Satan really is Moses

[kingdom chaser]

But in keeping with this particular thread, "if" Satan is as you say he is in that he is a "real" (which no one is saying satan isn't "real, we're just saying we ALL have the potential to be him through our carnality) entity, then why would a spirit desire to have natural bones?  How could a spirit not know where these natural bones are?  And for that matter, if Satan is this real entity, then apparently he's omni-present  . .same as God?  Because a lot of Christians seem to be proclaiming he's everywhere all the time.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: There is a mystery there......

[kingdom chaser]

ah . . only if you try to put satan as a literal spirit being with Moses "literal' bones . . .but if you look at it dimensionally, it becomes a carnal force at work attempting to use the foundation of law against the saints to hold them in religious bondage.  And this is what Jesus overcame . . .there are only two laws that are truly at work within us . . .loving God and loving each other.

[jabcat]

Jesus speaking to Paul, recorded in Acts 26 -  18 'Who art Thou, Lord?' Now the Lord said, 'I am Jesus, Whom you are persecuting.
16 But rise and stand on your feet, for I was seen by you for this, to fix upon you before for a deputy and a witness both of what you have perceived and that in which I will be seen by you,
17 extricating you from the people and from the nations, to whom I am commissioning you,
18 to open their eyes, to turn them about from darkness to light and from the authority of Satan to God, for them to get a pardon of sins and an allotment among those who have been hallowed by faith that is in Me.'

[Taffy]

Jesus speaking to Paul, recorded in Acts 26 -  18 'Who art Thou, Lord?' Now the Lord said, 'I am Jesus, Whom you are persecuting.
16 But rise and stand on your feet, for I was seen by you for this, to fix upon you before for a deputy and a witness both of what you have perceived and that in which I will be seen by you,
17 extricating you from the people and from the nations, to whom I am commissioning you,
18 to open their eyes, to turn them about from darkness to light and from the authority of Satan to God, for them to get a pardon of sins and an allotment among those who have been hallowed by faith that is in Me.'

HI James :icon_flower:

The LORD  having Cleansed the PRIDE in the LAW [ Ministry of DEATH]-  HAVING HIS Blindness removed =Scales [ PRIDE]by eyesalve ,once Holding  Paul in captivity, repeating his experience -

The[ Body of Moses] shown once again to be Oppossing THE reality of Christ and the NC- :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

Darkness being the Absence of LIGHT even those being the Gentiles- Darkness being in Opposition to LIGHT - that which opposses

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[jabcat]

Hi Taf.  Read that scrip when I got up, thought it a pertinent one.  I didn't give any comment, folk will get out of it based on where they are on the road at the time.  May be helpful.    :bigGrin: 

[micah7:9]

"Darkness being the Absence of LIGHT even those being the Gentiles- Darkness being in Opposition to LIGHT - that which opposses"
Your depth is deep. What did you say?

[Nathan]

"Darkness being the Absence of LIGHT even those being the Gentiles- Darkness being in Opposition to LIGHT - that which opposses"
Your depth is deep. What did you say?

Levitical law opposes the order of Malchezadek . . . it had to be removed before the other could become established.  Flesh opposes spirit . . .we are spirit beings manifesting in bodies of flesh . . .we contain the clashing to two climates.  we are both a cold front and a warm front, a high pressure and a low pressure.  The law in our flesh constantly stands at opposition to the laws of the spirit.  The Moses in us is in constant conflict with the Good Shepherd in us . . .

It's all dimensional . . .ya just gotta step back and lay your head down so your heart can see it.

[Molly]

"Darkness being the Absence of LIGHT even those being the Gentiles- Darkness being in Opposition to LIGHT - that which opposses"
Your depth is deep. What did you say?

Levitical law opposes the order of Malchezadek . . . it had to be removed before the other could become established.  Flesh opposes spirit . . .we are spirit beings manifesting in bodies of flesh . . .we contain the clashing to two climates.  we are both a cold front and a warm front, a high pressure and a low pressure.  The law in our flesh constantly stands at opposition to the laws of the spirit.  The Moses in us is in constant conflict with the Good Shepherd in us . . .

It's all dimensional . . .ya just gotta step back and lay your head down so your heart can see it.

Levitical law does not oppose the order of Melchizedek in the sense of two equal and opposite things.  One is operating in a transitory realm, the other in eternal realm, so the point of view is different.  One leads to death, the other to eternal life.  When the law is brought into the carnal realm, it is degraded.  They are not in the same realm, until Jesus unifies them.

Traducer means to libel.  The latin--to lead astray in transference.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
--Mat 23




Latin traducere to lead across, transfer, degrade, from tra-, trans- trans- + ducere to lead — more at tow
First Known Use: 1573

[Taffy]

"Darkness being the Absence of LIGHT even those being the Gentiles- Darkness being in Opposition to LIGHT - that which opposses"
Your depth is deep. What did you say?

Levitical law opposes the order of Malchezadek . . . it had to be removed before the other could become established.  Flesh opposes spirit . . .we are spirit beings manifesting in bodies of flesh . . .we contain the clashing to two climates.  we are both a cold front and a warm front, a high pressure and a low pressure.  The law in our flesh constantly stands at opposition to the laws of the spirit.  The Moses in us is in constant conflict with the Good Shepherd in us . . .

It's all dimensional . . .ya just gotta step back and lay your head down so your heart can see it.

Levitical law does not oppose the order of Melchizedek in the sense of two equal and opposite things.  One is operating in a transitory realm, the other in eternal realm, so the point of view is different.  One leads to death, the other to eternal life.  When the law is brought into the carnal realm, it is degraded.  They are not in the same realm, until Jesus unifies them.

Traducer means to libel.  The latin--to lead astray in transference.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
--Mat 23




Latin traducere to lead across, transfer, degrade, from tra-, trans- trans- + ducere to lead — more at tow
First Known Use: 1573

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Such is the  dimentional factor Molly :icon_flower:

prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely

a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

2) metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him

SLANDER
a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name. :icon_flower:

[Molly]

Such is the  dimentional factor Molly

Yes, but what does it mean?  Don't you think that when the law is translated by fallen man into this fallen world, it loses its key components, as Jesus said, justice, mercy, and faith?

Those making the law, those keeping the law, consider themselves already justified.  Hitler broke no laws.  If he needed a law to do something awful, he just made one.  This is happening today.  Soon, our first ten amendments will be against the law at the rate we're going.  But those who hold the law above the spiritual qualities of God--justice, mercy, and faith--accuse God, accuse the brethren, and make themselves god.

It's  the oldest trick in the book--started by Satan in the garden--did God really say...?  Using the law to murder instead of to bring life.  Remember, the scribes and Pharisees were lawyers.


14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.


--Mat 23


I'm sure they took the widows' houses legally, just like they do today. :mblush:

[Nathan]

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I've gotten lost in this argument . . .
Are you saying Molly, that the law is in harmony with Malchezidek order?

[Taffy]

:dontknow:
I've gotten lost in this argument . . .
Are you saying Molly, that the law is in harmony with Malchezidek order?

No argument Nathan - just a different perspective :icon_flower:

[Molly]

:dontknow:
I've gotten lost in this argument . . .
Are you saying Molly, that the law is in harmony with Malchezidek order?

Yes, that it should be, and that it is under Christ.

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

--Mat 5

[Taffy]

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One admits Molly Im kinda lost too with what you posted :dontknow:

[Molly]

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One admits Molly Im kinda lost too with what you posted :dontknow:

well, you say that moses is satan because the law accuses and leads to death, right?

And, I am saying, Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.  In other words, God's law is not meant to be used the way it is used in the hands of those who worship satan.  Or you explain to me what Jesus meant, if it is something different.  How did he fulfill the law?  Their law put an innocent man to death [as it so often does day in and day out].  In other words, they worship law, and the rule of law, not God.


John 15:25
But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

[Taffy]

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One admits Molly Im kinda lost too with what you posted :dontknow:

well, you say that moses is satan because the law accuses and leads to death, right?

And, I am saying, Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.  In other words, God's law is not meant to be used the way it is used in the hands of those who worship satan.  Or you explain to me what Jesus meant, if it is something different.  How did he fulfill the law?  Their law put an innocent man to death [as it so often does day in and day out].  In other words, they worship law, and the rule of law, not God.


John 15:25
But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

well, you say that moses is satan because the law accuses and leads to death, right?

No Molly thats The Title of the Tread -written that way to Intice some to read- :icon_flower:
We  are speaking of the BODY of moses and its representation, Nathan expounded it plianly one could add no more to it, That which accuses , being likened to the Ministry of DEATH

As I dont see satan as an entity, but  Moses  being One - then How can Moses Be a Literal satan?

The inherent Nature we are born with, that Being the Enmity of the Carnal Mind is the adversay of the LIFE were are inherting - again Molly the term adversary is Dimentional in its usage :icon_flower:

And, I am saying, Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.   .

Amen Molly -The Royal Law fulfilled within - as others have been explaining on the Battle of the Flesh Thread 

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[Molly]

well, ok, let's look at it from another angle then.

Thou shalt not kill.

That is one of the laws of God.  Is this contrary to the order of Melchizedek?  I would say no.

It doesn't seem so to me.

But, man has put all his caveats in, except in cases of war, pre-emptive war, state sponsored death penalty, self defense, etc.

So now according to law there are cases where I can kill.

So here is a law which man has messed around with it until it does lead literally to death and the law is thou shalt not kill.

So which is wrong--the law or man's interpretation of the law or neither?

We would chuckle, if it were not so sad, at the idea of man putting God to death for blasphemy.


Matthew 26:65
the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

[Taffy]

 
Mat 5:21 :icon_flower:

Molly - Of course men within their Enmity have" what you call played around with it" so mankind is reaping the results" - It mans Inherent Nature -that which is adverse\opposses HIM :icon_flower:
Mans Nature being the BEAST likened to SATAN :icon_flower:

Theres No Blaming the Serpent OR a so called entity named Satan -Eve Blamed the Serpent, Adam Eve - ITS our Nature within  [ Carnality]which is at Fault - Nobody else -:icon_flower:

[Molly]

Mat 5:21 :icon_flower:

Molly - Of course men within their Enmity have" what you call played around with it" so mankind is reaping the results" - It mans Inherent Nature -that which is adverse\opposses HIM :icon_flower:
Mans Nature being the BEAST likened to SATAN :icon_flower:

Theres No Blaming the Serpent OR a so called entity named Satan -Eve Blamed the Serpent, Adam Eve - ITS our Nature within  [ Carnality]which is at Fault - NOTHING ELSE :icon_flower:

See, I just don't agree with that.

I have no desire to bilk widows out of their homes for my own power and aggrandizement, and pretend its the law,  but these men did.

This is a group who both Jesus and John the Baptist calls Vipers, hypocrites [actors], snakes, den of theives.  He tells them their father is the devil.

These are the men who held a trial [the law] at midnight and broke every rule in the book for their own benefit--they make the law, and as such, [like God, they think], they are therefore above the law.  This attitude abounds today, and its not coming from me. 

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
--Mat 23

[Taffy]

Mat 5:21 :icon_flower:

Molly - Of course men within their Enmity have" what you call played around with it" so mankind is reaping the results" - It mans Inherent Nature -that which is adverse\opposses HIM :icon_flower:
Mans Nature being the BEAST likened to SATAN :icon_flower:

Theres No Blaming the Serpent OR a so called entity named Satan -Eve Blamed the Serpent, Adam Eve - ITS our Nature within  [ Carnality]which is at Fault - NOTHING ELSE :icon_flower:

See, I just don't agree with that.

I have no desire to bilk widows out of their homes for my own power and aggrandizement, and pretend its the law,  but these men did.

This is a group who both Jesus and John the Baptist calls Vipers, hypocrites [actors], snakes, den of theives.  He tells them their father is the devil.

These are the men who held a trial [the law] at midnight and broke every rule in the book for their own benefit--they make the law, and as such, [like God, they think], they are therefore above the law.  This attitude abounds today, and its not coming from me. 

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
--Mat 23

Molly - thiis post bears witness to all ive been given to share- :icon_flower:

Blessings

[Molly]

Ok, well I'm just saying that it is not the Law of God as given by Moses that is the problem,  or at odds with Melchizedek, it is the implementation of it by certain men who worship Satan.  My  :2c:



Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

--Rom 13

[WhiteWings]

For me it's simple.
Jesus didn't came to do away with the law and/or works.
He came to do away with what was added.

The priests were nothing but a police force. (the Romans even allowed them to keep that authority) They were supposed to uphold the law as intended by God.
But they added all kind of stuff and regulations. The part that Jesus was about to destroy.
And because now everyone has the law written on their heart everyone knows what the priests/police knew.
Jesus did away with the priests and their false laws.

The (letter of the law) does not kill. It saves. It's simple; the laws came from God. There is no way God is gonna punish someone for keeping His own laws. That's like saying His own laws are flawed.
The law saves but manmade additions kill.
And manmade priority. Jesus healing the sick and the pulling the animal out of the ditch proves that. Jesus wasn't promoting breaking Fathers sabbath command as often as possible. He was showing that the "love your neigbor" command overrules the rest on Sabbath command.

Even knowing I'm alone in this, it's my view :2c:

[Taffy]

But they added all kind of stuff and regulations :icon_flower: