Eternity

[thinktank]

Didn't time exist before death? The first - seventh "days" of creation all took place before the fall. Scripture says death reigned from Adam..... Again, I am just looking at the possibilities presented by the Word. It appears to me that time was from the beginning of creation, before death.

:cloud9: Yes, something has to die to create time. The whole creation process was a type of death/lowering for God. But I think Him giving them dominion over the creation, meant that originally they were spirit in some form, as spirit is supposed to rule over soul, until they became lowered themselves. The difference in the "lowering" was in the motive of the heart. God's reason was different from Eve's, whose reason was pure selfishness. My  :2c: Blessings....

I don't see why something has to die to create time. Since when was time asscoiated with death?
I think that in this world we live in that the idea of time causes death, is so intertwined within us that we cannot see Perfect life without time existing. Time is simply measurement or advancement, not advancement of death. Jesus came to abolish death, not time.
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[thinktank]

:cloud9: His Spirit IS life, the whole creation has His Spirit in it (yes, even terriers) :winkgrin:, because He poured Himself into it, like wine into a wineskin, which is why it says let everything that hath breath, praise the Lord.

My favorite true story about that is one that came out in the news about the cricket's legs. Some scientists created some machine that magnifies sound to the extreme never-before-heard level, and they were shocked when they listened to cricket's legs rubbing against one another. To their surprise, it sounded like the most beautiful symphony.

Everything of the creation has His breath in it, it was created to praise Him, and it does (even though we can't hear it); it praises Him in the song, a message that resonates. When NDE's like my uncle said that they heard the most beautiful music they had ever heard when they died, I fully believe they were hearing the creation. My  :2c: Blessings.....

I think your assuming here. I challenge you to look into it. The holy spirit for example if often said to be given at the day of pentecoast, when men began to utter in different tongues and all the gifts of the spirit, this is after the sacrifice of Jesus, for before then our temples were unclean. How can righteousness dwell in unholy vessels?

The music in the cricket doesnt mean that God is in the cricket, simply that his workmanship of breath is in it. The same way in which a music artist records a song and now that cd plays back that song.

Mother earth is another example, does God wake up every day and decide to rain here, but not there? If so then why are there weather patterns in different countries? Rather that God has built a weather machine, that responds predictably, give or take the action and words of men which destroy the natural pattern and cause destruction, such as droughts and storms.

[micah7:9]

Yes, but it changes nothing. The crickets story is wonderful and great, but it does not prove your theory.  You may disallow this scripture 1Co 15:45  Thus, also, it is written—The first man, Adam, became, a living soul, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46  Howbeit, not first, is the body of the spirit, but that, of the soul,—afterwards, that of the spirit.
There is I contend an important difference with Gen. 1:2 and Gen. 2:7. The Lord God made/formed man a living soul. That is not my two cents, that is the Word of God.

[Beloved Servant]

God is the Father of spirits but the former of souls.

[micah7:9]

God is the Father of spirits but the former of souls.

Deep. What does that mean?

[eaglesway]

The word "eternity" is only used once in the entire Bible [ Isa. 57:15] Yet much is said of eternity in many disccusions, its lenght or its lengthlessness. Just what is eternity?
Isa 57:15 For thus says Yahweh, high and lifted up, who tabernacles the future, and holy is His name:"In the high and holy place am I tabernacling, and with the crushed and lowly spirit, to preserve alive the spirit of the lowly, and to preserve alive the heart of the crushed."(CLV)
Isa 57:15  For, thus, saith he that is high and lifted up—Inhabiting futurity, And, holy, is his name: A high and holy place, will I inhabit, Also with the crushed and lowly in spirit, To revive the spirit of the lowly, and To revive the heart of them who are crushed;— (Rotherham)
Isa 57:15  For thus said the high and exalted One, Inhabiting eternity, and holy is His name: `In the high and holy place I dwell, And with the bruised and humble of spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of bruised ones,'
Isa 57:15  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite. (ASV)

Just some facts ;o)

(Isa 57:15)  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity(h5703 ad), whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


H5703
עד
‛ad
ad
From H5710; properly a (peremptory) terminus, that is, (by implication) duration, in the sense of perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition): - eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.

H5710
עדה
‛âdâh
aw-daw'
A primitive root; to advance, that is, pass on or continue; causatively to remove; specifically to bedeck (that is, bring an ornament upon): - adorn, deck (self), pass by, take away.


(Exo 15:18)  The LORDH3068 shall reignH4427 for everH5769 and ever.H5703
(Exo 15:18)  yhwh H3068 malak H4427 olam olam H5769 ad H5703

(Psa 10:16)  The LORDH3068 is KingH4428 for everH5769 and ever:H5703 the heathenH1471 are perishedH6 out of H4480his land. H776
(Psa 10:16)  yhwh H3068 malak H4428 olam olamH5769 ad H5703 goy goyH1471 abadH6 min minny minneyH4480 erets. H776

Yahweh reigns through the end of the ages and beyond- unbelievers perish off of the solid ground(my translation)


This Hebrew word adoccurs 48 times in the OT about half the time it is combined with olam - "olam olam ad". It is the "ever" in "forever and ever"

[reFORMer]

LOWEST TO HIGHEST:  MAN AND GOD COMPARED


While much rarer than the world I was born into, there are people groups on the planet today that live in what the world calls "primitive" conditions.  I lean toward the thought that they are really in a degenerate condition.  Whatever one calls it, they don't have a high culture.  Man's true original or primitive state  is much more elevated.  These kind of things are very difficult to talk about.  If I say they don't read and write you can say they read the clouds and the footprints in the forest floor.  Somehow, if you can, cut through all the clutter and forgive me if I don't say things without a bias, a sort of chauvinism I would prefer to transcend.  I want to make an analogy.  From those who don't wear clothes, who live in an eat or be eaten culture and die before 40 years old, or even worse, those starving and injured survivors of ongoing wars, even in prisons suffering, as one end of the scale, to those who have the finest of the worlds food and medicine, clothes and transport, artistry and learning, there are many steps between.  Many on the upper levels descend to the depths and the lowest, who, "From sitting on a dung heap, God elvates to sit among princes."  Thus is the outward condition of man.

Compare this to God.  Those on the lower steps of the ladder or stairway Jacob saw are in the realm of outward appearances, accepting the Adversary's push through abiding in truth and accepting lies about the contents of the containers they see.  The fiery darts of the wicked sting and draw their attention to the burning sensations and emotioning of the flesh.  The dart's fire illuminates where they've pierced with accusations that claim it is this or that innocent one who is being described by the dart of fire, they are at fault rather than the wicked who has made and thrown the dart.  These are being made enemies of the truth and enemies of man.  Even lower still are those actively pursuing the righteous to destroy them.  As one ascends, advancing in truth and going on into the glory of the increasing manifestation of God, everything becomes light and secrets revealed.  Liberty increases.  Identity changes.  On up and known is His being " Lord of all" ( loc.cit., Ac 10³⁶; also,Jos 3^11,13; Zec 6⁵) and even farther inward and upward, we are parts of "Lord of all." (Ga 4¹)  At the lower levels we think everybody is responsible for what kind of life they have.  I decide my own destiny.  In the upper regions, "...all is of God," (2 Co 5¹⁸) until we go on to experience that,"all and in all is Christ." (Col 3¹¹)


(J. M. Rohde)

[Cardinal]

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[micah7:9]

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