Satan really is Moses

[Taffy]

 Satan[ one who opposes another[/b]] ,

The LAW accuses while Christ Rebukes :icon_flower:

Mar 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Mar 15:3 And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.

Luk 23:10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.


Was Paul accused by the LAW and its Judgment now an Apostle- well Indeed he was and who accused  him ?
Act 26:1  Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Thou art permitted to speak for thyself. Then Paul stretched forth the hand, and answered for himself: 


Act 26:2   I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof""""" I am accused of the Jews: """



We all Know Christ called Peter Satan , well Now its Moses Turn

Rev 12:9   And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was

Rev 12:10   And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the """accuser of our brethren is cast down,"" which"" accused them before our God day and night. """   Rev 12:11   And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


The BODY of MOSES is the Law of Judgment which accuses - Heres Moses- the representation of the law

Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

Revelation is LAW v Grace and TRUTH- just ponder its theTestimony of Christ who spent his ministry speaking to HIS kin folk around the sea of Galilie-

why on earth come LOGIC would this Differ within HIS Testimony :mshock:




This for those who Like scripture and nothing but scripture  :icon_flower:
Be Blessed :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

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Its seems this Time about Satan is Now Rezon-  and why is it  we never see the Satan accused but only Rebuked - Put right- Isee no where In Revelation where the adversary is JUDGED[ AS under law]- even to be CAST INTO the Lakeof Fire- the word Ballo can mean Poured into a river- For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity

1Ki 11:23  And God stirred him up [another] adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:


1Ki 11:24 And he gathered men unto him, and became captain over a band, when David slew them [of Zobah]: and they went to Damascus, and dwelt therein, and reigned in Damascus.


1Ki 11:25 And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the mischief that Hadad [did]: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria.

yet another SATAN

1Ki 11:14 And the LORD3068 stirred up6965 an adversary7854 unto Solomon8010, Hadad1908 the Edomite130: he [was] of the king's4428 seed2233 in Edom123

Personally I can see that the adversary  being nature of the Beast - the carnal Mind being satan - anything that oposses HIS will and Intent BUT also Used to Bring forth HIS purpose AS wiith the destruction of the Flesh :icon_flower:-

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[micah7:9]

"Personally I can see that the adversary  being nature of the Beast - the carnal Mind being satan -" Taffy

If this is true then Luk 4:8  And Jesus answering him said, `Get thee behind me, Adversary, for it hath been written, Thou shalt bow before the Lord thy God, and Him only thou shalt serve.'
Jesus was responding to Peter... Jesus was  talking to himself?
For if the carnal mind is satan(adversary) who else was Jesus speaking to? Peter was/is not satan, is he?

" For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity" Taffy

That is a truth! Amen! We need to give the Lord God credit when credit is do.
Isa 45:7  Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

[Taffy]

"Personally I can see that the adversary  being nature of the Beast - the carnal Mind being satan -" Taffy

If this is true then Luk 4:8  And Jesus answering him said, `Get thee behind me, Adversary, for it hath been written, Thou shalt bow before the Lord thy God, and Him only thou shalt serve.'
Jesus was responding to Peter... Jesus was  talking to himself?
For if the carnal mind is satan(adversary) who else was Jesus speaking to? Peter was/is not satan, is he?

" For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity" Taffy

That is a truth! Amen! We need to give the Lord God credit when credit is do.
Isa 45:7  Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

If you going to quote me Micah please add it ALL :icon_flower:

anything that oposses HIS will and Intent BUT also Used to Bring forth HIS purpose AS wiith the destruction of the Flesh he also uses such adversity to bring  Purify to the Greater -  - we are all  are TESTEDas with  Job [ who was Righteous and NOT self Righteous as some believe ] and the Lord show us By example-

Firstly theres NOTHING you say in  refute of Moses Being satan - :icon_flower: but this guys still an entity right?

did you Notice the LORD STIRS up within - which to happened to be satan - but again No comment - or rezon -?

can you comment on these first before we continue
Thanks? :icon_flower:

[micah7:9]

"anything that oposses HIS will and Intent BUT also Used to Bring forth HIS purpose AS wiith the destruction of the Flesh he also uses such adversity to bring  Purify to the Greater -  - we are all  are TESTEDas with  Job [ who was Righteous and NOT self Righteous as some believe ] and the Lord show us By example-" Taffy   I had nothing do disagree with on this part of your quote sorry for not using the space.

Moses is not and was not the adversary or satan as you say.

"but this guys still an entity right?" Taffy

No.

"did you Notice the LORD STIRS up within - which to happened to be satan...: Taffy  I Dont understand this.

Rezon.......You got me here, I dont know anything about rezon except for sports and fiddle bows. :sigh:

[Taffy]

"anything that oposses HIS will and Intent BUT also Used to Bring forth HIS purpose AS wiith the destruction of the Flesh he also uses such adversity to bring  Purify to the Greater -  - we are all  are TESTEDas with  Job [ who was Righteous and NOT self Righteous as some believe ] and the Lord show us By example-" Taffy   I had nothing do disagree with on this part of your quote sorry for not using the space.

Moses is not and was not the adversary or satan as you say.

"but this guys still an entity right?" Taffy

No.

"did you Notice the LORD STIRS up within - which to happened to be satan...: Taffy  I Dont understand this.

Rezon.......You got me here, I dont know anything about rezon except for sports and fiddle bows. :sigh:

Micah
ya kinda talking in Riddles Bud  - Im not going to Contend with you Friend - believe what you will

Maybe Just digest whats been said check the scripps posted opposed to assuming - I generally mean this with Good Intent :icon_flower:

Every Blessings :icon_flower:

[micah7:9]

 :dontknow:  I answered what I understood of your riddles, and I throw the bad food out rather than digest it. As for contending....as you wish.         
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Taffy]

:dontknow:  I answered what I understood of your riddles, and I throw the bad food out rather than digest it. As for contending....as you wish.         
Peace and Love Through Jesus

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[thinktank]

O cmon, I know Moses might seem a bit hard hearted, but to call him Satan that's just taking things over board  :Sparkletooth:

[Taffy]

O cmon, I know Moses might seem a bit hard hearted, but to call him Satan that's just taking things over board  :Sparkletooth:

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Moses Being the BODY of Moses being the LAW \ Judgment ie SIN of the FLESH,  , tis why the scripture mentions ITS MOSES that accuses YOU not I-

The BODY of Moses is what accuses , this is the adversary written in Revelation which NO LONGER has Power OVER DEATH Death , THEREFORE IS CAST OUT" Through the Power of the Cross :icon_flower:

[micah7:9]

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Its seems this Time about Satan is Now Rezon-  and why is it  we never see the Satan accused but only Rebuked - Put right- Isee no where In Revelation where the adversary is JUDGED[ AS under law]- even to be CAST INTO the Lakeof Fire- the word Ballo can mean Poured into a river- For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity

1Ki 11:23  And God stirred him up [another] adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:


1Ki 11:24 And he gathered men unto him, and became captain over a band, when David slew them [of Zobah]: and they went to Damascus, and dwelt therein, and reigned in Damascus.


1Ki 11:25 And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the mischief that Hadad [did]: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria.

yet another SATAN

1Ki 11:14 And the LORD3068 stirred up6965 an adversary7854 unto Solomon8010, Hadad1908 the Edomite130: he [was] of the king's4428 seed2233 in Edom123

Personally I can see that the adversary  being nature of the Beast - the carnal Mind being satan - anything that oposses HIS will and Intent BUT also Used to Bring forth HIS purpose AS wiith the destruction of the Flesh :icon_flower:-

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Okay let me get this straight. You are saying because the word "adversary" means "satan" in the Hebrew or that the word satan in the KJV means satan, opponent; adversary) that this Rizon becomes satan(adversary?) What about Num. 22:22, ISam.29:4, I Kings 5:4?
You do know why we are called satan by the terrorists it is because we are considered their adversary and opponent. So is America satan/adversary and the accuser?

[Taffy]

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Im not saying THE SRIPTURES ARE- :icon_flower:

and for the Other three scripts Thanks very Much for furthering  the Point :icon_flower:

Satan[ one who opposes another

Ya coming from a Linear perspective Micah :icon_flower:

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[micah7:9]

Should I have furthered anything more it was not for your built assumption.  :sigh: :mshock:

[thinktank]

Its seems this Time about Satan is Now Rezon-  and why is it  we never see the Satan accused but only Rebuked - Put right- Isee no where In Revelation where the adversary is JUDGED[ AS under law]- even to be CAST INTO the Lakeof Fire- the word Ballo can mean Poured into a river- For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity
Taffy

Remember that the term Devil is simply a generic term, similar to God, it is a title. But if you read the scriptures you will notice there are 3 Gods, unless you hate the three, but still you would have 2 Gods, who function together as God.

So the devil would have angels, powers and demons under him, together all these forces are the devil, the adversary to God and his people, but there is only one serpent, who is cursed above all cattle, the leader of cattle, the leader of fallen angels, God sends destroying angels to punish the wicked, either these angels are his holy angels, or they are the fallen angels that he uses for his purpose.

The scripture says that we will judge angels? Why judge angels if they did not beak the law?
The scipture also says that the charged the angels with folly, the heavens are not clean in his sight.

[Taffy]

Its seems this Time about Satan is Now Rezon-  and why is it  we never see the Satan accused but only Rebuked - Put right- Isee no where In Revelation where the adversary is JUDGED[ AS under law]- even to be CAST INTO the Lakeof Fire- the word Ballo can mean Poured into a river- For mine THE LORD can use the adversity tto bring about HIS purpose as he Did with JOB - but again for mine ALL HIS his work NOT satan as an entity
Taffy

Remember that the term Devil is simply a generic term, similar to God, it is a title. But if you read the scriptures you will notice there are 3 Gods, unless you hate the three, but still you would have 2 Gods, who function together as God.

So the devil would have angels, powers and demons under him, together all these forces are the devil, the adversary to God and his people, but there is only one serpent, who is cursed above all cattle, the leader of cattle, the leader of fallen angels, God sends destroying angels to punish the wicked, either these angels are his holy angels, or they are the fallen angels that he uses for his purpose.

The scripture says that we will judge angels? Why judge angels if they did not beak the law?
The scipture also says that the charged the angels with folly, the heavens are not clean in his sight.

Remember that the term Devil is simply a generic term, similar to God, it is a title. 

a Name gives definition to Its nature - -- the Nature of satan is adversity - one who opposes another-


The word Aggelos imbibes MORE the celestrial Biengs- Paul and JB were noted as ANGELS- angels are Purely MESSENGERS- thats what IT MEANS- you May find the aggelos we Judge[ In righteous judgment ] are Men-

[thinktank]

I do not deny that there is a mixture and confusion over the term angels, signifying supernatural beings of light and Angels as in messangers, whether they be men or spirit men or resurected men. I for one beleive there are supernatural angels such as Gabriel, but also see that sometimes the word angel could be used to signify resurected saints, or men who are no longer technically men because they are now living in heaven and have bodies similar to angels, so they look like them and are given the same title as them in certain scriptures.

[Nathan]

Interesting conversation you guys have going on here . . . just coming into this one, what it appears to me is, several individuals from "different" perspectives trying to describe the undescribable.  It may help to first understand that Taffy seems to be speaking on dimensional terms rather than litteral. 

This principle or nature of explanation seems to always trip people up the most.  The only way to see it spiritually is to let go of trying to enforce it literally.  My mind operates in this realm through logic and reason.  That's what it was created to do.  But the hurdle comes when we enter into the things in the spirit and attempt to assert the same rules of operation from "this" realm and apply them in the Spirit realm.  Jesus lived in this principle. 

In fact, for the first segment of his ministry, it was all about explaining what the kingdom was like.  Why would he have to do that?  Because the principles through which the kingdom operates is not the same principles through which our natural realm operates.  We can't blend one into the other and we can't even "see" into the one while still embracing the other. 

We all have veils that blind us from the invisible things around us.  And proof of our understanding of the facts isn't what unlocks the kingdom in us.  Submission and faith, however, are likened to the law and the prophets.  With the combination of the two, truth pours out and life births through and out of us with little or no effort on our part.

I suppose it may be easier to see what Taffy's sharing if we'd say "in a sense" Moses is satan.  The name "moses" literally means "to draw out".  He was named that because of the way he was discovered as a baby floating down the river.  He was "drawn out" which is the perspective the mother had when he was discovered.  But God had other plans and uses for that name.  God would use him to draw out a nation in bondage to a become a great nation in freedom.

And in doing so, Moses was his tool he used to establish a nation of law.  Becasue he was the one that introduced law to an entire nation, that became his identity.  which again is why we see him reappear at the mount of transfiguration.  Moses and Elijah weren't there just because they were close friends with Jesus.  Everything is done with purpose, on purpose.  Everything Jesus said was in parables.  It ALWAYS had more than one meaning.  It frustrated those who were vaguely familiar with his teachings, those who wanted to see him dead, and those who were the closest to him. 

He always use natural experiences to illuminate spiritual truths.  Moses wasn't just a man, it's what he represented that God was declaring and proclaiming.  Do you realize that when Israel lost the ark in battle and finally got it back, that when they did get it back, it was never the same?  Before they lost it, they had all of the elements in it.  But when they got it back, two of the three elements were missing.  The elements are the very natures of the fullness of God. 

The law through the two tablets of 10 commandments, the prophets through Aaron's rod that budded, and the daily bread of manna.  But when they lost the ark, they lost the daily bread and they lost the life in the rod that budded, the spiritual breath . . .all they had left was cold, stone law.  But the mount of transfiguration happened so that we'd see God was bringing a healing to that which was lost.  He was restoring the fullness of his presence to his people through what was about to transpire with Jesus.  What was it they were speaking amongst themselves about?  Not just his death and burial, but also his resurrection.  They were returning all three elements back to their rightful place in the purpose of God to men . . crap . .break is over, I gotta go back to work.

[Nathan]

So if Moses represented the law being restored as part of God's whole nature on the mount of transfiguration then is it any wonder that the body of Moses would be connected to that same picture?  The body of Moses . . .the skeletal remains . . .the framework of laws foundation.  The adversary desires to have it.  Everyone is so busy arguing the issue over the generations, but is anyone asking the right questions surrounding it?

According to traditional thinking, is or isn't Satan a spiritual entity?  Is he a spirit or not?  I believe the majority would be adamant in saying he is.  All right then, let's say he is.  Are the bones of Moses spiritual?  Or are they natural?  What bones are we talking about?  IF there is a literal satan and IF he lilterally fought with an angel to try to get them, what in the world does satan want to do with the skeletal remains of ANYONE???  What would an evil spirit have to do with a pile of dead bones . . literal bones?  And IF this same satan is truly a spirit entity . . .where was he when Moses died?  How could he not know what God did with Moses body?  And for that matter . . .. why is Moses the ONLY human being that God buried? 

Why didn't God bury Abraham?  Why is there no record that God buried Adam?  Solomon was the most blessed by God . . .where was God when he died?  Why Moses?  Why not David??  Seriously, if we want to preach this literally, why aren't we asking those questions?

For me, it all goes back to parables.  We are all living parables.  God uses men and men's experiences as examples, as principles that display his nature in all things.  It wasn't literal bones anymore than it was a literal satan.  It's all a spiritual picture of the power of carnality desiring to use the framework of God's law against us to keep us in confusion, judgment and bondage.  The reason for me why God buried Moses is because in and through Christ, God buried the law . . .Christ fulfilled the law . . . the law was "buried" in Christ.

Carnality can not touch what God has buried not just because "he" buried it, but because of "where" he buried it.  The law in and of itself "became" the adversary because it was made for a people during a specific time for a specific purpose.  And once it was fulfilled, it was no longer needed.  But those who continue to dig it up, to embrace a law that God has already buried, they can never enter into the kingdom . . .the dimensional things of God because they're too sold on building facts and proof when all the while the Father only responds to those who walk and live through faith.

Was Moses Satan?  I believe there were times in his natural life that he "became" an adversary to God's overall plan only because from time to time he would take matters into his own hands rather than let God deal with the situation, but at the same time, how many of us haven't been there, done that?? 

There is a religious mindset built around this satan thing and until we allow God to help us get over that, there are many other parts to his nature that hinge on that very issue that we'll also struggle with as well.

Many on this site believe that Jesus died for the entire world . . .that his resurrection was not to give us an option to choose heaven over hell, but it was/is the solution.  We believe none are going to hell, yet we struggle with the rest of it then.  For me, satan is what my mind "is".  It's always adversarial toward the nature of God.  the devil is what my mind "does".  It is an accuser.  Can we push through the flesh, push through the natural, push through "our" thinking and enter into the next dimension of what Scripture is really telling us.

[Beth]

Excellent post Nathan  :thumbsup:

[thinktank]

What about the bones of Elijah? wasn't that literal bones that Elisha needed to touch?

Maybe satan wanted the bones of Moses because he is the accuser of the brethren and according to Jesus, there is one who will accuse you, even Moses.

Perhaps the devil wanted the bones to sit on his mantle piece

A token for the future, when Moses accuses the people of God (those who desire to be under the bondage of the law, not those who follow Christ) for not holding the law.

[Quaesitor]

There is a religious mindset built around this satan thing and until we allow God to help us get over that, there are many other parts to his nature that hinge on that very issue that we'll also struggle with as well.

Many on this site believe that Jesus died for the entire world . . .that his resurrection was not to give us an option to choose heaven over hell, but it was/is the solution.  We believe none are going to hell, yet we struggle with the rest of it then.  For me, satan is what my mind "is".  It's always adversarial toward the nature of God.  the devil is what my mind "does".  It is an accuser.  Can we push through the flesh, push through the natural, push through "our" thinking and enter into the next dimension of what Scripture is really telling us.

Missed you Nathan, wow, that was incedibly well said!
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[Molly]

Just weighing in to say I believe Satan is a real being, demons are real, angels are real.

I also believe what you guys are saying in that we obviously have a 'weakness' which allows us to be buffeted about by dark spiritual forces--which weakness one could call the flesh, I guess.

So, I would say, no, Moses is not Satan, I am not Satan, you are not Satan--although any human can be greatly influenced and even possessed.  Satan is not the law but he uses the law to accuse us. 

What is Satan's goal in the book of Job?  God is bragging on Job, so one goal is to discredit God for his poor taste and judgment by breaking Job.  But, more importantly, the goal is to break God's hold on Job by turning Job against God.  His goal is to destroy the man, and that is always his goal--total, and utter, destruction of mankind.

In Job's case, he didn't succeed. :2c:

[Quaesitor]

What is Satan's goal in the book of Job?  God is bragging on Job, so one goal is to discredit God for his poor taste and judgment by breaking Job.  But, more importantly, the goal is to break God's hold on Job by turning Job against God.  His goal is to destroy the man, and that is always his goal--total, and utter, destruction of mankind.

In Job's case, he didn't succeed.

What I disagree with here is to say that, sometimes, satan is able to discredit God and His judgement, a statement which I find to be in contradiction with God's innerent perfection.

[Molly]

What is Satan's goal in the book of Job?  God is bragging on Job, so one goal is to discredit God for his poor taste and judgment by breaking Job.  But, more importantly, the goal is to break God's hold on Job by turning Job against God.  His goal is to destroy the man, and that is always his goal--total, and utter, destruction of mankind.

In Job's case, he didn't succeed.

What I disagree with here is to say that, sometimes, satan is able to discredit God and His judgement, a statement which I find to be in contradiction with God's innerent perfection.

Oh, I didn't mean that he was able.  I meant it was his goal with mankind in general, and Job in particular.

[thinktank]

I think he is able to discredit God in the minds/hearts of man though