Eternity

[micah7:9]

Yet He did it in time. Time Is.

[Beloved Servant]

I disagree.

He did "it" in our observation and understanding but nothing He did/does in one dimensional!

[Cardinal]

In my limited knowledge it seems to be that only God the father exists outside of time and possibly the word Jesus, but everyone else is subject to time or unfoldment of time, as Gods plan unfolds.
:2c:

:cloud9: Since God is Spirit, and there is no death in His Spirit, then no time in His Spirit, because time is the measurement of death. Willie's right in what He said about it being the "NOW" unfolding, as in His perfect will and counsel being established in the creation.

More food for thought. I've shared this before, but I was praying at bible study and He showed me a vision of brilliant light
going from my left to my right, really fast at the beginnning. As it neared a "midpoint" it keep getting slower and slower, and darker and darker, until it was totally black darkness. It then began to "speed up" again from that midpoint, gradually growing lighter and faster until it was total bright light again. Just then He spoke to me, "You have just witnessed creation."

I was stunned, and it came with the understanding that Spirit slowed down ("died" if you will, ie. lowered and slain from the foundationof the world) to form that which is a lesser glory, yet it is still a glory. This also explains why He said He dwells in the thick darkness. It also explains why it says He QUICKENS (means to speed up) our mortal bodies, and why we are returning to where we, as spirit, are returning TO. My  :2c: Blessings....

[willieH]

I AM, is time... and as long as I Am IS, there is time.

Actually... TIME is "NOW" in motion. (something in MOTION is not at PEACE/STILL)...

God notes in the OT -- Psalm 46:10 -- that one must be STILL (PEACE), and in that "STILLNESS" -- KNOW that He is GOD... 

Man cannot entirely separate Himself from the decaying "movement" of TIME, but He can separate Himself from its "doings", by separating himself from those "doings"... which is WHY CHRIST removed into the wilderness and, into the Garden, ...to pray (away from the city and the corruptible "DOINGS" of MEN, into a setting which GOD made without the presence of MAN, ...and which is perpetuallly of HIM and His "doings")

...willieH  :happygrin:

Understood,  yet time was still there in the garden and in the wilderness, perhaps " silent" but there.

My  :2c:

Before it was "created", ..."TIME" was a non-existent (or better yet) UNREVEALED entity --  :dontknow:  As well, because TIME had a BEGINNING, means that TIME by the negation of " having a BEGINNING", ...is NOT an ETERNAL entity...

"NOW" is the ETERNAL entity... which has been set IN MOTION by the creation of TIME... and in which ALL, DECAY, EVIL, SIN and DEATH, ...are manifest and found... :nod:

That we (being IN time) do not and cannot percieve of "NOW"  ...without the association of "TIME" is a matter of INOBJECTIVITY, ...inobjective because we are AMIDST and MEMBERS of, ...TIME... (which is "now" within turmoil)

Being separated by our SIN from the perception of "NOW" ...which IS STILL ("now" at PEACE), and is NOT in MOTION nor the TOOL of DECAY that TIME, ...which utilizes the characteristic of "NOW", ...IS...

:Peace: bro...

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I can totally see that, and the "unrevealed part" really struck me, as it ties in with what I shared yesterday about the soul/wife being hidden. Awesome post.  :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

When was time created?
And if there was no time before...  then how come we read "Gen 1:2  And the earth was.." there had to be time for the "was" to have been no?

Do things happen out side of time? And if that be true then when time is no more then nothing will get done or go further right?
Isa 57:15 For thus says Yahweh, high and lifted up, who tabernacles the future,(CVL)
Isa 57:15  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity

[Lefein]

Time is a dimension. 

1 dimension = a line, 2 dimensions = a square, 3 dimensions = a cube, 4 dimensions = an animated cube.

The dimensions are a part of Creation, that being said, God's omnipresence is also omnidimensional.  He exists in all facets of dimensionality, as well as outside of all conceivable dimensions (Olam).

It might even be legitimately said that God is a dimension all to himself as a part of his nature, of which has its own animation.

If lines, shapes, and volumetric things exist, and consist by God, so too does the animation of their physics depend on his empowerment?

[micah7:9]

Eternity H5703  From H5710; properly a (peremptory) terminus, that is, (by implication) duration, in the sense of perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition): - eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.
H5710  A primitive root; to advance, that is, pass on or continue; causatively to remove; specifically to bedeck (that is, bring an ornament upon): - adorn, deck (self), pass by, take away.

I believe if something is happening, then there is Time.

[thinktank]

Eternity H5703  From H5710; properly a (peremptory) terminus, that is, (by implication) duration, in the sense of perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition): - eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.
H5710  A primitive root; to advance, that is, pass on or continue; causatively to remove; specifically to bedeck (that is, bring an ornament upon): - adorn, deck (self), pass by, take away.

I believe if something is happening, then there is Time.

Yes I beleive this to, that only GOD the Father is outside of creation. That we are not God, therefore we are not outside of time or unfoldment. Perhaps our PERCEPTION of time is different, especially in the spirit world, for 1 day is as a thousands years and a thousand to 1 day to the lord, but the fact that God perceives time Here shows us something, why should we believe that we can outdo God and be outside of time.

:2c:

[micah7:9]

I had always thought that time was a tool created by God just for us now, here for us mankind. That when He closes the book and all men and all His creation have returned to Him, then there will be no more need for time. Ive changed my mind, I agree Thinktank our perception of time I believe is blurred. I believe that God, The Father, Jehovah IS, and if that is so, then "things" are still going to happen, unfold  for eternity is the future, advancing so there is time.

[eaglesway]

We know not yet what we shall be, but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we will see Him as He is...

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Was there time before Adam "ate and died"? Of course there was, because the Word defines the creation as a process of "days". The only reason I make that point is because some people try to define time in terms of death and see all that is finite as a result of death, and the eternal as a result of redemption, re-connection to the infinite God,... but I like the idea that the finite is the result of creation. Before God created, there was only God outside time, eternal.  Once He created, were there finite divisions of Himself? Was Adam, "eternal" before he died? Or will our eventual reunion with Him in the "all in all" be a revelation of an indivisible union with eternity/infinity in YHWH? Do we become infinite? Or are we as many finite parts of that which is infinite? Or is anything that is part of the infinite, itself infinite? Wow, mind boggling stuff to consider :o), and I don't have the answer, but I can't wait to find out !

[micah7:9]

The words eternal and eternity( futurity) are used much in our Bible vocabulary, but what does the
Bible say about eternity? I cant find much but Isa.57:15 I feel that as long as "something" is happening then there is time.
I read here on this forum that time was created, I used to say that, but now I find no evidence of such. Am I in error?
If "things" continue to be, then there must be time. And yes I can second this,"Wow, mind boggling stuff to consider :o), and I don't have the answer, but I can't wait to find out !" :bigGrin:

[eaglesway]

Hi Micah7:9
The hypothesis that as long as there are things there must be time may or may not be true. I kno the hypothesis that eternity is not endless time, but rather a time transcendent state of being is commonly held, and also may or may not  be true.   I wonder if it is knowable, since we know not yet what we shall be- the whole "seen through a glass darkly" thing. I kno that some people think time is the result of death, but IMO time is the result of creation, since creation occured "In the beginning" and as a process of "days". Previous to creation, as I see it, God was alone in eternity.

But I wonder about the end of the ages when all things are summed up in Christ and He returns all things to the Father, having put down all rule power and authority, so that God will be all in all. Isn't time, which is expressed in the words ;"chronos", "kairos", "genea", "aion/aionios" and "kosmos"; a form of rule, power and authority?
If we are pieces of the infinite, are we finite? When we know "as we are known" will we share infinity/eternity as a state of being, partaking in the divine nature in the "all in all"? When we know as we are known, what will be the state of our "being" and "doing".

Also, I am not sure, having done a thorough examination in the Greek and Hebrew, that eternity equates to futurity. In the KJV OT etrnal is "qedem" once and "olam" once and "ad" once. Everlasting occurs 65 times and is "olam" evry time. In the NASB everlasting is "olam" 110 times. But "olam" occurs 413 times and is translated as different words such as "of old", "always", "perpetual" and more.

I think eternal equates more to "I am that I am"(yhwh-the self-existent one; the eternal one-Strongs From h1933 be; breathe h1961 exist) and "was and is and is to come"- the state of being of God related to time may become ours as well when we become whatever we will be.

This verse intrigues me.
"The LORD(YHWH) shall reign forever(olam) and ever(ad)." olam means- unseen/unknown/other-world/beyond the horizon  ad means- terminus
(Exo 15:18)

"beyond the unseen end" or to the end of the unknown maybe

I agree that from our present perspective, as long as there are things and actions it seems there must be time as a record and process of the sequence of events- I am just not sure that our present perspective is sufficient to peer over the edge into what will actually be :o)

[Beloved Servant]

Micah, can you imagine time traveling in three dimensions?

1 Timothy 1:4

[micah7:9]

Micah, can you imagine time traveling in three dimensions?

1 Timothy 1:4

I said nothing about time traveling and I know nothing of time traveling, thats all I can about that.

[Lefein]

This verse intrigues me.
"The LORD(YHWH) shall reign forever(olam) and ever(ad)." olam means- unseen/unknown/other-world/beyond the horizon  ad means- terminus
(Exo 15:18)

"beyond the unseen end" or to the end of the unknown maybe

Beyond the end of the horizon?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: @ Eaglesway......

Exo. 15:18 The LORD(YHWH) shall reign forever(olam) and ever(ad).  olam means- unseen/unknown/other-world/beyond the horizon  ad means- terminus

Olam comes from a root meaning to conceal or hide, Ad comes from a root that means to glory, and is used as "to deck" with ornaments. The word for "ornaments" means something that goes on the head, like a turban, ie. to shew His glory openly. He reigns over the hidden and the openly seen, He dwells in thick darkness (hidden). My  :2c: Blessings....

[Molly]

I read here on this forum that time was created, I used to say that, but now I find no evidence of such. Am I in error?

Not sure what that means, but time is not a constant--as you approach the speed of light, time slows down...

Time is relative to a frame of reference.

[micah7:9]

But continous, does not stop.

[Lefein]

Remember friends, time doesn't just mean the motion of decay, it also means the motion of growth.  You can't have a harvest without harvest time.

[Molly]

But continous, does not stop.

Does time stop at the speed of light? :dontknow:

The standard equation for "time dilation" is that the time passing on Earth will equal the time on the object * 1/sqrt(1-((v*v)/(c*c))), where v is the velocity of the object and c is the speed of light. At v=c this goes to infinity, or in other words, time would stop for an object moving at the speed of light. This is not a problem because objects can't go at the speed of light -- it would take an infinite amount of energy (and their mass would also become infinite).

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_gp_sl.html#time

Dr. Eric Christian

[Cardinal]

But continous, does not stop.

Does time stop at the speed of light? :dontknow:

The standard equation for "time dilation" is that the time passing on Earth will equal the time on the object * 1/sqrt(1-((v*v)/(c*c))), where v is the velocity of the object and c is the speed of light. At v=c this goes to infinity, or in other words, time would stop for an object moving at the speed of light. This is not a problem because objects can't go at the speed of light -- it would take an infinite amount of energy (and their mass would also become infinite).

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_gp_sl.html#time

Dr. Eric Christian

:cloud9:  :thumbsup: Which is exactly what He showed me in the vision of light speeding up and then slowing down becoming darkness, and then speeding up again, if you understand that the "darkness", or that which is formed from the light, is under time and therefore subjected to death. Blessings....

[micah7:9]

Your saying as far as your vision is concerned time and darkness dies, stops and is no more at a certain place?

When might that be?

[Beloved Servant]

For yourselves know perfectly that The Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

[micah7:9]

For yourselves know perfectly that The Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

And then time stops?