Serpent , Leviathan ,Dragon slain in the SEA?

[Taffy]

Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  :HeartThrob:

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.  :thumbsup:

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  :thumbdown:



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Who is  leviathan?

[micah7:9]

Rather what is levithan....perhaps a crocodile. I believe that Gen. 1:21 will give us a good study.....sea monsters. :2c:

[micah7:9]

Leviathan is the "fleeing (fugitive)" serpent as well.

[WhiteWings]

^YLTJob 26
13 By His Spirit the heavens He beautified, Formed hath His hand the fleeing serpent.

I think it's also conselation Draco (dragon)
The woman standing on the moon is the Virgo constelation. Also in Revelation is  a woman fleeing into the wildernes and the dragon casts water after her. Plus Jesus saying to follow the man with the pitcher (Aquarius). I wonder if these things are really about something or someone. They can also be seen as cosmic clock....

Levitan is something translators don't agree on

לויתן
livyâthân
BDB Definition:
1) leviathan, sea monster, dragon
1a) large aquatic animal
1b) perhaps the extinct dinosaur, plesiosaurus, exact meaning unknown

It might be one of those mystery creatures we discussed in another thread. Unicorn an bemoth.

Anyway I must admit I'm completely lost at the root word of Leviathan...
לוה
lâvâh
BDB Definition:
1) to join, be joined
1a) (Qal) to join, be joined, attend
1b) (Niphal) to join oneself to, be joined unto
2) to borrow, lend
2a) (Qal) to borrow
2b) (Hiphil) to cause to borrow, lend to

[Taffy]

Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down?

The sea with ships and Now a Tongue which needs Binding-? and Hook, sounds like Only the Lord can Catch[  A sea beast ?, all men are beasts likened to FISH who also Live in the SEA]  and Bind[  the tongue]  :icon_flower:

Leviathon is likened to the SERPENT raised in the wilderness ?
whos Leviathan?
PS WW
a Flood CAN BE  LIKENED TO  that of DEATH- ie when the  LORD Flooded the EARTH?  Just Maybe the SEA is a REALM of DEATH- The sea Give up the DEAD then there was NO MORE SEA? :icon_flower: also Just could the SEA beneath be the the OC [ also the realm of Death] the Sea ABOVE Named HEAVEN being the NEW C? :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

Jesus saying to follow the man with the pitcher

WELL- WHO IS The WATER OF THE WELL is the Pitcher of LIVING water-

ever read anything on the Mikvah WW- explains MUCH about WATER and Baptism  especially about JB .

A pitcher is a Clay POT , eartheN pot or flesh pot , HE IS THE LIVING WATER OF LIFE WITHIN]

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SO YES WW the PITCHER is a SOMEONE..  :icon_flower:

[WhiteWings]

SO YES WW the PITCHER is a SOMEONE..  :icon_flower:

Virgin=constellation Virgo=star sign=His mother=pinpointing the time of His birth.  ==> both a person and a time
same for Pitcher=Aquarius= etc ????

[Molly]

SO YES WW the PITCHER is a SOMEONE..  :icon_flower:

Virgin=constellation Virgo=star sign=His mother=pinpointing the time of His birth.  ==> both a person and a time
same for Pitcher=Aquarius= etc ????

Are you saying the constellations are going to be predicting something? like the time of his return?

[Taffy]

Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


just as Moses raised up THE SERPENT in the wilderness, so must THE SON OF MAN be raised up!!  our OLD MAN was crucified WITH HIM Our NATURE = Carnal mind Having DIED, NOW , REBORN  being RAISED with HIM :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Brass is Judgment, we are HIS feet of Brass[ Rev 1:5 & 2:18] [ HE paying the judgment due to US therefore TRUE judgment now is MERCY and compassion]

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived

The serpant of the Garden BIT [enchanted EVE- the POISON - lies of DEATH in the Tongue]

The Serpant NOW  HAVING being Judged is raised up where DEATH  no longer has POWER OVER LIFE-HENCE, - THAT IF a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived[/b]

It whY we are Given to STAND ON serpents[ TO BE CARNALLY MINDED is DEATH]

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy:[ The Tongue opf the Crnal MIND] and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

the Posion of the scorpion is the LIES in the TAIL

Isa 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he [is] the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he [is] the tail.


now the serpent is l;ikened to the devil, leviathan,and the DRAGON who is slain in the """""""""""SEA""""""""""""""""""""2 :icon_flower:


Pro 18:21 Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.  :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Whos Tongue Needed COOLING with"LIVING"" WATER--- His ToNgue  Burning in the TORMENTS of the""""""""""""""""""" GRAVE"""" ? WHAT iS He and what was HE PREACHING for HIS Tongue to be ON FIRE?

Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down?

[WhiteWings]

SO YES WW the PITCHER is a SOMEONE..  :icon_flower:

Virgin=constellation Virgo=star sign=His mother=pinpointing the time of His birth.  ==> both a person and a time
same for Pitcher=Aquarius= etc ????

Are you saying the constellations are going to be predicting something? like the time of his return?

Dunno it did for the birth of Jesus.
http://askelm.com/star/index.asp Chapther 4 and 3/5  down of chapther 5.
http://askelm.com/video/real/xmas_star.htm

The age of Aquarius starts in 2012 and lasts about 2000 years. If it's really a prediction I would expect a little more than just the man with the pitcher  :dontknow:

[peacemaker]

"There is no life without water."

peacemaker

[micah7:9]

"There is no life without water."

peacemaker

That statement friend is deep, and I reason that there is much to hear and find within that word.. ]"There is no life without water." :grin:

[Taffy]

tis a Shame this thread never concluded-  :sigh: poor leviathan remains playing in the ships----having his porr brains bashed in- tongue bound- drawn from the sea-- then just to be called a great dragon and burnt in some firely fabled pit---- what a Life egh :icon_flower:

[micah7:9]

Not be the pain that I am, BUT who is to say "tis a Shame this thread never concluded," (Taffy) but who is to say that the thread had not ended where it did...perhaps it was over.
Hey Taffy, I myself believe and thought the thread about that particular beast was very much a good post. But as I said how do we know that that was not where it stopped, it was the end(temporarly) let us go further and get more informed as to what this "great monster" is or was.
Gen 1:21  And God prepareth the great monsters (sea monster)

[Taffy]

Not be the pain that I am, BUT who is to say "tis a Shame this thread never concluded," (Taffy) but who is to say that the thread had not ended where it did...perhaps it was over.
Hey Taffy, I myself believe and thought the thread about that particular beast was very much a good post. But as I said how do we know that that was not where it stopped, it was the end(temporarly) let us go further and get more informed as to what this "great monster" is or was.
Gen 1:21  And God prepareth the great monsters (sea monster)

In the Main Micah we are speaking different languages-- so for the litralists-- ill give my two pennies come the LITERAL take-- excuse the sarcasm Micah--- its Not generally pointed to you But made to make a POINT--- so the crocodille with many scales is Leviathan who dwells upon the river banks of Africa, unlike the Aligator who rests mainly with the shores of the USA---there nasty little critters who eat anything.. kinda partial to MEAT of any form... not beasts to play with thats for sure---there not like Lambs , sheep ,calves in the stall, doves,goats, pigs, or any animal cloven at the hoof,lions, bears, bees,eagles, owls, wolves, raven or serpents or vipers,- there just good old literal BEASTS---youll find an illustration of them in any good comic books , similar to that Comic book written by Dante  about HELL--- BUT HELL FIRE is a LITERAL abode isnt it--where they BURN literal FOLK----?   

maybe we now know who that nasty little creature is---
Blessings :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

In  job Cptr 3 , he kinda begins to CURSE the day he was BORN ----   well who wouldnt being BORN of FLESH--

Job 3:8   Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.= [leviathan]  obviously he\others must have had a PET croc somewheres hidden within a Ship probably sunk in some DEEP SEA - :dontknow:
Psa 104:26   There go the ships: [there is] that leviathan, [whom] thou hast made to play therein.  -- yeah it coming together now Micah- its was a Ship which sunk in the sea where the sea monster croc was being compared to--

maybe we can have a Little poetic Licence> Let them CURSE it that CURSE the day , who are READY [in their deep sea GEAR] TO RAISE the Croc which had sunk in a ship[which  must have been by the stormy waters]  :dontknow:


Job 3:1  After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day. 


Job 3:2   And Job spake, and said, 


Job 3:3   Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night [in which] it was said, There is a man child conceived.  


Job 3:4   Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. 


Job 3:5   Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. 

Job 3:6   As [for] that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months. 


Job 3:7   Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein. 

Job 3:8   Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.  


If you ever go  Fishing catch us one of those GREAT sea Monsters Micah--- ill beat there Brains in-- as that all the scriptures say there good for , then feed  the  heads to those in the Desert who crawl in the DUST-- CAN YOU RECOMMEND any good BRAIN bashing , head chopping intrument bro-- ? :dontknow:

Psa 74:12   For God [is] my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

Psa 74:13   Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. 


Psa 74:14   Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. 


Psa 74:15   Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers   :icon_flower:

[Molly]

Job 3:8  Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.= [leviathan]  obviously he\others must have had a PET croc somewheres hidden within a Ship probably sunk in some DEEP SEA -

Interesting.

"mourning"

H3882
לויתן
livyâthân
liv-yaw-thawn'
From H3867; a wreathed animal, that is, a serpent (especially the crocodile or some other large sea monster); figuratively the constellation of the dragon; also as a symbol of Babylon: - leviathan, mourning.

Looks like the wreath has an ancient history.  A symbol of mourning, a symbol of death, relating to the serpent, also known as Satan,--Leviathan-- who brought death to man in the garden of God.  A wreath worn on the head of Christ,-- he who would conquer death by crushing the head of the beast.

Relating also to the constellation of the dragon.  There's some 25,000 year cycle concluding with that one in 2012.  How did these ancient peoples have so much knowledge about the stars?

Relating also to Babylon, the system of those who worship the dragon to this day, those who love death, as long as it is someone else's death.

Ok, I can only chew small pieces at a time.

[Taffy]

Job 3:8  Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.= [leviathan]  obviously he\others must have had a PET croc somewheres hidden within a Ship probably sunk in some DEEP SEA -

Interesting.

"mourning"

H3882
לויתן
livyâthân
liv-yaw-thawn'
From H3867; a wreathed animal, that is, a serpent (especially the crocodile or some other large sea monster); figuratively the constellation of the dragon; also as a symbol of Babylon: - leviathan, mourning.

Looks like the wreath has an ancient history.  A symbol of mourning, a symbol of death, relating to the serpent, also known as Satan,--Leviathan-- who brought death to man in the garden of God.  A wreath worn on the head of Christ,-- he who would conquer death by crushing the head of the beast.

Relating also to the constellation of the dragon.  There's some 25,000 year cycle concluding with that one in 2012.  How did these ancient peoples have so much knowledge about the stars?

Relating also to Babylon, the system of those who worship the dragon to this day, those who love death, as long as it is someone else's death.

Ok, I can only chew small pieces at a time.

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Molly one respects the translators efforts - BUT not even those Grasped the true Symbolism sister--- and when one doesnt-- they revert back to the Literal-- as thats all they have--

Blessings

[Taffy]

Isa 27:1 ¶ In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.  

Leviathan is again the Nature of the beast- Carnal MIND :sigh:


To slay means to slaughter-- put to death---but why would HE slay the DRAGON in the SEA?

what dwells in the sea? what that GREAT BEAST that comes from the SEA----

does Not the LORD seperate LIFE from DEATH? shown by the Two Covnants.. as The NIGHT which comes before the DAY--the DARKNESS which comes before the LIGHT?   we all KNOW the SEA ABOVE is HEAVEN--- which is likened to our minds in the NC--- its where LIFE is right?

so what of the SEA beneath? --the GREAT FLOOD which Drowned the WICKED----   what is The spiritual Reality of Jonah and THE GREAT FISH in the SEA?  why does the SEA like HADES give up the DEAD?  why did Christ Make FISHERMEN ""FISHERS OF MEN" shown by theM casting their net into the SEA from the RIGHT side of The BOAT IN the DAY when they CAUGHT FISH as In the NIGHT they caught NOTHING?  why does the LORD encourage Pater to WALK ABOVE the SEA where HE WAS WALKING? 

if the SEA above is the heavens known as the GREAT CITY which comes down to EARTH[ MY KINGDOM Come ON EARTH as it is in HEAVEN then heaven comes to EARTH?  WHAT DOES the SEA beneath represent?  we all know the meaning of WALKING in the HEAVENLIES---but what of the SEA and fish?

Again In Geneisis it notes the the two CS[ opps] I mean the two seas are seperated---- could the SEA beneath then represent the OLD C... bieng LIKENED to the Ministry of DEATH.. the ABODE of HADES= HELL? FOR some reason there always seems to be another witness---

so how does one RAISE from the sea Beneath being likened to fish[ man] who dwells in this similtude of Hades----? who has the POWER to raise the DEAD to LIFE? who has the POWER to rescue and catch the fish in the SEA... who has the POWER over such SEA beasts---who has the POWER to HOOK the Mouth and CLAMP the Tongue of death shown as the pHArisees andlikened to the RICHMAN\Lazarus= carnal mind who spoke it..ie they  WHO SIN with the DOOR of their LIPS-as Paul said his fathers who spoke from the TOMB-- = teaching the doctrine of DEATH?  who has POWER oover the PLACE of the Skull[ Golgotha] to raise the CARNAL minded dead from the depths of the SEA...
Death is the realm of the dead Likened to the SEA--- Christ lowered HIMSELF into our REALM slaying death with HIS LIFE---yes?

HOW LONG are we going to put the BLAME on some poor non existent entity for OUR DEATH? --when the LORD purposed it from the Beginning---- 

[Taffy]

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The lord riding upon a [YOUNG]ass- check out the root of this RED beast ------

ya reckon theres symbolism - another parable? :icon_flower:

[thinktank]

HOW LONG are we going to put the BLAME on some poor non existent entity for OUR DEATH? --when the LORD purposed it from the Beginning----

Taff

Don't get to palish with the devil, now Taff, or Stan the man, as you call him!.  :icon_jokercolor:  :happy3:

[Taffy]

HOW LONG are we going to put the BLAME on some poor non existent entity for OUR DEATH? --when the LORD purposed it from the Beginning----

Taff

Don't get to palish with the devil, now Taff, or Stan the man, as you call him!.  :icon_jokercolor:  :happy3:

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such is the OLD MAN Stan dead at  birth BRO


For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 


Rom 6:6   Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 

Rom 6:7   For he that is dead is freed from sin. 


Rom 6:8   Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:    :HeartThrob:

[thinktank]

Thanks to Jesus, he overcomes where we fail.

[Taffy]

Thanks to Jesus, he overcomes where we fail.

amen-- THE fall[ng came due to our nature designed from the off which WE can now call Stan the MAN- The sarx Man his COAT made of SKIN- :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope

Hey TT- where the old satan part In this---  The creature  US made subject toVANITY-- void of TRUTH?  where art thou ADAM?  he says  hes Hidding[ LOST] having been made subject to vanity---  HES dead to the TRUTH.. one who needs to be MADE awake---

The serpent is within our MIND--- the curse upon it was to remain in the EARTHLY realm= Literal - crawling uopn its BELLY= MIND feeding off others who were\dead dead = those who remain in the DUST- Trusting in EARTHlY wisdom- NOT able TO RAISE to another LEVEL bro--- :HeartThrob:

tis why the Old dragon keeps getting cast back to ths DEAD realm= EARTH---- this is The DOMAIN which he dwells... Until hes Consumed BY fire--- :HeartThrob: