Babylon...Come out of her, my people...

[WhiteWings]

There is no city on earth in history and currently that fullfills these requirements, therefore the city must be yet future.

Βαβυλών
Babulōn
Thayer Definition:
Babylon = "confusion"
1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.

בּבל
bâbel
BDB Definition:
Babel or Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"
1) Babel or Babylon, the ancient site and/or capital of Babylonia (modern Hillah) situated on the Euphrates
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H1101
Same Word by TWOT Number: 197

בּלל
bâlal
BDB Definition:
1) to mix, mingle, confuse, confound
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to mingle, confuse
1a2) to mix
1a3) to give provender, feed (animals)
1b) (Hithpoel) to mix oneself (among others)
1c) (Hiphil) to fade away
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 248

[eaglesway]

Sometimes ones logic is only logical within the (limited) paradigm of ones own perspective.

Babylon, in my view, is both a historic reality and an aionian mystical representation- exactly like Jerusalem.

Rev 17:5  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Babylon-"Confusion by mixture" is the state of a person, or corporately, God's people, walking in carnality (1 Cor 3), as "mere men"(KJV).

Without form and void(chaos, confusion, mixture-not conforming to the image of Christ- God's purpose and goal in choosing us....not coming into sonship maturity), darkness covering the face of the deep (little or no understanding of God's ways or purposes, sleeping spiritually- those who sleep sleep in the dark...it is high time we awake out of sleep.....awake O sleeper and the light of Christ will shine on you), the Spirit hovering over the face of the waters(chosen for salvation/deliverance by sanctification of the Spirit 1 Pet 1:2 2 Thess 2:13,Titus 3:5 the Spirit searches out the deep things of God and makes them known unto us)in need of separation(Let there be light! Sword of the spirit, dividing asunder soul and spirit and MAKING MANIFEST) and creation/manifestation/fruitfulness born of revelation(the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God, that you might know/experience what is the hope of His calling, the riches of His inheritance in the saints and the surpassing greatness of His power towards us who believe....Eph 1).

"Therefore come ye out from the midst of her and be a clean and separate people". "If any man cleanse himself from these(the fruits of carnality) he shall be a vessel fit for the master's use."


But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
(Heb 12:22-24)

How blessed is the man whose strength is in You, In whose heart are the highways to Zion! Passing through the valley of Baca(tears) they make it a spring; The early rain also covers it with blessings. They go from strength to strength, Every one of them appears before God in Zion.
(Psa 84:5-7)



Jerusalem means "flow of peace" or "rain of peace". Do a quick search on "coming down of of the heavens" and/or "coming out from God" and you will quickly see it is about "manifestation" in the earth of "revelation" previously hidden. The new Jerusalem "comes down out of heaven" whenever the Bride is "manifested" by a group of believers in any given place and time, as it was(in essence) in Acts 2 and 4. I also believe she will be revealed to "the whole world"(age/kosmos) at the parousia/epephania of Christ. We have all been summoned to the "wedding feast", where the Spirit and the Bride say "Come all ye that thirst and drink FREELY of the water of life". The ho always charges money, and she drinks from the blood of the saints(This wisdom is not from above... James 3:14-16).

Those who have "Come out of her", that spiritual ho, in whom "righteousness once dwelt but she has become a ho" Isaiah 1:21 are marching to Zion "you have come unto Zion, and the heavenly Jerusalem....."(Heb 12).

Those who have not are held in "captivity". "By the rivers of Babylon we hung our harps while our captors demanded of us songs"(sounds like church in the system, drinking fro the great river of the world, the Euphrates).... Yet for those who have "Come out"- there is a river that makes glad the city of God"....they drink from the gently flowing river of Jerusalem, the river of peace that flows from "under the throne."(The wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peacable....James 3:17,18)

Babylon is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, in her are found all the wickedness of all the cities of the earth. I think it is a good time for people to move to the country if they can, in the natural(just an opinion).

In the spiritual, Babylon is becoming the haunt of jackals and every wild beast, "Get out of her my people....." as fast as you can ;o)


NOTE of interest: The Jordan river will run dry in 2011. At present it is running only sewage, because the water has been dammed and diverted by Israel, Jordan and Syria.(sounds like the worldly church- no water, flowing out only sewage, having dammed up the living water)

In the 19th and early 20th century, 1.3 billion cubic meters of water cascaded each year down rapids and rolled over waterfalls on the way down to the lowest point on Earth – the Dead Sea.

