [to him]––Lord! how many times, shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until, seven, times? (Matthew 18:21)
Jesus saith to him––I say not unto thee, unto, seven, times, but, until seventy times seven. (Matthew 18:22)

Seven times seventy = 490 = 10 x 49 = 10 Jubilees. God's grace period is 490 years.
Seven times seven = 49 = 7 Sabbath years.

Seventy weeks, have been divided concerning thy people and concerning thy holy city––to put an end to the transgression, and fill up the measure of sin, and put a propitiatory–covering over iniquity, and bring in the righteousness of ages, and affix a seal the vision and prophecy, and anoint the holy of holies. (Daniel 9:24)
===> The people got 70 weeks = 70x7 = 490 year grace period to stop sinning. If not God collects the debt.
===> The famous 70 weeks.


There are 3 Sabbaths in the law.
Sabbath day: Every 7th day of the week man and animal got a day of rest.
Sabbath year: Every 7th year man and animal got a year of rest. Slaves were sent on a holiday home. They didn't works so they didn't pay off debts that year.
Jubilee rest: Every 50th year animals get rest. All debt is totally canceled. So the slaves are set free.

The Jews made sacrifices for their sins in the Temple. The priests spilled some blood under the altar and covered it with dust.
The sins were not yet forgiven then. They were basically stored under the altar. Once a year on atonement day the High Priest made a sacrifice and the blood was sprinkled on the Ark in the Holy of Holies. At that time all sins (under the altar) were forgiven.
The point is that God forgives once a year. Her forgives 70x7=490 years.

The 490 years is for nations that try to be a good servant.
But what if the nation doesn't serve well?
See the next post...

[thinktank]

This is about as symbolic as it gets. You'r now on my "hit list" ww.... :laughing7: -- :mshock:

[WhiteWings]

When does the (Sabbath/Jubilee) year start? Answer: Fall and spring. :umnick:

As you will see in this post the start of the year has changed since creation. One of the reasons is honor.thanks to God for leading the people to the promised land. I'm sure that change has a even bigger symbolic meaning. A meaning I unfortunately have no idea about. Yet...

A thought.
Adam was born on 1 Tishri. (very) likely a Jubilee year.
Everything was good and happy. Nice earth. No sin. No sickness. Stricktly speaking there was no Jubilee or or other festivals.
It's mainly Exodus and Leviticus that introduces them.
When Adam sinned he became a slave. He went into bondage. In a way he went to Egypt.
IMO God doesn't really care about the order or numbers of the months. For Him it's all about the (harvest) festivals. It's because the harvests are in certain months He changed the numbering. He could just as well saind that the year starts in the month of the barley harvest (first fruits).
The change was one of the first steps of revealing his plan of salvation. Before the Jews left Egypt they had their very first passover feast.
So God just aligned the months/festivals with His paln of salvation.
:dontknow:

[WhiteWings]

This is about as symbolic as it gets. You'r now on my "hit list" ww.... :laughing7: -- :mshock:

Yer on my too  :punish:
:icon_jokercolor:

[CHB]

All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

[Molly]

 :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

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[WhiteWings]

All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

Good you liked it. My way of studying is and always has been making summaries. About every book I own is full of highlights and notes.
This time I decided to use this forum as a notepad (because the forum needs much more activity)
Basically I'm reading 2(3) books at the same time. Cross-referencing them and add some bits Mr Goggle revealed to me. The summary of that I write down here. If something isn't clear just ask. (speaking  here as a student not as a teacher) Sometimes I have to edit losts of stuff in my messages because due to typos I don't understand what I wrote an hour ago :winkgrin:
Ok, time to start today's job. Summarize another 100 pages :bgdance:

[WhiteWings]

Defenition of terms

The author of one of the books I'm reading uses a few self invented namess for time periods.
Blessed time = 490 years --> 10 x 49 --> 10 Jubilees --> 70 weeks
Cursed time = 414 years --> 414+76=490  ==> 76 is the number of cleansing for nations.
Judged time = 434 years --> 62 x7 --> 62 weeks


God is love; so His standard time is love/Blessed time.
All other time is shortened for the benefit of makind.
Blessing is obvious for the benefit of mankind too.

Years are always nation related. On a personal level the patterns could play out in 490/434/414 days.

God's forgiveness is conditional

^EBRMatthew 18
21 Then, coming near, Peter said [to him]––Lord! how many times, shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until, seven, times?
22 Jesus saith to him––I say not unto thee, unto, seven, times, but, until seventy times seven.
23 For this cause, hath the kingdom of the heavens become like unto a man, a king, who wished to settle an account with his servants;
24 And, when he, began, to settle, there was brought unto him a, certain, debtor, of a thousand talents;
25 and, he, not having, wherewith to pay, the master ordered him to be sold, and the wife, and the children, and whatsoever he had,––and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore, falling down, began to do homage unto him, saying––Have patience with me, and, all, will I pay thee.
27 And, moved with compassion, the master of that servant released him, and, the loan, he, forgave, him.
28 But that servant, going out, found one of his fellow–servants, who owed him, a hundred denaries, and, laying hold of him, he began seizing him by the throat, saying, Pay! if anything thou owest.
29 His fellow servant, therefore, falling down, began beseeching him, saying, Have patience with me! And I will pay thee.
30 He, however, would not, but went away and cast him into prison,––until he should pay what was owing.
31 His fellow–servants, therefore, seeing, the things that were done, were grieved exceedingly,––and went and made quite plain to their master all the things which had been done.
32 Then, calling him near, his master saith unto him––O wicked servant! All that debt, forgave I thee, because thou didst beseech me.
33 Was it not binding, upon thee also, to have mercy upon thy fellow–servant, as, I also, on thee, had mercy?
34 And, provoked to anger, his master delivered him up to the torturers, until he should pay all that was owing.
35 Thus, my heavenly Father also, will do unto you, if ye forgive not each one his brother (trespasses), from your hearts.

In verse 27 the slave was forgivven. But in verse 34 the slave is in debt because he angered his master by not forgivving others.

But there is more in this parable about God and mankind.
In verse 22 Jesus mentions 70x7=490. On a personal level the 490 is not years but days.
The 10000 is about lots of sin. Not money. (God doesn't need money)
So we have  490 days of grace/blessed time to pay for the sin. After that God collects the (remaining) debt (the hard way).
Daniel's 70 weeks are about the times God forgives. (times = years/days)
The 70 weeks of Daniel are 490 years of blessed time.
But Daniel also mentions 62 weeks/434 years of Judged time.

[WhiteWings]

600BC Jerusalem was plunged into sin and God's "Blessed Time" ran out. God sent the Babylonian army to collect the debt.

Just like the servant in Jesus parable Jerusalem begged for mercy and got it.
But the mercy was conditional; they needed to release their servants (cancel their debts)
They did what God ordered and received their Jubilee (God cancelled their debts)....
^EBRJeremiah 34
8 The word which came unto Jeremiah, from Yahweh,––after that King Zedekiah had solemnised a covenant with all the people who were in Jerusalem, proclaiming unto them, liberty:
9 that every man should let his servant and every man his handmaid, being a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free,––so that no man should use them as slaves, to wit a Jew his brother;
10 so then they hearkened––even all the princes and all the people who had entered into the covenant, that every man should let his servant and every man his handmaid, go free, so as not to use them as slaves, any longer,––yea they hearkened, and let them go,

But once God got rid of the Babylonian army they captured the slaves again.

11 howbeit they turned, after that, and brought back the servants and the handmaids whom they had let go, free, and brought them into subjection as servants and as handmaids.

Just like in Jesus' parable God canceled His grace/Jubilee and sold the Jews into bondage for 70 years.
The 70 years the Jews (still) owned God.

Why 70 years? For what reason? I hope to make it clear in one of the following messages....
Sorry this becomes a numbers game as thread progresses. God just likes math. His law, grace and justice are all based on those numbers. I just could post a handfull of statements but nobody would really believe it because no proof is given. Unfortunately the proof lays in (dull) math and history.
But imo once the God's math is understood other things make more sense too.
I just don't see a way to present proof without some math....

[WhiteWings]

Judged Time

After 2 years in the desert the people should have entered the promised land. Instead of they sent spies that looked around for 40 days in the promised land. They didn't enter the land because they feared they could not beat the army of those who lived there. They disobeyed God's command by not entering the land. God punished them for that by letting them wander in the desert for 40 years. A year for each day they spied the land. So that's 40-2=38 year extra.
^EBRDeuteronomy 2
14 Now, the days in which we journeyed from Kadesh–barnea, as far as where we crossed the ravine of Zered, were thirty–eight years,––until all the generation of the men of war were consumed, out of the midst of the camp, as Yahweh had sworn unto them.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6029/israeljudged.gif)
As the picture shows two 434 year clocks of judged time started ticking.
During this time they didn't kept Sabbath and Jubilee years.
434/7=62 Sabbath years
434/49=8 Jubilee years.
They owned God 62+8=70 years of rest. Now it was time for God to collect the debt. But God had small problem:

^EBRExodus 30
12 When thou takest the sum of the sons of Israel, by their numberings, then shall they give, every man a propitiatory–covering for his soul to Yahweh, when they are numbered,––that there may be among them no plague, when they are numbered.
13 This, shall they give––every one that passeth over to them that have been numbered––a half–shekel, by the shekel of the sanctuary,––the shekel is, twenty gerahs––the half–shekel, shall be a heave–offering to Yahweh.

At the census of Moses they payed God protection money. God was bound by this agreement so couldn't lawfully punish the people. So He let David take another census. David made a mistake; he just started counting without collecting half a shekel for each person above 20 years old (verse 14).
As verse 12 shows taking a census without collecting the shekels gives God the right to send a plague.
^EBR2 Samuel 24
15 So Yahweh sent forth a pestilence throughout Israel, from the morning even unto the time appointed,––and there died of the people, from Dan even unto Beer–sheba, seventy thousand men.

Israel payed it's debt by 1000 lives for each year the land didn't rest.
The debts where paid now. Just like on a Jubilee everyone starts with a clean slate.
But because they weren't on Blessed Time but Judged time because their disobedience debts were collected.

[WhiteWings]

What about the 434 years that leads to Saul? That's a bit more complicated....
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3741/timeofsaulamalek.gif)
When Israel came out of Egypt they where attacked by Amalek. (Exodus 17:11-16)
38 years later Moses held a speech about Amalek. (Deuteronomy 25:17-19)
God put Amalek on Cursed Time. (414 years) If the nation repents they escape the cursed time. They didn't repent... So God ordered Saul to kill Agag the king of the Amalekites.

^EBR1 Samuel 15
3 Now, go and smite Amalek, and devote ye to destruction all that he hath, and spare him not,––but thou shalt slay both man and woman, both child and suckling, both ox and sheep, both camel and ass.
....
9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep and the oxen and the lambs, also the fatlings, and all that was good, and would not devote them to destruction,––but, all the cattle that was contemptible and diseased, that, devoted they to destruction.

Earlier in this thread I wrote that debts should be payed one way or another. If somebody else took care of the debt that was fine too. Agag had a debt to pay. The debt was his life. Saul spared Agag's life. That way Saul became Agag's redeemer and the debt was transfered to Saul. God collects His debts one way or another.

See also this verse where debt is transfered:
^EBR1 Kings 20
42 And he said unto him––Thus, saith Yahweh, Because thou (king Ahab) hast let go the man whom I had devoted, out of thy hand, therefore shall, thy life, be instead of, his life, and, thy people, instead of, his people.

So Saul had to die. Somehow not right away but 22 years later when he consulted the witch of Endor. At that moment Samuel told Saul he would die the next day for his disobedience. (1 Sam. 28:18). The next day he committed suicide after he lost a battle with the Philistines. That was 22 years after he should have killed Agag. King Ahab also died in his 22nd year. Both disobeyed. Both died in the 22nd year.
Judged Time - Cursed Time = 434-414=22. Why?
As I wrote Agag should have died; Saul spared him so the death penalty was transfered to Saul. But when Samuel found out Saul spared Agag:
^EBR1 Samuel 15
33 And Samuel said, As women have been made childless by thy sword, So, childless among women, shall be, thine own mother. And Samuel cut Agag asunder before Yahweh, in Gilgal.

So Agag was executed on the correct date after all. When Saul spared Agag he basically stepped in the 414 years of cursed time that where very close to expiring. When Samuel killed Agag Saul was transfered to the Judged Time. That gave him an extra 22 years. Judged time comes into effect when God's orders are carried out but to late.

So debts are always collected on time. One way or another.

[WhiteWings]

King Jehoiachin and transferring of dept

The story of Saul does not end here.
As explained in the previous post Saul died on Judged time. 434 years after Israel refused (12 spies) to enter Canaan. That score was settled when Saul died. But less than a day before he died he consulted a witch.

^EBRDeuteronomy 18
11 Or who bindeth with spells,––Or who asketh of a familiar spirit or an oracle, Or who seeketh unto the dead.
12 For, an abomination unto Yahweh, is everyone who doeth these things,––and, on account of these abominations, is Yahweh thy God dispossessing them from before thee.

The penalty is exile or death. Saul died the next day. Case closed? Nope. Saul was a king. Kings represent a whole nation. A day before Saul dies he puts his nation on a 414 year Cursed Time. 414 years later king king Jehoiachin pays the price by being deported. (597BC) (representing the whole nation)
--> 666 year later the Temple was destroyed (70AD)

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Joseph was sold as a slave to Egypt in the year 2217AA (After Adam). Israel went to Egypt 2238AA. In 2448AA Exodus begun.
1 Chron. 5:1-2 tells us that Joseph had the birth right (to become king). So he represents the nation.
That means Israel was in Egypt for 2448-2217=231 year.
231/7=33 Sabbath years they were not allowed to keep.
231/49=4 Sabbath years they were not allowed to keep.

So they owned God 37 years of rest. But because they were slaves their debt was transferred to their owner. Egypt.

King Jehoiachin spend 37 years in prison and paid that debt.

1] Israel was enslaved for 231 years and owns God a 37 year debt for not keeping the rest
2] Egypt owned the Israelites so teh debt is transferred to them
3] Solomon married the daughter of the Pharaoh. (1 Kings 7:8) -> A royal woman represents the nation.
4] At marriage the debt of a woman is transferred to the man. So now Solomon had the 37 year debt.
5] The debt transferred to Solomon's descendant king Jehoiachin.
6] Jehoiachin paid the 37 year debt of rest by being in prison for 37 years.
7] Jehoiachin also paid the debt for Saul's consulting a witch by being deported/exiled.

[WhiteWings]

Cardinal, your secret is out  :pointlaugh:

Jehoiachin was 37 years in prison during the 70 year captivity of Judah in Babylon. 37x70=2590 years.
That's 1994 AD.
At the end of that 37th cycle (Nov. 21-29, 1993) this long-term Babylonian captivity began to come to an end. At that time, a group representing the Overcomers was led specifically to declare an end to Babylon's rule. It was called the "Jubilee Prayer Campaign." We then saw a lunar eclipse the night of Nov. 28/29, a sign of Babylon's power eclipsed.

:cloud9: WOW......that was good.......and God. In the fall of '93, on my way back from a meeting in Niagara Falls, the Lord spoke to me at midnight, saying, "The priesthood is changing." I knew it signalled an end of something and the beginning of something new, a sort of "changing of the guard". Things have escalated in the Spirit every since, though our natural eyes might not perceive it, as He completes His plan of the ages. Blessings.....

At that time, a group
representing the Overcomers was led specifically to declare an end to Babylon's rule. It was called
the "Jubilee Prayer Campaign." We then saw a lunar eclipse the night of Nov. 28/29, a sign of
Babylon's power eclipsed.
The Jubilee Prayer Campaign brought Mystery Babylon to the divine court, where the
Overcomers appealed to God to end the earth's captivity. We understood this to be like the battle
of Jericho, which took seven days to overthrow. The people marched, and the priests blew rams'
horns until the city was taken on the seventh day. The Hebrew word translated "rams' horns" in
Joshua 6: 4, 5, 6, 8, and 13 is yobel, or "Jubilee." That is, the priests were, literally speaking,
blowing the Jubilee for those seven days of battle. The inhabitants of Jericho no doubt laughed at
the Israelites, for this was no way to lay siege to a city. They did not know that Israel was
conducting spiritual warfare. In the same manner, the Jubilee Prayer Campaign was actually
designed to be a seven-year campaign of spiritual warfare, leading to the end of the year 2000.
As for the results of this long prayer campaign, we leave this in the hands of God, who
alone knows the end from the beginning. If we assume precise timing, the seven years is
completed on November 29, 2000 A.D. The next day, November 30, is the precise end of the
seven years and six months transition from Saul to David (2 Samuel 5:5). Because Saul was
crowned on the day of wheat harvest, i.e., Pentecost (1 Samuel 12:17), he was a type of the
Church under Pentecost, while David was the Overcomer who received the promise of the
enduring dynasty to rule God's Kingdom. For this reason, these dates should be watched.

[jabcat]

All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

Good you liked it. My way of studying is and always has been making summaries. About every book I own is full of highlights and notes.
This time I decided to use this forum as a notepad (because the forum needs much more activity)
Basically I'm reading 2(3) books at the same time. Cross-referencing them and add some bits Mr Goggle revealed to me. The summary of that I write down here. If something isn't clear just ask. (speaking  here as a student not as a teacher) Sometimes I have to edit losts of stuff in my messages because due to typos I don't understand what I wrote an hour ago :winkgrin:
Ok, time to start today's job. Summarize another 100 pages :bgdance:

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

I pray that the Lord allows me to be here on this forum when the Holy Spirit illuminates WW with a hallelujah whoopie and glory!  :grin:

[thinktank]

Yeah that would be a great day, the angels sing over even one "unbeliever" that turns to Jesus.

The flesh is willing but the spirit is not   :happy3: