All out of love.

[thinktank]

I think this may be my last response again as on the other thread with Lefein, it's getting nowhere to argue with people's minds who refuse to accept any other point of view other than their own. 

But the whole point here is for the good of BOTH parties involved.  You say you're not referring to junkbunny, which I thought was why we were responding on this particular thread.  For me, I "was" responding to her situation by stating that if she's not equipped to deal with the other person, then God would not have arranged it.  However, if she doesn't feel like she "can" be of any good and wants out, then that's up to her with no condemnation on my part.

but because she's asking for advice, that indicates she's unsure and so that's where we come in . . .to share our point of views so hopefully, somewhere someone says something that can encourage her and give her strength in seeing what it is she needs to do next.

so . . ."who's" time are we talking about then?  "our" time and "our" effort . . . That still sounds like we're looking out for #1 here.  Even though to my understanding, the nature of the Father is to put others before ourselves.

Is this all about me seeing results in another person?  Or is this about simply living out life in obedience to the voice of the Father speaking within me?  Paul stated that one plants, another comes along and waters . . there's no mention of the first one who planted is still their waiting for evidence that he didn't waste his time or seeds.

Now if you are saying . . .no matter what she does, the other person rejects everything she tries and says and still thinks they have the right to force themselves into her home, in that case then I think she needs to set down with them and realign some priorities in the home.

For me, the bottom line for any of this is, if someone is into something that I either don't know how, or can't be the way to give them a hand up, prayer is the most powerful weapon we have at our disposal. 

I wasn't arguing with you brother and I belive you offered good advice. I don't see my advice in competition with yours, simply another viewpoint or presenting a choice that is acceptable to scripture, I agree with you and I don't need to repeat what you say because it is already spoken by you and others.

[thinktank]

FIRST --- Obviously you didn't read (or asborb what I said in) the post... I encouraged staying BY her friend, and drawing off the strength of the Lord, as opposed to ABANDONING her and "leaving her to the Lord"... wherein is the ministry, if that is done, Tank?


But you were more interested in addressing me first so I wonder whether your care is genuine or just using it as an argument of heavy burden against me, others and junkbunny.

If we wish to be ministers, we do not run from challenges which might occur within family and/or friends...

I never told her to run, only that is an option and is scriptural. Kicking her out on the streets and leave her to die is not what I am saying even an unbeliver would have difficulty doing that, just letting their friend die. I believe that junkbunny is wise enough, that if she kicked her out as I suggested, then she would use her wisdom to also have a place for her to stay. This woman staying with junkbunny is not broke, she is making money as a teacher and probably lots from prostitution.
Where is the evil in kicking this woman out if she is able to find another place to stay?
This woman is not homeless or broke as you might have thought and it seems that she does not care much about junkbunny or her opinion.


THIRD --- to name the woman SINFUL as if YOU are not is a short sight on your part, bro -- 1 John 1:8

She is sinful and we are talking about her not me. Do you want me to confess all my sins to you willie? no offense but I do not trust you enough to confess you my sins.

Physical assault (slapping) on another adult (or child) IS a crime... and is NEVER funny.  Your supporter (which has named your advice as good) has encouraged your advice which is BY LAW, assault... therefore you BOTH encourage Junkbunny to partake in a CRIMINAL activity...

Did you ever get slapped as a child willie? Do you think your slapper deserves to go to jail?

What kind of Nazi state do you want to live in? Do you want it to be illegal to also swear at a person?

And you talk about forgivness all the time , but you want to criminalize a simple slap, that doesn't even cause physical damage. Furthermore this is a christian forum and I trust that the people who do any slapping have enough of God within them to know what is right and proper. Do you want the government to regulate every aspect of our behaviour?

What is "fun" about a lawsuit, TANK?  And is it not ASSUMING to belittle this person (Junkbunnys friend) whom YOU DO NOT KNOW... further?

I don't need to belittle her, she belittles herself. Her behaviour is destructive, whether one loves her or not.

Nothing is fun about a lawsuit, execept for those people who enjoy the thrill of winning. I have seen them on tv, they do exist and you are naive to think otherwise.

How is telling this person that she cannot be a friend any longer a POSITIVE suggestion, Tank?

Well I read her story and the woman thinks that is is fun to sleep around with men. This woman is so much in darkness that she does not belive it to be destructive, but fun. If junkbunny tells her she cannot be friends with her then it may wake up this woman to realize that her actions are having a negative effect on her friends (junkbunnies) life. If this woman had any love or respect for junkbunny she might consider her ways and realize she's upsetting her friend.

Suggesting that Junkbunny abandon her (in the "spirit" of not being --- her brothers keeper?  Rolleye)

No abandon her in the flesh, but not in the spirit. For I reccomend she prayed for her friend.
She doesnt have to be friends with her, the same way that we are not friends with each other, but pray for each through Christ. Thank God we do not live with each other, I think this is something you will agree with me on.  :swordfight:



Not if Junkbunny is entering, as did CHRIST, with faith in the protection of the Father, as an instrument of HIS, in His hand, which embarks upon bringing HEALING to this tormented womens life!

The Scripture notes:

Phil 4:13 -- I can do ALL THINGS through CHRIST who strengtheneth me

She can do that at a distance though. Maybe move out and she can meet up at a pub and discuss things etc and also pray for her. But ultimately the choice is hers to make and not mine or yours. I do not condemn her for whatever choice she makes and neither should you.

This is speaking of quarreling with an unbeliever... the word "yoked" in 2 Cor 6:14 means "discordant"/at variance.

In saying this, you portray EVIL as greater in power when confronted with GOODNESS... that instead of the GOOD prevailing, that the bearer of it, shall instead be DRAGGED DOWN into the evil...  Mshock  Where is FAITH exercised in this?

Tell that to the apostle Paul, who I think had more faith than most of us, but yet reccomended not to be in company with those that practice lawlessness. He never said to lose faith or hope but to pray for them and edify them, but not to spend all the time with them.


If this were so, than many if not ALL missionairies in the world are carelessly endangering themselves as they heed the advice given them by CHRIST to go into the "hedges and highways" as did He..

These missionaries spent time with ALL the congregation and thus they would not spend too long on just one person. How long did Jesus spend with a person , 5 minutes? 10 minutes?
IT is the spirit of God that is able to empower us and overcome sin, not the efforts of our friends as well meaning as they try, they can only encourage.

Luke 14:16-24 -- The supposed "hearers" of Him didn't have time to "eat the supper" of GOD, ...so CHRIST said to go proclaim it to those into the STREETS and LANES of the CITY, and invite the (spiritually) LAME, BLIND and HALT to the supper (which is the "eating" of TRUTH, the bread of LIFE)...

They came to Christ to be healed, how can junkbunny heal this woman? She cannot, but only guide her towards Christ.



And the power of GOOD cannot equally and MORE, ...exalt and LIFT the one who is immersed in evil, FROM IT?  We, if indeed we are "saints" shall be about sharing the TRUTH with ANY which will hear it... not run from the power of EVIL.

The power from high is strong, but many christians fall, too many, including champions like solomon, David. I admire your courage Peter err I mean willie but is it holy ghost power or carnal ego power.


FIRST --- Yes... those that have EARS to hear... may they "hear" the truth within this interaction... not the proclamation of any which either subliminally or blatantly, self-proclaims their view as being such..

The idea was about junkbunny and people here who might see the connection through the spirit of God, not about manupilation to try and paint an ugly picture of junkbunny a person whom I have never met nor spoken on this forum before. Only she knows whether there is any truth to her username, furthermore I did not say that she was involved with these sins, only that the very presence of these sins in her house would bring temptation to her door on a daily basis. A bit like living with a person who watches pornography, you might not engage in it yourself but the very presence of it, makes it a DAILY TEMPTATION which taxes the mind and spirit.

SECOND --- You are ridden with FEARING evil, instead of recieving from on HIGH, the power which is greater.  These problems (though formidable if we fight them of ourselves) have no power at all in comparison to that which is ABOVE.

I do fear, as I am only human. But the same fear that shows in fear of falling into sin by other tenants can also show up, if one leaves them to their own devices. Isn't that fearfull to?
The fear that if we leave them then they will die?

What about the man that approached Jesus.
luke

59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. 61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. 62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Did he fear about his household?

He wanted to go back to check on them. But Jesus said leave them alone.

So to me there are instance in life where Jesus calls us to leave our father house and be driven into a land that I will show thee.


THIRD --- If all counselors took your position, there would be no rehab from these problems for ANYONE entraped in them, at all!!  ...Instead you would WEAKLY abandon the HELPLESS, to their mischoosings, with no FAITH in the power you claim to represent... Had CHRIST took that position with you... you might well be numbered WITH THESE yourself.

If junkbunny feels herself strong enough to take on this challenge then good. But it seems from her post that she has lost strength. Does one assign a firefighter to fix a car or assign a doctor to farm crops? under such situations would only cause grief and frustration, so can junkbunny save her friend?  :dontknow:

Secondly I never took a position as such, only gave a map or a path, of potential travel. Why would I repeat the same advice that people here have alreeady given. That advice is pray and seek what God would have her do. The path that I outlayed to her is scripturally based and you have not given any argument, which says that this path should not be travelled in any curcumstance. Im affraid that the path i have given her is a scripurally accepted path and its up to her to choose her path wisely.




Now you have (without any information or witness) deduced our sister Junkbunny, ...as "Junk" (self explanatory) and concluded that she is also already overcome in this situation , noting "Bunny" means "incline towards"...

That is not my intention. Only to highlight the fact that her choice of username might hide a subconcious problem. Also the picture she has is a pic of a man gone insane holding a knife in his hand. Do you want to see junkbunny turned into this? I do not, that is why leaving her friend could be a wise idea, this is not being negative it is merely a potential scenerio, which she can save herself from, if she be wise and seek God.



It is not you place to tell me of my "needs"... and the only thing WITH WHICH, you can make such determinations --- is by employing your own potentially fallible beliefs, as the measure of mine.

As far as I am concerned, I long ago was revealed by the Holy Spirit, as to what the "devil" is an IS NOT...

Ok but I believe you are deceiving yourself and if there arises demonic problems you will have no means of attacking demonic problems.


Thanks for this good wish, brother... but it remains my position that your advice and the advice of a few others in this thread can hardly be considered as "good"... when you advise SLAPPING of another and such... and in your conjectures, determine our sister Junkbunny... as JUNK and BUNNY, defining and determining "bunny" as "inclined" toward "whatever" negatives your mind engages...

You pick out bit of advice which you can spin to you advantage as being evil, while ignoring the good advice in order to suit yourself as the voice of authority. If you think slapping is evil and should be criminalized then that is your own affair, but the gospel shows that not only does christ expects us to forgive when one smiteth us on our cheeks but the bible says in proverbs to use a rod on a child and he will not die. An evil man would use that as an excuse to use violence on their children, but if they are evil anyway, why would they need the bible or even listen to it to tell them how to behave? So that advice is for Godly men and women who use discipline with Godly wisdom, so I can imagine that there won't be many of these instances. It depends on the personality some parents out there smack their kids for things like being late etc my mum for instance was regularly smacked because her mother was full of pride and smacked for all the wrong reasons, but to me I think physical discipline should only be used when their life is in danger and they need to change from bad behaviour, afterall what's worse a red leg or a broken leg?. A red leg or a dead leg?

Proverbs 13:24   
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 23:13   
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 29:15   
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

sounds like today, lets leave this kid in front of the tv all day watching blood and violence and when he comes back from school causing trouble, wonder what the problem is. Obesity epidemic, kid violence epidemic? Is this the cause? I doubt it's that simple, but we'd be naiive to think it is not a factor.

I have already explained the junkbunny reasoning, with wise reasoning. It is up to junkbunny to figure out with Gods help whether it is true or not.

Interesting to know how would you discipline wayward kids, I suppose you would show them your sentences and say look READ THIS.

Naughty kids: NOOO not capital letters HELPPP, we won't steal again willie , just keep away your ghastly writings from us, don't torture us with these headaches and manupilative sentences. :icon_joker:


May His WORDS speak to YOU and I, ...as well as help our sister Junkbunny AND her friend..

Yes lets all pray for her and not let our own arguments side track us from the person who needs our prayers, junkbunny.


ps what does this sign, that you keep whacking people with mean?

:omg:

[Lefein]

It would seem that Junkbunny is in a battle.  It is perfectly alright, and infact WISE to make an organised retreat, recover, regroup, and then re-engage when you are fit to do so.

There is no victory in wearing yourself thin needlessly in a fight, on drained supplies, when you could be a good soldier and get rearmed, and reinforced first.

Jesus is a great captain!  Not a commissar...

"Forward you dogs!  Retreat and I'll shoot you for lack of faith in the Almighty Czar!"

"But I need to regroup, I'm almost out of ammo!"

"Then use your shoe lace and strangle the enemy! Forward or die!  Let your faith in the cause of the Czar carry you to triumph!"

Does that sound like Jesus?  The one who knows we are but dust?  He gives us his strength, but he also gives us his wisdom, his peace, and his rest...we aren't God himself, we need time to rest, even Jesus took a break to pray alone, and as far as YEC is concerned even God the Father himself took a sabbath on the seventh day!

It isn't wise to tempt yourself, or to put yourself purposefully in tempting situations.  Only a fool would go out and try to minister the Gospel in a strip club, or on the set of a porn movie - so why is it different to let a person abuse you in your own home?  It is not.

If Junkbunny is not affecting her friend, she needs to be sure she doesn't let herself get 'infected' by the issues this girl is bringing into her household.  God doesn't give us strength as a license to invite darkness to battle - that is spiritual pride to do so!  He gives us strength to fight it when it crosses our path in daily life.

Junkbunny; if you need a break...take it.  It is your God given right to have a sabbath.

As thinktank, and others have wisely said, in essence.  If you have lost strength, and after prayer, and seeking the will of God - if you haven't gotten the grace, she needs to leave for a bit so you can recuperate, rest, and be at peace for a while.

____

Oh, and Thinktank...on your post?

Amen!

As for  :omg:

It means commonly "Oh my God!"

It is an acronymn used on the internet, chat, and text.

[Cardinal]

Only a fool would go out and try to minister the Gospel in a strip club, or on the set of a porn movie - so why is it different to let a person abuse you in your own home?  It is not.

:cloud9: Let's not forget that we can do ALL things thru Christ who strengthens us. I wouldn't hesitate to go into a strip club or on the set of a porn movie, if HE told me to do it. After all, he went to sinners and publicans, the "unclean" of His day where no man of God "should" have been. Blessings....

[Lefein]

If He orders you to go, that is God's doing, and that is a different matter.

But it is foolishness to go under any other unction other than the clear command of God our Captain.  For many Christians, it would be a bit like being a compulsive over-eater and sweet-tooth going to an all you can eat cookie buffet...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Absolutely  :thumbsup:

[willieH]

willieH:  :Peace:

Eph 1:11 --  in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL... 

ALL THINGS = ALL THINGS... not just, some or even MOST, but ALL.

If God is WORKING ALL THINGS (which by the way is EVERYTHING) as the Scripture says, ...then whatever happens in HIS CREATION, happens according to HIS WORKINGS and HIS WILL...

He is both the MAKER (with the same "lump" of CLAY) ...of the VESSELS of DISHONOR, as well as the VESSELS of HONOR -- Rom 9:21 -- "said vessels" (honorable or dishonorable) are NOT "making" themselves!   :winkgrin:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Lefein]

Junkbunny, what do you feel is on your heart to do?

[thinktank]

willieH:  :Peace:

Eph 1:11 --  in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL... 

ALL THINGS = ALL THINGS... not just, some or even MOST, but ALL.

If God is WORKING ALL THINGS (which by the way is EVERYTHING) as the Scripture says, ...then whatever happens in HIS CREATION, happens according to HIS WORKINGS and HIS WILL...

He is both the MAKER (with the same "lump" of CLAY) ...of the VESSELS of DISHONOR, as well as the VESSELS of HONOR -- Rom 9:21 -- "said vessels" (honorable or dishonorable) are NOT "making" themselves!   :winkgrin:

...willieH  :cloud9:

I think there is a truth to that but I don't belive it is that simple, otherwise God would command or cause the murdering.

Luke 16

17Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.


God woes himself if he is the one behind the offence.

[Lefein]

I try to think of it like this;

God is writing a story - we are ink.  Though we flow freely from the pen, and flow freely on the paper however it may wish to flow - God is the one who directs the pen and writes the letters that we the ink constitute.

In a zoomed in perspective, one driplette of ink might flow upward on the drawn line, and another might flow downward as soon as they hit the paper...But the direction of the penstroke is still steady as it goes, beneath the fingers of God as he writes out his will, writing the story of his Creation and Plan.

He is the Author of our faith, after all.

[shawn]

I have stayed out of this conversation mainly because my advice can sound wishy washy but here goes.  There have been times in my life that ministering to certain people would have sucked me into a situation I wasn't prepared to handle.  I didn't have the tools.  All I could do is love from a distance.  When you fight a battle you had better have the full armor of God on.  If you are still a babe in Christ it's easy to get your hat handed to you.  It's easy to be influenced rather than influence.  

With that said, if you feel equiped, steadfast and lead by the Holy Spirit to minister then by all means do so.  We are called to love the least of these.  We are called to be the hands of God in these situations.

Only Junkbunny can know where she is in this situation.  

[jabcat]

I have stayed out of this conversation mainly because my advice can sound wishy washy but here goes.  There have been times in my life that ministering to certain people would have sucked me into a situation I wasn't prepared to handle.  I didn't have the tools.  All I could do is love from a distance.  When you fight a battle you had better have the full armor of God on.  If you are still a babe in Christ it's easy to get your hat handed to you.  It's easy to be influence rather than influence. 

With that said, if you feel equiped, steadfast and lead by the Holy Spirit to minister then by all means do so.  We are called to love the least of these.  We are called to be the hands of God in these situations.

Only Junkbunny can know where she is in this situation. 

:thumbsup:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Tank...  :cloud9:

I have yet to answer your last post (I prepared an answer and it got lost -- had a computer glitch  :sigh:),  but I will... in the mean time, a response to this one...

Concerning the topic and Junkbunny... it is RELEVANT that she know that whatever is done by her in this, as well as any advice given (good or bad), is INTENDED to be so...

Nothing within and amidst the Creation of ALMIGHTY YHVH is accidental or "coincidental"...

ALL THINGS are ordered to occur and HAVE OCCURED as DECLARED by Him (His WORD), before they became manifest -- Isaiah 46:10 -- "things --- NOT YET DONE" includes ...EVERYTHING that has eventually been "DONE"...  :dontknow:  (including Junkbunny's actions or inactions, after reading the input offered her, by the membership @ TM)

You quoted me saying:

willieH:  :Peace:

Eph 1:11 --  in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL...  

ALL THINGS = ALL THINGS... not just, some or even MOST, but ALL.

If God is WORKING ALL THINGS (which by the way is EVERYTHING) as the Scripture says, ...then whatever happens in HIS CREATION, happens according to HIS WORKINGS and HIS WILL...

He is both the MAKER (with the same "lump" of CLAY) ...of the VESSELS of DISHONOR, as well as the VESSELS of HONOR -- Rom 9:21 -- "said vessels" (honorable or dishonorable) are NOT "making" themselves!   :winkgrin:

...willieH  :cloud9:

I think there is a truth to that but I don't belive it is that simple, otherwise God would command or cause the murdering.

Oh, but indeed it IS "that simple", Tank... :nod:

FIRST --- It all comes down to your understanding of what is actually happening in this life... and within the Creation of YHVH...

It is likely thought by you (as it is VERY common "christian" thinking, ...and please forgive me if this assumption is NOT your position), that there was a "fall" by Adam, which was not intended to "occur"...  This is beginning with a false foundation of confusion... and therefore the conclusions that arise from this foundation, follows after and is built upon this "false thinking"...

Subsequently, those who adopt this premise as ..."THE foundation of Man, which started with an UNORDERED beginning"... are not prepared to accept the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD... I won't go into this, as it becomes an arguement which the staff and owner of Tentmaker do not allow... However... this verse is evident and verified elsewhere, that GOD is involved in ALL THINGS, and is the MAKER of ALL THINGS that are "made" -- John 1:3 -- for HE is putting ALL THINGS below the feet of CHRIST -- 1 Cor 15:27-28

Also, YHVH, is Creator of ALL THINGS... so there is nothing that is exempt from His touch nor from His WORD... as NO "THING" (nothing) "creates" itself.  :dontknow:

SECOND --- God is the Creator of ALL THINGS... "Murder" is only possible, because the concept of DEATH, emerges from HIS KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, which is ONE KNOWLEDGE, containing both LIFE and DEATH... and which "knowledge" is being REVEALED by the WORD of YHVH which is the MAKER of ALL THINGS, and IN WHICH ...ALL THINGS... exist...

This does not DISINCLUDE death and all causes of it.

THIRD --- You will likely not accept this, ... but The KNOWLEDGE of Good AND Evil is a LIVING KNOWLEDGE... which is being MANIFEST by YHVH through and TO, His --- LIVING --- Children who are amidst YHVH's REVELATION of the KNOWLEDGE, via their lives on earth and within the Divinely ORDERED History of MAN...

Most "christians" think that God ..."allows" evil to be manifest... this could not be further from truth!  :pitiful:

GOD intends ALL FORMS of, and in fact, the FULLNESS of EVIL to be manifest, which is WHY He (being present everywhere and IN all things, also KNOWING what will occur, before it OCCURS)... orders each manifestation of EVIL to be REVEALED, yet does NOTHING to prevent it from occuring.  

He is the Creator (emergent point) of EVIL -- Isaiah 45:7 -- and the KNOWLEDGE of IT, exists in its COMPLETENESS -- WITHIN Him as A side of this "ONE KNOWLEDGE"... which is and shall be TEMPORAL, but which shall EVER remain a "KNOWLEDGE" (report -- even though manifestations of it shall FOEVER CEASE), as a testimony to the GLORY of YHVH GOD who is LOVE and GOOD -- 1 John 1:8 -- Mark 10:18 -- Luke 18:19

The OPPOSITE of EVIL [GOOD] is also being displayed on Earth, by the (actual) LIFE of CHRIST, as well as all manifestations of CHRIST, found in ALL works which HE DOES, in and through His followers -- 1 Cor 3:11-13 -- Gal 2:20 -- which shall ABIDE FOREVER.

Luke 16

17Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.


God woes himself if he is the one behind the offence.

This conclusion fails on a number of levels...

FIRST --- that GOD is creator of the OFFENDER, means that NO OFFENSE could occur without HIM "creating" the one which would eventually OFFEND.  Which further reveals, that He INTENDED (by creating the OFFENDERS), that OFFENSES would arise.

SECOND --- OFFENSES are defined by the ETERNAL LAW of GOD, prior to any being committed --- His LAW says "thou shalt NOT KILL" which means that KILLING is defined by the LAW as unacceptable and an OFFENSE, even before it was ever performed.  CAIN was brought forth, with the LAW already a factor, as well as the FOREKNOWLEDGE of his deed (even though unmanifest), already in place. Which again further reveals the INTENTION that the OFFENSE take place.

THIRD --- The "knowledge" of Good and Evil is AWARENESS of what ONE is, as COMPARED to the OTHER.  Without "OFFENSES" actually taking place... the portion of the KNOWLEDGE which is EVIL, is thereby held in silence and UNMANIFEST... and therefore UNKNOWN by any entity, other than YHVH... Also in that UNMANIFESTATION, holding the KNOWLEDGE of "GOOD" at bay, as well as the GLORY contained within it.

Understanding lies BENEATH the surface, bro... OFFENSES are intended to come... which bring into play, the LIVING PRINCIPLE of "sowing and reaping"... "WOE" IS contained in sowing of evil... and within the offenses that those "sowings" produce...

God is the creator of:

(1) -- ALL premises (or resulting conditions) for example -- murder -- which occurs and is manifest in many different ways (poisoning, assault, shootings, etc.), enacted from the basis of many different motives (greed, lust, betrayal, revenge, etc.),  ALL which result in "WOE" for both the "murderer" and the "murdered"... as well as all concerned friends, family, etc... surrounding the two.  ALL of which is FOREKNOWN by YHVH... prior to the event.

(2) -- any person or persons which then, manifest offenses (by disobedience to Holy standards, which "disobediences" are FOREKNOWN by YHVH before they occur) which results in "WOE" occuring.  

This cannot be UNINTENDED, for YHVH is the emergent point, and revealing of:

• (A) disobedience which is made KNOWN by His Law, ...as well as,
• (B) the resultant WOE which then occurs from the disobedience... not to mention,
• (C) the ones manifesting the disobedience.  ALL of which are FOREKNOWN by Him BEFORE they are manifest.  :dontknow:

(3) -- all degrees (pain, suffering, strife, etc.) of "WOE" which are experienced by MEN enabling their manifestation... by not only the participants of the manifestation, but the peripheral persons to those participants as well.

This is ALL manifest, with Divine FOREKNOWLEDGE that each "WOE" SHALL occur as already KNOWN in the HEART of the Creator, BEFORE the participants exist OR become involved in the actual manifestation of the "WOE"...  

Because it is already KNOWN in the Heart of the Creator, and then manifests as it IS already, KNOWN... means that the Creator is the emergent POINT of ALL THINGS, and is WORKING ALL THINGS, due to HIS Foreknowledge which contains the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... which is IN manifestation as we speak, and shall CONTINUE, ...until it is COMPLETE.

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Lefein]

Junkbunny, remember the truth - you aren't a puppet on the strings of a divine manipulator.

Your times are in his gentle hands, you are a lamb to graze in the fields where he leads his flock.  He won't condemn you if you don't want to be near this girl anymore, or if you don't have the strength to continue the fight.  Have peace in knowing that.

*hugs*  I will pray for you.

Heavenly Father, kindly shepherd.  You who does not force our head into the grass, or yank our limbs like puppets under tyranny; you who instead takes us from pasture to pasture, and brook to brook - clean and green, you who chastens us under your yoke which is light, I ask you Father of mine, and Father of this daughter of yours that you would give her your guidance, and your guidance alone.  Rise up in her through yourself - The Holy Spirit, your power and your peace, fill her with your presence, and let peace over flow in her heart, and her mind, and her circumstances, open doors, and give her abundant resources to have and enjoy her life in your will.

I ask Father, that you would be with her, and that you would make it perfectly clear what she is to do, what your will is, how to do it, and how to be joyful in the midst of doing so.

Bless her with abundance, happiness, peace, tranquility, and rejoicing, let her cup of Life run over, and bless others.

I ask Father that you would give her the grace, and strength to be a good influence on her friend, and that what ever seeds she has already planted - that you would water those seeds with yourself, The Living Water, and that these seeds would bear age-lasting, deathless fruit in both of their lives.

I ask Father that you would forgive these daughters of their sins, and that you would fill their dead or dying areas with Life, and bring them to fertile lands, clean, and beautiful.

I ask Father, that you would work in the life, and circumstances of Junkbunny, and her friend, and help them to be the best that they can be.

I ask Father, that you would remind Junkbunny, that she is not junk, and she is not a bunny...Remind her that she is a beautiful daughter, a princess in your court, a priestess, and a queen, to be glorified in the resurrection, and that even now she is a temple lovingly, and carefully made - not to suffer, not to struggle, not to fight, not to be in constant war, not to sacrifice herself by working to death, or fighting to death, not to wear herself out!

...But to be at rest, at peace, to be creative, to be cherished, to be appreciated, to be loved, and to be blessed in all that she does, and that she is loved by you - and to have the Mind of Christ, which is wiser than Solomon himself.

I ask also Father, that you would bring peace of mind, and an end to confusion in her, and her friend.

In Jesus' name I break the darkness over her house, and I demand that demons, and powers of negative living, and hatefulness to the body be gone - I command them in the name of Christ to flee; I ask Father that you would stamp this command, and edict of exorcism with your power, authority, and will in your Name, and Omnipotence.

In Jesus' name I shatter the chains that are upon the girl, and upon her friend.

I ask Father that you would see these things be done.  For your glory and greatness!  I remind you Father that your word says that you are the Healer, The Life!  Give them Life, and Freedom - you promised them freedom, freedom knows nothing of bondage!  Even bondage to guilt, shame, confusion, or even bondage to the ideal of sacrifice.

All things are to be done for good reasons, out of Love, and genuineness, not out of pressure to perform.

O' my beautiful Father, bless that house, and replace the cloud of darkness with your shekinah glory!  Lead her as a pillar of life giving flame that consumes not the bush, or grass, or flowers - in her dark times, and as a pillar of glistening, holy cloud in the noons of her sunny days.

Be with her, and her friend always.

In Jesus' name I pray, and amen.

Also Father...I ask that from now on, threads were people ask for help would no longer be turned into battle grounds for sharp tongued war-mongering over individual's mortal ideas of doctrines!  Yet I ask forgiveness for myself, and others, and another for our own hypocrisy in this.

In Jesus' name - Amen.

[micah7:9]

Again, WillieH, the words the Lord gives you uplift my spirit (His Spirit in me;) If only to me, I am gratefull. Thank you Lord!

[Nathan]

Ah, you're not alone on that one bro . . . I do enjoy Willie's heart and abilities to put his heart into words that feed many who taste his fruit.

Thank's Willie!!! :angelharp:  Keep the harmony going bro.

[thinktank]

Junkbunny, remember the truth - you aren't a puppet on the strings of a divine manipulator.

Your times are in his gentle hands, you are a lamb to graze in the fields where he leads his flock.  He won't condemn you if you don't want to be near this girl anymore, or if you don't have the strength to continue the fight.  Have peace in knowing that.

*hugs*  I will pray for you.

Heavenly Father, kindly shepherd.  You who does not force our head into the grass, or yank our limbs like puppets under tyranny; you who instead takes us from pasture to pasture, and brook to brook - clean and green, you who chastens us under your yoke which is light, I ask you Father of mine, and Father of this daughter of yours that you would give her your guidance, and your guidance alone.  Rise up in her through yourself - The Holy Spirit, your power and your peace, fill her with your presence, and let peace over flow in her heart, and her mind, and her circumstances, open doors, and give her abundant resources to have and enjoy her life in your will.

I as Father, that you would be with her, and that you would make it perfectly clear what she is to do, what your will is, how to do it, and how to be joyful in the midst of doing so.

Bless her with abundance, happiness, peace, tranquility, and rejoicing, let her cup of Life run over, and bless others.

I ask Father that you would give her the grace, and strength to be a good influence on her friend, and that what ever seeds she has already planted - that you would water those seeds with yourself, The Living Water, and that these seeds would bear age-lasting, deathless fruit in both of their lives.

I ask Father that you would forgive these daughters of their sins, and that you would fill their dead or dying areas with Life, and bring them to fertile lands, clean, and beautiful.

I ask Father, that you would work in the life, and circumstances of Junkbunny, and her friend, and help them to be the best that they can be.

I ask Father, that you would remind Junkbunny, that she is not junk, and she is not a bunny...Remind her that she is a beautiful daughter, a princess in your court, a priestess, and a queen, to be glorified in the resurrection, and that even now she is a temple lovingly, and carefully made - not to suffer, not to struggle, not to fight, not to be in constant war, not to sacrifice herself by working to death, or fighting to death, not to wear herself out!

...But to be at rest, at peace, to be creative, to be cherished, to be appreciated, to be loved, and to be blessed in all that she does, and that she is loved by you - and to have the Mind of Christ, which is wiser than Solomon himself.

I ask also Father, that you would bring peace of mind, and an end to confusion in her, and her friend.

In Jesus' name I break the darkness over her house, and I demand that demons, and powers of negative living, and hatefulness to the body be gone - I command them in the name of Christ to flee; I ask Father that you would stamp this command, and edict of exorcism with your power, authority, and will in your Name, and Omnipotence.

In Jesus' name I shatter the chains that are upon the girl, and upon her friend.

I ask Father that you would see these things be done.  For your glory and greatness!  I remind you Father that your word says that you are the Healer, The Life!  Give them Life, and Freedom - you promised them freedom, freedom knows nothing of bondage!  Even bondage to guilt, shame, confusion, or even bondage to the ideal of sacrifice.

All things are to be done for good reasons, out of Love, and genuineness, not out of pressure to perform.

O' my beautiful Father, bless that house, and replace the cloud of darkness with your shekinah glory!  Lead her as a pillar of life giving flame that consumes not the bush, or grass, or flowers - in her dark times, and as a pillar of glistening, holy cloud in the noons of her sunny days.

Be with her, and her friend always.

In Jesus' name I pray, and amen.

Also Father...I ask that from now on, threads were people ask for help would no longer be turned into battle grounds for sharp tongued war-mongering over individual's mortal ideas of doctrines!  Yet I ask forgiveness for myself, and others, and another for our own hypocrisy in this.

In Jesus' name - Amen.

God bless you lefein, bless your humble servant Jesus, add faith and your peoples faith here to his prayer and bring the power of Jesus into that house and bring transforming power, in the name of YAHushua. Amen

[jabcat]

God bless you lefein, bless your humble servant Jesus, add faith and your peoples faith here to his prayer and bring the power of Jesus into that house and bring transforming power, in the name of YAHushua. Amen

Amen.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Micah...  :cloud9:

Again, WillieH, the words the Lord gives you uplift my spirit (His Spirit in me;) If only to me, I am gratefull. Thank you Lord!

As am I for your contributions here as well, bro...  :thumbsup: May YHVH be praised for all edifications originate from Him...  :friendstu:

:Peace:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi brother N... :hithere:

Ah, you're not alone on that one bro . . . I do enjoy Willie's heart and abilities to put his heart into words that feed many who taste his fruit.

Thank's Willie!!! :angelharp:  Keep the harmony going bro.

Thanks for your encouragements my dear friend... I am equally lifted by your words as well... enjoying the wisdoms He gives to us through you...  :cloud9:

Our Father, working through His Children... helping the other Children...  :thumbsup:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Junkbunny...  :cloud9:

Just want you to know that you are in NO WAY a "Puppet" or "Robot" because ALMIGHTY GOD is ordering your steps -- Prov 20:24 -- Jer 10:23 --- Prov 16:9 -- Prov 21:1 -- No more than the hands, feet, eyes, etc of your own body, ...are "puppets or robots" in your body... enslaved by your WILL...  On the contrary... the body works together, and the members SERVE one another... with the HEAD in charge...

CHRIST is our HEAD... and we follow the pathways that the WORD ordered in TOTALITY (end to beginning, then manifest according to that WORD, beginning to end), before any man took his first step -- Isaiah 46:10 -- For CHRIST is the ALPHA and OMEGA... the end and beginning are one and the SAME...

Trust in Him that whatever your heart decides has already been noted by Him, for He cares for you AND your friend... both of whom are destined CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH!

It is an HONOR to have Him in EVERY AREA of our lives, as our administrator... and if we TRUST that He is placing before us, the pathway we walk, we shall know Him all the more, as concerned for our every step, with PURPOSE for GOOD, concerning ALL within the combined walks of men... as HE has ordered, and manifests the moldings of each of us, as DONE by Him, not us... for HE is WORKING ALL THINGS according to HIS WILL -- Eph 1:11

So please dear sister, be confident in Him... and find sweet compassion for your friend, as you help her deal with the SIN in her life... Open doorways of communication with her, so she shall know your heart, just as did the Savior, and as did His true followers as well...  :friendstu:

:Peace:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Let this be a 3 thumbs up Willie.......God has definitely blessed you with the ability to bring out the things He has made life in you with such clarity.  :thumbsup: Blessings....

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Sister R... :hithere:

:cloud9: Let this be a 3 thumbs up Willie.......God has definitely blessed you with the ability to bring out the things He has made life in you with such clarity.  :thumbsup: Blessings....

Thanks for the encouragements dear sister...  :boyheart:  ...you have this very same quality yourself!  May Father YHVH be honored and blessed in all we do (even though we really do not "KNOW" what we "do" as JESUS truthfully said)... for when the temporal, merges into its ETERNAL conclusion, ALL GLORY is HIS, for He has, by HIS WORK, decided us all...  :grouppray:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[CHB]

Amen. :happy3: :happy3:

I love reading your posts willie, I know that God is the creator of them.

I don't post a lot, just get on here to read what everyone has to say, especially you willie. Keep up the good work.  :happy3:

CHB

[willieH]

Amen. :happy3: :happy3:

I love reading your posts willie, I know that God is the creator of them.

I don't post a lot, just get on here to read what everyone has to say, especially you willie. Keep up the good work.  :happy3:

CHB

I love reading your posts as well sister C... God uses us all as members of His Body, to serve and edify one another within His doings, within us...  :HeartThrob:

btw... don't I still "owe you" some of our music?  I can't remember?   :JCThink: (I forget to send it sometimes... if I didn't and you don't mind, I'll just email you some MP3 files of a few of our original tunes which we recorded in our home studio -- let me know! -- Also, we are talking about doing "Dreamin" as part of our live performance list!)

...willieH  :cloud9: