Who is Satan?

[micah7:9]

Joh 16:7  `But I tell you the truth; it is better for you that I go away, for if I may not go away, the Comforter will not come unto you, and if I go on, I will send Him unto you;
Joh 16:13  and when He may come--the Spirit of truth--He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you;

[Lefein]

In a similar manner that Jesus spoke what God The Father gave him to speak also? :)

[micah7:9]

Person= 1) a human being , esp. as distinguished from a thing or lower animal; individual man, woman, or child; now usaually
pluralized as people, which formaly was used only to indicate an indifinte number of people. Websters New world Coll. Dict.

[Lefein]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

In the more general sense of person, not specifically of the Human species.

[micah7:9]

Alas the spliting of the hair. You ve heard that if it walks like a duck.......
"
not specifically of the Human species." Now what do you mean by that, not specifically of the HUMAN species?

Person= 1) a human being , esp. as distinguished from a thing or lower animal; individual man, woman, or child; now usaually
pluralized as people, which formaly was used only to indicate an indifinte number of people. Websters New world Coll. Dict.

[Lefein]

I mean specifically, that I am not going to limit Personhood to humanity specifically.  I don't know if The Holy Spirit is human.  But if he is not, that doesn't take away from his personhood, as sentient.

[micah7:9]

Personhood!!!! Just what is "personhood?" Are you now making up words to bring forth your "ideas," of the adversary? We are speakinfg of the adversary correct? You cant just "say" something is a "person" just because you want someTHING to be of a personal feeling to you.

[Lefein]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personhood

[micah7:9]

per·son·hood   /ˈpɜrsənˌhʊd/  Show Spelled
[pur-suhn-hood]  Show IPA

–noun
1. the state or fact of being a person. 2. the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics and feelings: a harsh prison system that deprives prisoners of their personhood.
personhood  (ˈp£ːsənˌhʊd) 

— n   
chiefly  ( US ) the condition of being a person who is an individual with inalienable rights, esp under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States

Got it.

[Pierac]

Yes it was.  Just as The Holy Spirit is a sentient being, so too is The Adversary whom The Holy Spirit is against.

You need to understand the Hebraic  concept of parallel teachings. I'll let Jesus explain...

Luk 12:11 And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Mat 10:19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Now take some time and search the scriptures for the "Finger of God"  in both the old and new testament, then the compare the parallel teachings like the verses above.  I could show you the connection but you need to learn for your self.

Paul

[Molly]

The Parakletos, the Comforter

When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

12 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

--John 16

[Molly]

Parakletos, another counselor

16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—

--John 14



...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
--Isa 9:6

[peacemaker]

 Adversity of the soul and Spirit:

"Pride and hunger will ever be at variance, until both are satisfied."

[Molly]

The Paraklete, the Protector

"the Greek term paraclete, though often translated "comforter" or "encourager," comes from classical Greek literature in which two Greek soldiers were paired together.

"When the fighting got intense and even became hand-to-hand combat, one's paraclete backed up to your back and you fought to the front and to the side, knowing that someone was behind you protecting that which you could not protect yourself.."




The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

--John 14

[thinktank]

May the spirit be with you allways even until the end of the world.

Also christian brothers ,sisters be carefull of what you speak concerning the spirit.

The spirit is heavenly pearls, precious, sacred and given to us as a gift from the father and the son. I believe there is more to this than meets the eye and I believe I have had revelation of mysteries, not quite ready to share yet.

I must remember this myself, we christians treat the spirit badly, there's a whole lot of grieving going on.  :sigh:

[micah7:9]

I must move on, I came into this post with the understanding of "Who is Satan," I must have lost my way. I aplogize for any inconvience I may have caused

[micah7:9]

I'm interested in what studies and conclusions others have made.  Who was Satan, where was he and where is he now?  I can only think of one New Testament siting/depiction. From what I can tell, only Jesus has seen him and conversed in length.  For some reason there are many sermons today about this evil being and yet very little experiences to draw from.

That's because Satan is a very minor character in the bible. He is very insignificant, just a bit part.

People need to control people, and fear is the biggest control mechanism. When the church got thir hands onto this devil character they played him up to control the masses, to fear people into tithes...now the movement seems to be moving more into blaming him for everything wrong to eleviate their own responsibility. The church has also expanded this saying unless you do this or that YOU have become one of his followers.

Control, through fear...my oh my, religion is good for the people.

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

And here in this thread lies the perfect example of what sound does.  Everyone is singing the song of spiritual sound.  Each may sing a different note, but each note harmonizes with the others and the song of what's being said rings true.  I relate to every one of your thoughts and posts. 

Satan is not what Jesus called Peter.  The translators chose that word, the original word Jesus said to Peter was "adversary".  Which is what one of the previous posts here eluded to.  When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness . . .the king of darkness, as tradition percieves satan to be . . .the king of darkness has NOTHING that would ever tempt Jesus.  Yet Scripture says he indeed was tempted.

However, when we see Jesus, as God who manifests fully in flesh, we then can understand that even in the fleshly manifestation of Jesus was a carnal thinking mind that needed to be aligned before his ministry could affect the world as originally intended.  Jesus needed to put his flesh into submission and that's all that was happening in the wilderness. 

From the serpent in the garden of Genesis to the dragon in Revelation this carnal force has been in existance in every mind of man.  It's the most subtle "beast" in all the field.  This was not a depiction of natural snakes, but it "is" a principle of how carnality works in our lives.  Satan is the carnal force subtly at work in my mind.  Which means it works just under my awareness.  My mind is dependant on knowledge, carnality is the governing force that influences my natural mind, thus making it an adversary to the nature of God. 


Satan is what my carnal mind is . . .it's an adversary.  The "devil" is what my mind "does".  The authors of Scripture never used "devil" either.  What they did use was "traducer" which is our term for "accuser".  My carnal mind accuses me night and day of my shortcomings and my failures.  Quoting Scriptures may win the battle, but the war continues on.  It's not until we exercise the authority in us and command the alignment to manifest that we finally shut the enemy down all together.  That's what Jesus did with Peter when he called him satan and that's what Jesus did with his own mind in the wilderness.  "Get thee behind me" is a decree of alignment.

satan can not be the carnal mind.

[micah7:9]

good stuff...

its almost like we all have a cain and able inside us  :mshock:

I, believe that you have come very close to a manifestation.

[micah7:9]

Satan is not what Jesus called Peter.  The translators chose that word, the original word Jesus said to Peter was "adversary".

The reason they did chose that word is because in the origonal language Satan means adversary. It was what Jesus called Him, Adversary became a proper name for the serpent... there were those like Peter who at that moment was acting adversarial towards the plan of God, and there is also THE Adversary.

God is even called satan, for in the Aramaic the word adversary is SATAN...and in Chronicles I think it is God is adversarial towards Israel, therefor in the origonal aramaic it does say that God was satan towards Israel.

God is even called satan, for in the Aramaic the word adversary is SATAN...and in Chronicles I think it is God is adversarial towards Israel, therefor in the origonal aramaic it does say that God was satan towards Israel.
Very true

[micah7:9]

Satan = adversary (adverse) = opposite of (what?)
Truth  = Word of God = Jesus Christ
                   — so —
            Satan is the The Lie

How so? How is satan The Lie?

[Molly]

Satan is the prince of this age.


John 14:30
I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me,

[micah7:9]

Who taught us that principalities and powers is refering to a demonic realm or world?  What it that has a different intent all together?

Titus 3:1
Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,


If principalities and powers are demonic, then why on earth would Paul instruct Titus to remind people to be "subject" to them?  In other words, to be in subjection to them?  In the opening of chapter two, where this line of thought stems from, Paul exhorts Titus to preach this as "sound doctrine." 

I believe the church is missing it on this.

I believe you are right on

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: A joker, eh?  :grin: You know what I mean.......air = breath = spirit.

I would find question and doubt in that equation, I bellieve there is a great difference.

[micah7:9]

Man . . .I just spent 20 minutes or so posting to this again but something must have happened as it's obviously not showing up. 

So Card, say you're right . . . which I personally tend to agree with as well.  But say it's both.  Then the next question I would as would be "which one do I need to be aware of the most?"  Do I identify with demonic activity and casting out demons everywhere I go? 

Or, do I identify  the powers of carnal men who've put themselves in high places . . .and not just physical men, but the carnality that influenced them to do it?  What influenced them can just as easily influence me.  What were most of the warnings to the church about?  Demons infiltraiting?  Or false doctrines . . .rudimental mindsets . . . religious enforcements?  Or worshiping satan?

Of the two, which are the most subtle of all the beasts in the field?  Which have the greatest potential in deceiving me?  Granted a part of Jesus ministry did establish the fact that his name had the power above all other forces above, on, and below the earth.  But that was not his predominant message, to cast out demons.  It was simply a "sign" revealing where the real authority was at.  He didn't teach about the principle of demons, but he did preach about the kingdom of heaven.  He didn't preach "against" demons, but he did preach against the religious mindsets.

2 Corinthians 10
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)  5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Not about demonic warfare, but it does seem to be dealing with the carnal mind.  Pulling down of strongholds and throwing down imaginations.  A stronghold is simply a principle that one chooses to be immovable on.  Bringing "thoughts" into captivity . . .it's not about demons, it's about religiousness.

Colossians 2
2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;  3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Truth comes by way of revelation from the Father, not through proof of a written passage.  Because it's "hid" not from us, but "for" us.  It is Christ who removes the veil of understanding.  Sorry, I just read that in looking for something else.

A little further down, Paul actually connects prinipality and power with the rudiments, which actually means first principles.  It's not about demons, it's about religion overshadowing truth.

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.  9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power

"Of the two, which are the most subtle of all the beasts in the field?" the answer to that is man.