In 2009, just 20 m.cu.m. to 30 m.cu.m of water pooled and sluggishly flowed through the river's channels – all of it sewage. Sewage runs from Israel, the Palestinian Authority and Jordan into the river. However, two new sewage treatment plants, one in the Beit She'an area and the other in the Jordan Valley Regional Council area, are set to begin operating over the next year and a half(will have the appearance of more water....but will really be just more sewage).

It will take 400 million cu.m of fresh water , released from the dams, to restore it.

[Beloved Servant]

Wow, we're having church today!
Praise you Lord.

[Molly]

NOTE of interest: The Jordan river will run dry in 2011. At present it is running only sewage, because the water has been dammed and diverted by Israel, Jordan and Syria.(sounds like the worldly church- no water, flowing out only sewage, having dammed up the living water)

Yikes.  The waters are going to be cut off, as they were when Joshua crossed the Jordan--from Adam to the dead sea. :mshock:

[jabcat]

I've wondered exactly what getting out means, what the plagues are, and how a believer would be affected by them if they didn't get out...

My own personal experience was to hear Him calling me out of institutionalized religion.  But it may be more than that (getting institutionalized religion out of me) as well as other situations and applications.  Thoughts on what it means to you, and what exactly might happen to someone not out, and "tasting of the plagues"?

So based on your post John;  to be caught up in the slumber?  To not be used, not be blest?  To not know Him intimately?

But would these be categorized as "plagues"?  Or might it still be something else?  Maybe actual punishment/painful correction as well?  Maybe.  

[eaglesway]

If the Lord is saying 'get out ASAP' it could mean any or all of those things, but in my experience He always sends confirmation (in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established). Sometimes one word, or dream, or vision gets me to look up and begin seeking- then as I continue in His word the truth sets me free, or the meaning or direction comes clear. Of course, I believe He is urgently calling all who have ears to hear to get out of the world and into the Spirit in general- to be wise virgins.

[Beloved Servant]

Jeremiah 3:14 (Amplified Bible)

Return, O faithless children [of the whole twelve tribes], says the Lord, for I am Lord and Master and Husband to you, and
I will take you [not as a nation, but individually] —
one from a city and two from a tribal family--and I will bring you to Zion.



Jeremiah 3:22 (Amplified Bible)

Return, O faithless sons, [says the Lord, and] I will heal your faithlessness.
[And they answer]
Behold, we come to You, for You are the Lord our God.



Luke 15:20-22 (Amplified Bible)

So he got up and came to his Father.
But while he was still a long way off, his Father saw him and was moved with pity and tenderness for him; and he ran and embraced him and kissed Him [fervently].

And the son said to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight;
I am no longer worthy to be called your son!

But the Father said to his bond servants,
Bring quickly the best robe (the robe of honor) and put it on him; and give him a ring for his hand and sandals for his feet.

[eaglesway]

The Lord is so beautiful, His word as sweet as honey

[thinktank]

NOTE of interest: The Jordan river will run dry in 2011. At present it is running only sewage, because the water has been dammed and diverted by Israel, Jordan and Syria.(sounds like the worldly church- no water, flowing out only sewage, having dammed up the living water)

Yikes.  The waters are going to be cut off, as they were when Joshua crossed the Jordan--from Adam to the dead sea. :mshock:

Perhaps it is setting the stage for the drying up of the river euphrates

[marie glen]

In Revelation it states;  Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen... And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached onto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities... Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire...

Some say Babylon is mainstream Christianity.  Some say it's a business/world system that's somehow against God.  Some say it's generally 'confusion'.

What do you think it is?
What then do you consider the plagues of it to be; the death, mourning, and famine;  burned with fire?  Some say that it's literal, some even say it has to do with 9/11.  Many say it's all spiritual and/or figurative...if that's your take, then what do you think it means, i.e., the system, the plagues, the destruction?  Future, past, not time bound, etc?  Somehow a revelation of what Jesus is doing in each individual?

When God called me out of mainstream religion, He clearly used a writing in the Forward of the Christian Bible (1991) regarding coming out of Babylon as an institutionalized religious system, to confirm His desire for me to break away from denominationalism.  However, for all I know, it could have various related meanings, or a general meaning of anything rooted in confusion that's against God's will.  I don't know.  What are your thoughts?

hi! I lean toward thinking Bible prophecy is a repeating pattern.. that there was a babylon (the great) in former times (babylon itself/its religion) and the RCC in the day of inquisitions.. but think of its guise in what's called 'latter days' as a global (gold based system) that leads the world astray by its own particular 'latter days' seduction (of using harlotry to sell, sell everything from necessities to luxuries right down to the bodies and souls of men/and women-rev18- and she holds a golden cup full of her abominations/side effects of murders, perversions, abductions, sex slave, disease, crime, etc-rev 17. I think of her as based on the title written on her forehead "mystery babylon" babble on.. mystery babble, meaning as you've written confusion.. all confusion, i.e. untruth, as revelation says she's responsible for all blood shed upon earth, which I take to mean since Cain slew Abel, meaning said confusion (untruth) has been around for a very long time, longer than the RCC or a based upon gold selling system.. Strong's concordance shows the root of the word "harlot" as being "pornos" and "to sell".
- Denominationalism with all its division certainly, to me, would be included in the word "confusion" and a babble... But I think of THE harlot of 'latter days' (or the fully grown and progressed harlot spirit/trend/'god' of the air) to be a global gold based system that leads the world astray through its using harlotry to sell, and through its widespread pornos (influence).. Showing satan to be ultimately behind the system especially in 'latter days' when it is said to sit on seven hills (continents? having gone global).
- Babylon also (I've heard) was the first to develop a coin or monetary system.

[shawn]

I think it's distinctly possible that much like the Kingdom of God is in our hearts and minds so can be Babylon.  I believe Babylon would be carnal, worldly, self seeking, and materialistic living.  I believe it is a call to life and life more abundantly.  I believe it's another way of saying be ye seperate.

[shawn]

I've wondered exactly what getting out means, what the plagues are, and how a believer would be affected by them if they didn't get out...

My own personal experience was to hear Him calling me out of institutionalized religion.  But it may be more than that (getting institutionalized religion out of me) as well as other situations and applications.  Thoughts on what it means to you, and what exactly might happen to someone not out, and "tasting of the plagues"?

So based on your post John;  to be caught up in the slumber?  To not be used, not be blest?  To not know Him intimately?

But would these be categorized as "plagues"?  Or might it still be something else?  Maybe actual punishment/painful correction as well?  Maybe. 

Is there anything worse?  To not know God intimately is to have a form of godliness but to deny it's power.  It's just another path to destruction.  In my opinion, we are talking about carnal Christianity here.   Living carnally is a punishment all in itself.  You thirst but are never satisfied.  Your steps are paved with anxiety and confusion.  Your nights do not give you rest.  I consider his correction a blessing not a curse.  He is using correction to deliver us from this sort of living and to call us to maturity.

[shawn]

If the Lord is saying 'get out ASAP' it could mean any or all of those things, but in my experience He always sends confirmation (in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established). Sometimes one word, or dream, or vision gets me to look up and begin seeking- then as I continue in His word the truth sets me free, or the meaning or direction comes clear. Of course, I believe He is urgently calling all who have ears to hear to get out of the world and into the Spirit in general- to be wise virgins.

Amen.

[LS]

I think it's distinctly possible that much like the Kingdom of God is in our hearts and minds so can be Babylon.  I believe Babylon would be carnal, worldly, self seeking, and materialistic living.  I believe it is a call to life and life more abundantly.  I believe it's another way of saying be ye seperate.

:goodpost: Amen - that is what I believe as well!

A sincere question to those who believe it is religion or churches ... if that is the case, why does Revelation begin with letters to churches, pointing out some things "against" them but also pointing out things in their favor and complimenting what they get right?  I've never quite understood that view, and probably there is a simple answer  :mblush:

[marie glen]

I believe there was a real Babylon. I also believe it's in the human heart. And believe that all of life is a lesson and an allegory, yet is real, and I believe the Kingdom of God is more than just in our hearts and that good/God will thoroughly triumph and all the universe will be restored to paradise and that God will literally overthrow all untruth both in the human heart and in the world and He will literally "tabernacle with man" and so will the earth and all things be literally made new, along with all human (and angel) hearts. I believe life is quite literal. And we are simply learning (deeply and beyond a doubt) good from evil which is also life from death, which is nonlife, the result of imperfection/sin, the opposite of God/Life/Perfection. Logic and simplicity, to me, always trumps confusion.. The greatest logic being God is life and also perfection. Imperfection is the opposite of life, hence a savior was needed to rescue from death, the grave, erroneously translated 'hell', and its cause, imperfection (but hey He could have chosen to never endow thinking ability.. ever.. anywhere.. but He's wiser than that and an ant farm isn't what he's after..) I think not recognizing that we are "dust" and perceiving death as another form of life and hell as other than death/nonlife, causes confusion.. And a little leaven (confusion) leavens the whole lump, i.e. robs the message of its great saving (convincing) POWER. Hence the UR gospel goes for a large part unheard..
:girlheart:

[eaglesway]

A few observations on the view from Babylon, versus the view from Zion

Babylon- By the rivers of Babylon, There we sat down and wept, When we remembered Zion. Upon the willows in the midst of it We hung our harps. For there our captors demanded of us songs, And our tormentors mirth, saying, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion." How can we sing the LORD'S song In a foreign land? If I forget you, O Jerusalem, May my right hand forget her skill.
(Psa 137:1-5)

Zion- A Song of Ascents. When the LORD brought back the captive ones of Zion, We were like those who dream. Then our mouth was filled with laughter And our tongue with joyful shouting; Then they said among the nations, "The LORD has done great things for them." The LORD has done great things for us; We are glad. Restore our captivity, O LORD, As the streams in the South. Those who sow in tears shall reap with joyful shouting.
(Psa 126:1-5)

Babylon- The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
(Rev 17:4-5)


Zion- But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
(Heb 12:22-24)


Babylon is the head of gold, a pure monarchy, the glory of man reigning. Babylon is "confusion by mixture", the saints in captivity, having lost possession of the promises of the inheritance of the saints in the light.

Zion is the little "living stone", "petra", a tabernacle of the Spirit- all glory to God, none left for man, the members of the body joined together under the headship of Jesus, filled with the spirit and functioning in service and edification- "for the building up of itself in love"

Babylon is mixture, Zion is purity

Babylon-   But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.
(Jas 3:14-16)

Zion-  But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
(Jas 3:17-18)

Babylon is carnality/chaos/confusion-
      But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
(1Co 2:14)
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?
(1Co 3:1-3)

Zion is the high situation of Jerusalem, joy of the whole earth-
      In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory. For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
(Eph 1:8-23)

[jabcat]

 :thumbsup:  Praise God!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen to that! Thank you Father..... :thumbsup:

[Molly]

There is a book called, Secrets of the Temple.  It has nothing to do with anything we would tend to call religion.  It is about the monetary system, and its high priests who are bankers.

There is an organization called The Honourable Society of the Inner Temple.  It has nothing to do with anything we would tend to call religion.  It is about the legal system and its high priests who are lawyers.

The Honourable Society of the Inner Temple, commonly known as Inner Temple, is one of the four Inns of Court (professional associations for barristers and judges) in London. To be called to the Bar and practise as a barrister in England and Wales, an individual must belong to one of these Inns. It is located in the wider Temple area of the capital, near the Royal Courts of Justice, and within the City of London.

--Wikipedia



Mystery Babylon hides in plain site.  We are so embedded in its system that we cannot even see it.  But, it controls every aspect of our lives.  It is the financial/legal system which runs the world, complete with a hierarchy of priests and high priests.  What is more remarkable is that those who run this system consider themselves as such.  They worship the god of this world.

Its crimes are so horrible, and are everywhere to be seen, yet we cannot see them because they are so much a part of our daily lives.

Jesus tells us we cannot serve two masters.  Most of us do not even realize the master we are serving with every waking thought.  The city which is fallen in the book of Revelation is a system in which people live, [even as we look forward to a city--a system-- which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.]  It will fall in one day.  What's worse, the very thought of that strikes fear into our hearts because we have not yet 'come out of her.'



"mystery" [Babylon]

G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: It's true......Babylon is not just the so called religious world. It's any man-made system that usurps the Headship of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think the dream I had about 4 years ago of 6 men in white shirts and black pants, all dressed alike, counting money around a table/altar like they were chanting in religious fervor, was Him showing me the principalities in the financial Babylon. There was a feeling of pure evil around them. And yes, their kingdom too must fall. Blessings...

[thinktank]

The physical manifestation of mystery babylon has been a mystery for centuries, but if one takes simple faith in what the lord said and trust his words, the exact identity of her is revealed. Once you take this on board you will be amazed at how old testmant prophecies match up with her and the parallels used.

It is a challenge though to put all the pieces together, it has taken me years to put just some of the pieces together.

I think that what most here have said it true on a spiritual basis, but what is spirit does manifest itself in the natural realm, and mystery babylon will manifest herself, once she has fallen and become a cage of every foul bird. Right now she is only a partial manifestation, that will manifest her evil in full, when she has fallen from grace.

I believe most bible scholars have overlooked her identity, because their minds think it is impossible, for they think with their natural minds and so dismiss the idea.
:2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Can you be a little more specific, TT? Thanks  :thumbsup:

[thinktank]

The answer is found within the text of revelation, let the bible interpret the bible.

What does God says she is?

But it's a mystery, because there is a spirit behind it. The same thing can manifest good and evil, depending on the spirit driving it.

After you find out what she is, you can then figure out which one. This is also contained in the same book.

I've got much more evidence that points to her identity, but I thought I'd show you the basic signpost, that most dismiss, probably because it's too simple.

[eaglesway]

Some other perspectives on the views from Zion/Jerusalem vs the view from Babylon, insights into the sons and daughters of Zion and the sons and daughters of Babylon


BABYLON-
"You, O king, were looking and behold, there was a single great statue; that statue, which was large and of extraordinary splendor, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was awesome. "The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. "You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
(Dan 2:31-35)

Daniel saw the vision. The statue of the kingdoms of the earth from Babylon until the coming of Messiah and His Kingdom.

ZION-
I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire; and he had in his hand a little book which was open. He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land; and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder uttered their voices. When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them." Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets. Then the voice which I heard from heaven, I heard again speaking with me, and saying, "Go, take the book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the land." So I went to the angel, telling him to give me the little book. And he *said to me, "Take it and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey." I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; and when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. And they *said to me, "You must prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and kings."
(Rev 10:1-11)

What John saw was not a statue. It is the ONE NEW MAN(Eph 2:15). A manchild caught up to the throne(Eph 2:6,7). Head in heaven(Eph 1:22). Clothed with a cloud(Heb 12:1). Composed of those who eat the word, in whom the mystery of God is finished........

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
(Eph 4:11-13)

The full grown messenger, "come down out of heaven", revealed among men..... "I am the bread that comes down out of heaven"......"take and eat"......

For all those who He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren, and those who he predestined, he also called, and those who He called He also justified, and those who He justified, He also glorified. What then shall we say to all these things? If God is for us, who shall be against us?

The little stone, cut without hands, to become a mountain(Zion) filling the whole earth.... a city with foundations in the heavens, made without hands, whose builder and maker is God(Jerusalem)..... a tabernacle of living stones, bound together in the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace, a habitation of God in the spirit.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God. The seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by them that make peace.

How blessed is the man whose strength is in You, In whose heart are the highways to Zion! Passing through the valley of Baca(tears/sorrow) they make it a spring; The early rain also covers it with blessings. They go from strength to strength, Every one of them appears before God in Zion.
(Psa 84:5-7)

The foreknown are the sons who are called, justified, glorified..... carrying the ministry of reconciliation....setting the whole creation free into their liberty.... "Behold I make all things new".

BABYLON-
The sons of the adversary, the tares, tower over the "wheat" and bear no fruit unto eternity. By their fruit you shall know them. Full of pride and empty boasting,
"comparing themselves with themselves and measuring themselves by themselves they show that they have no understanding"(2 Cor 10). Vaunting against one another, spots on our love feasts, whose god is their appetite for glory-when they ought be ashamed. The "old man" and his works resurrected- twice dead, plucked up by the roots..... the rulers of Babylon

Jude 1:6- "...messengers who did not keep their own principality, but leave their proper dwelling, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day."

If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart do not be arrogant and lie against the truth, this wisdom is not from above....it is earthly, soulish, demonic.

ZION vs. BABYLON
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
(Rom 12:1-5)



"Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? "Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
(Mat 3:5-12)

Prepare the way of the Lord, make His paths straight...... We thank you Lord for the axe and the fire and the winnowing fork..... We thank you for the separation, the purging and the wind that carries away the chaff.....

"MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble, and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed. Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.

For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, "IF EVEN A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT WILL BE STONED." And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, "I AM FULL OF FEAR and trembling." But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. (Heb 12:3-24)

ZION REIGNS!!!!!
This is the mountain that will fill the whole earth, it began with a little stone, "I believe you are the Messiah, the Son of God", born not of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but born of the will of God....eaters of the Word, breakers of the bread of life, partakers of the bread that comes down out of the heavens... partakers of the divine nature.

Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
(1Pe 1:22-23)

Want to know who the called and chosen are? They all appear before God in Zion! They go from strength to strength! They sow in peace with them that make peace! You shall know them by their fruits!

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 :cloud9: Love your posts, Eaglesway.... :thumbsup: