spiritual bodies

[micah7:9]

This verse is the only time we find "spiritual body" in the Word of God. (1 Cor.15:44) And we find that it is single, not plural as bodies. Still I would venture to say that most all ministers talk about man having or will have spiritual bodies in the hearafter or when we die.
There is also much talk of "spiritual beings"  definition of being a : the quality or state of having existence b (1) : something conceivable as existing (2) : something that actually exists....  Again there is no "spiritual being(s)" in the Bible, or even the word "being" used in the sense of (2) : something that actually exists 

1Co 15:44  it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;

BODY G4983  sōma  the body (as a sound whole) from  G4982 sōzō From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, "safe"); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.
This tells me that a body is sound..[.sound].. from dictionary (a : free from injury or disease b : free from flaw, defect, or decay) examples.....a building of sound construction ........The bridge is structurally sound.

I had accepted the teaching that we will have spiritual bodies at the resurrection.  Also I have always heard the phrase "spiritually dead"  and "spiritually alive"
as well as "alive in the spirit," and again I cannot find that teaching in those words in the Word of God. I reason that if there were "spiritual bodies" "spiritually dead" "spiritually alive" "die spiritually" that Paul would have taken the time to inform us of these sensations or phases, or changes. I do understand how we(man) and think that way, but Paul was pretty much first hand in the Good News teaching, he certainly knew of those words, I believe that Paul could have put them together to explain to the hears. He did not.
The verse in ICor.15:44 reads that mankind is sown(or began) a natural(sensitive that is, animate)
it is raised(aroused or awaken from sleep) spiritual(non-carnal) and we know from 1Co 15:45  so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, .....this verse tells me that when the natural body(first adam) will be raised a spiritual body(second adam.)

This all makes me reason and except that we do not recieve spiritual bodies when we die or when resurrected, that there is no  such thing as spiritually dead, except in christian religion teaching. This is what  my Bible reads,

Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 
2Ti 2:11  Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him:
I am open for instruction and reproof.

[Molly]

Sorry.  I don't follow your reasoning. :dontknow:


And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we
shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

--1 Cor 15:49

[micah7:9]

Sorry.  I don't follow your reasoning. :dontknow:


And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we
shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

--1 Cor 15:49

Yes you have that correct. I reason that religion as a whole, whatever denomination, has not understood that the "man of dust" as you say is "all" men, this is not an individual, but many members as Romans 12 and I Cor. 12 explain. Paul taught that
1Co 15:22  for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
Paul as well as Jesus spoke of ONE. Joh 10:30  I and the Father are one.'  And again, Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit...."
I have come to believe, reason, and understand that religion has disected, for what ever reason, the teachings of Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul to suit the earthy mind. And even we who seek the deeper things as the Lord leads, hold to this earthy natural thinking.....which births what we voice and concieve to be something I fear is nothing more that religion. Also it is seminary theologians who have have no idea of what that speak, or consider for they think carnal.

[micah7:9]

Aint God good!  And Im goin to bed, and Glory, God is still good! :grin:

[Taffy]

Also I have always heard the phrase "spiritually dead"  and "spiritually alive"
as well as "alive in the spirit," and again I cannot find that teaching in those words in the Word of God

:2c:

One can use DEATH literally or figuratively-  Do dead people really Bury DEAD people-- how is that so--?  :dontknow:

what of the Prodical son

Luk 15:21  And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22  But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23  And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24  For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

What of Christ HIMSELF--"I am the Resurrection and THE LIFE---- do you belive youve recieved HIM in YOU-? for mine we move from DEATH- to be carnally minded is DEATH, UNTO LIFE in HIM--- But I havent Literally died to be resurrected BY HIM---


Phl 3:9   And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:  


Phl 3:10   That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

TO KNOW HIM is LIFE ETERNAL?how can dead people believe in ANYTHING- for some say the DEAD know nothing[/b

Jhn 17:3   And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 

Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 


John makes this simple enough to understand-- :HeartThrob:

(Joh 14:6).To me if I'm living an sinful carnal life style then I'm spiritually dead without Christ. But if sin no longer has dominion over me then I'm spiritually alive in and through Christ, because Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life"

Blessings  :icon_flower:

[Molly]

As was the man
of dust , so also are those who are made of dust ; and
as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are
heavenly.
1 CORINTHIANS 15:47

[Taffy]

As was the man
of dust , so also are those who are made of dust ; and
as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are
heavenly.
1 CORINTHIANS 15:47

one FLESH the other SPIRIT  for OUR life is HID in HIM who is SPIRIT :icon_flower:

[Molly]

As was the man
of dust , so also are those who are made of dust ; and
as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are
heavenly.
1 CORINTHIANS 15:47

one FLESH the other SPIRIT  for OUR life is HID in HIM who is SPIRIT :icon_flower:

We who are as is the heavenly man are not made of dust.
  This is why the dust eater has nothing in us.  There's nothing for him to eat.

"The Prince Of This World Cometh: And He Hath Nothing In Me"

John 14:30 

[Nathan]

So . . . upon reading the original post . . . if there is no spiritual anything . . .what are you suggesting?  We're born, we live . . .we die . . .move on.  Is there any hope for us then? 

For me, just because you're not finding a literal reference in your Bible, does not mean the truth still isn't real.  Faith doesn't come by reading . . .but by hearing.

he that hath an ear . . . spiritual hearing . . .inward hearing . . .not something that can be filtered through the limited understanding of the minds of men.

[Molly]

The war is not spirit against flesh.  It's spirit against spirit.

Therefore, the carnal mind, being the flesh mind, is not even a player in the game.

It is dead.  It cannot vibrate against principalities, powers, heavenly rulers of the darkness of this age.  It cannot vibrate against spiritual wickedness in high places. It can only be used by such, and all its actions lead to death.


12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
--Rom 8

[thinktank]

Sorry.  I don't follow your reasoning. :dontknow:


And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we
shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

--1 Cor 15:49

Yes you have that correct. I reason that religion as a whole, whatever denomination, has not understood that the "man of dust" as you say is "all" men, this is not an individual, but many members as Romans 12 and I Cor. 12 explain. Paul taught that
1Co 15:22  for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
Paul as well as Jesus spoke of ONE. Joh 10:30  I and the Father are one.'  And again, Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit...."
I have come to believe, reason, and understand that religion has disected, for what ever reason, the teachings of Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul to suit the earthy mind. And even we who seek the deeper things as the Lord leads, hold to this earthy natural thinking.....which births what we voice and concieve to be something I fear is nothing more that religion. Also it is seminary theologians who have have no idea of what that speak, or consider for they think carnal.

If you are inclined to go that way, then that is your choice. However to say that others who do believe in a heavenly body are carnal, is short sighted and judgmental.

[Taffy]

The war is not spirit against flesh.  It's spirit against spirit.

Therefore, the carnal mind, being the flesh mind, is not even a player in the game.

It is dead.  It cannot vibrate against principalities, powers, heavenly rulers of the darkness of this age.  It cannot vibrate against spiritual wickedness in high places. It can only be used by such, and all its actions lead to death.


12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
--Rom 8

A Spirit is what Gives LIFE Molly - so when you have a THOUGHT , if you BIRTH it you give it LIFE-- that exists within the carnal Mind too - Blessings :icon_flower: MAYBE thats why some see this serpent as a spirit-- :dontknow:   :2c:

[Molly]

No.  Flesh cannot give life, it can only give death, it can only destroy.

The carnal mind is the flesh mind.  What is born of flesh is flesh.

Only Spirit can give life.  Spirit can also kill and destroy.

But we are like a simple instrument with an on/off switch.

When off, we are dead.

When on, we are Christ.

[Beloved Servant]

The war is not spirit against flesh.  It's spirit against spirit.

Therefore, the carnal mind, being the flesh mind, is not even a player in the game.

It is dead.  It cannot vibrate against principalities, powers, heavenly rulers of the darkness of this age.  It cannot vibrate against spiritual wickedness in high places. It can only be used by such, and all its actions lead to death.


12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
--Rom 8

A Spirit is what Gives LIFE Molly - so when you have a THOUGHT , if you BIRTH it you give it LIFE-- that exists within the carnal Mind too - Blessings :icon_flower: MAYBE thats why some see this serpent as a spirit-- :dontknow:   :2c:

...and some of those thoughts become GIANTS! in the land.     

[Taffy]

The war is not spirit against flesh.  It's spirit against spirit.

Therefore, the carnal mind, being the flesh mind, is not even a player in the game.

It is dead.  It cannot vibrate against principalities, powers, heavenly rulers of the darkness of this age.  It cannot vibrate against spiritual wickedness in high places. It can only be used by such, and all its actions lead to death.


12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
--Rom 8

A Spirit is what Gives LIFE Molly - so when you have a THOUGHT , if you BIRTH it you give it LIFE-- that exists within the carnal Mind too - Blessings :icon_flower: MAYBE thats why some see this serpent as a spirit-- :dontknow:   :2c:

...and some of those thoughts become GIANTS! in the land.   

:thumbsup:

[Beloved Servant]

I'm glad you're feeling OK Taffy.
God reigns.

[Taffy]

I'm glad you're feeling OK Taffy.
God reigns.

TY Micah- AMEN HE DOES- :HeartThrob:

[Beloved Servant]

We all need our own personal "flood" now and again!

[Taffy]

We all need our own personal "flood" now and again!

I pray HIS rivers flow through US all BRO  :icon_flower:

[micah7:9]

So . . . upon reading the original post . . . if there is no spiritual anything . . .what are you suggesting?  We're born, we live . . .we die . . .move on.  Is there any hope for us then? 

For me, just because you're not finding a literal reference in your Bible, does not mean the truth still isn't real.  Faith doesn't come by reading . . .but by hearing.

he that hath an ear . . . spiritual hearing . . .inward hearing . . .not something that can be filtered through the limited understanding of the minds of men.

My thought is why didnt Paul teach about "spiritual BODIES, spiritual DEATH, spiritually ALIVE," he certainly could have put those words together for people to understand. Ive heard them all my llife. I am not trying to say I dont believe in spiritual things, I do, but should it be a truth that when the Lord has brought all that He is going to bring to His beginning and end that we will have spiritual "bodies" why didnt SOMEBODY say it? Paul speaks only of a "natural BODY" and a "spiritual BODY" not more than one.

[Beloved Servant]

Notice that the River comes from the belly and not the head!

[Molly]

...but should it be a truth that when the Lord has brought all that He is going to bring to His beginning and end that we will have spiritual "bodies" why did SOMEBODY say it? Paul speaks only of a "natural BODY" and a "spiritual BODY" not more than one.

Are you saying that we are all part of either a natural body or a spiritual body?  How does that work?  There is only one body of which we all are a part?
So we each don't individually have a natural body or a spiritual body?

[micah7:9]

...but should it be a truth that when the Lord has brought all that He is going to bring to His beginning and end that we will have spiritual "bodies" why did SOMEBODY say it? Paul speaks only of a "natural BODY" and a "spiritual BODY" not more than one.

Are you saying that we are all part of either a natural body or a spiritual body?  How does that work?  There is only one body of which we all are a part?
So we each don't individually have a natural body or a spiritual body?

1Co 15:45  So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
How many Adams?
Rom 5:12  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned: -

[Molly]

...but should it be a truth that when the Lord has brought all that He is going to bring to His beginning and end that we will have spiritual "bodies" why did SOMEBODY say it? Paul speaks only of a "natural BODY" and a "spiritual BODY" not more than one.

Are you saying that we are all part of either a natural body or a spiritual body?  How does that work?  There is only one body of which we all are a part?
So we each don't individually have a natural body or a spiritual body?

1Co 15:45  So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
How many Adams?
Rom 5:12  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned: -

Yes, there are only two men.

So are you saying we either have the body of the one or the other?

[micah7:9]

Yes.