Just why is living so important

[shawn]

Doctors are God's angels on earth.

I know this because when I asked Jesus to send me legions of angels, he sent ten people, five of whom were doctors.

Jesus came to give us life and give it to us abundantly.

To that end, he has given us modern medicine.  It is a gift.  Use it and Praise God.


John 10:10
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

It reminds me of a joke I heard about a man stuck on his roof during a flood praying to God for deliverance.  A boat came by, a chopper but he refused waiting for God to physically lift him from the roof.  When he went to heaven he asked God why he didn't deliver him.  God stated that he sent a boat and a chopper.

God uses others in physical and spiritual healing.  It's the reason God made us with strengths and weaknesses.  Its so we need to rely on each other for what we don't have.  We are not to just need God but to need those around us.  I truly believe that.

Micah I'm sure you have a very good reason to be angry with physicians.  But, if you are honest you know that physicians relieve some of the suffering on earth.  And I can't see how that is bad.

[micah7:9]

No, and no again. No.

[micah7:9]

so now this life that is given more abundantly is that this earthy, natural, dying life? Or does it speak of spirit life? Life in the Spirit more abundantly? I am quite curious.

I think it's both.  Jesus healed both physically and spiritually.

And isnt 10 far different from legions?

Yeah, but it was all that was needed.  These were world class angels. :happygrin:

What was their message if I may ask. Angels are but messengars as far as my understanding goes, they brought you your answer to your situation and circumstance I take it?

[micah7:9]

To whom it may concern, I have no anger nor ill thoughts against any physican. I believe they have a place and do their job and most do it well. My only thought is that man has evolved( and I use that word with intent) in depending on the physcian first and then, should things go arwy, then one turns to THE  HEALER, in hopes that the Healer will do what the man needs to be done. It is by His, The Healer's WILL that things get done. Man, because of physicans today and their wonderous works, seek the physcian first and THEN The Healer.

[shawn]

To whom it may concern, I have no anger nor ill thoughts against any physican. I believe they have a place and do their job and most do it well. My only thought is that man has evolved( and I use that word with intent) in depending on the physcian first and then, should things go arwy, then one turns to THE  HEALER, in hopes that the Healer will do what the man needs to be done. It is by His, The Healer's WILL that things get done. Man, because of physicans today and their wonderous works, seek the physcian first and THEN The Healer.

Now, that makes sense.  I would agree with you.  Many times people go to the lesser healers first and not to the source of healing.  I must admit I am guilty of going to the bottle of tylenol before I go to prayer for a headache. 

[WhiteWings]

Used 39 translations and found these when I looked up saviour, there are probably many more verses using saviour but I would go with saviour over "haelende" "author of my life" "myn helthe""virifier" or "healer" (even tho He was)

I think that it can be stated as a fact that (almost) a translations newer than 1600 use Saviour. Translation is also a science. Perhaps proof was found Saviour fits best.

G4982 (BestLex)
σώζω
sōzō
Thayer Definition:
1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
1a) one (from injury or peril)
1a1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
1b1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
1b) to save in the technical biblical sense
1b1) negatively
1b1a) to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment
1b1b) to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe")
Citing in TDNT: 7:965, 1132

[WhiteWings]

In a way Jesus saves by healing. Jesus doesn't really save sinners. "all come to the knowledge of the truth".
In a way that knowledge is healing. And that healing leads to salvation...

[shawn]

In a way Jesus saves by healing. Jesus doesn't really safe sinners. "all come to the knowledge of the truth".
In a way that knowledge is healing. And that healing leads to salvation...

I'm feeling part of that.  I do believe Jesus saves sinners.  But, the natural consequence of sin is death....we grow ill in our sins, diseased, waste away and perish.  Knowledge is certainly healing because it's the first step in any change.  Without knowledge that we need Christ, that we are dead in sin...we can not seek his face.  The word is the source of healing.  It is our instruction book to health. 

[Molly]

What was their message if I may ask.

The message as I interpreted was--We have been sent by God [as his right hand] to make sure you LIVE and live abundantly.


"angel"

H4397
מלאך
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger


Psalm 138:7

Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me.

[micah7:9]

In a way Jesus saves by healing. Jesus doesn't really save sinners. "all come to the knowledge of the truth".
In a way that knowledge is healing. And that healing leads to salvation...

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

It is interesting as Ive posted some time ago that the words " save and body" avery closely related. 
G4983 sōma the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave. From G4982  sōzō  to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

I feel that they are almost interchangeable, the body "is a sound whole" when saved, delivered, healed.
My  :2c:

[WhiteWings]

Not that odd because healing is done on bodies. But still interesting. Just as the linked meanings shown below.
(Matthew 4:23) And Jesus was going about all Galilee teaching in their synagogues, and proclaiming the good news of the reign, and healing every disease, and every malady among the people,


θεραπεύω
therapeúō; fut. therapeúsō, from therápōn (G2324), attendant, servant. To wait upon, minister to, render voluntary service, heal, but primarily signifies to serve as therápōn.
(I) In the pass., in Act 17:25, "Neither is worshiped [therapeúetai, served, ministered to] with men's hands, as though he needed anything."
(II) To take care of the sick, to tend with the more general meaning of to relieve, heal, cure (Mat 4:24; Mat 12:10; Mar 1:34; Luk 6:7; Luk 10:9); with the gen. and apó (G575), from (Luk 7:21; Luk 8:2) followed by the acc. of disease (Mat 4:23). In Rev 13:3 of the healing of the wound. Therapeúō means to heal miraculously in Mat 4:23-24; Mat 10:1, Mat 10:8; Act 4:14.
Deriv.: therapeía (G2322), service.
Syn.: iáomai (G2390), to heal; sṓzō (G4982), to save, rescue; diasṓzō (G1295), to bring safely through, preserve, maintain.
Ant.: asthenéō (G770), to be diseased, without strength; páschō (G3958), to suffer; hupophérō (G5297), to undergo hardship, endure; basanízomai (G928), to suffer pain, torture, to be vexed.
θεραπεύω
therapeuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to serve, do service
2) to heal, cure, restore to health
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from the same as G2324
Citing in TDNT: 3:128, 331
θεράπων
therapōn
Thayer Definition:
1) an attendant, servant: of God
1a) spoken of Moses discharging the duties committed to him by God
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: apparently a participle from an otherwise obsolete derivative of the base of G2330
Citing in TDNT: 3:132, 331

[micah7:9]

Yes Amen. How much sicker or unhealthy can a body get than dying? Yes, Jesus came to save,  and that saving in essence is healing. I think when we understand more deeply that "getting saved" is not a trip to heaven, but a healing process that is taking place in our dying dead body. Praise the Lord and His Grace.

[WhiteWings]

Micah did you notice "serve" is the primairy meaning of the word?
Often long chains of words can be made by following strong numbers.
Surely is fun but a good thing to do? :dontknow:

[Molly]

11Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

--Psa 42


"health"

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.


King David knew Jesus.

For I shall yet praise him, who is the face of Yeshu'ah, and my God.

[micah7:9]

Micah did you notice "serve" is the primairy meaning of the word?
Often long chains of words can be made by following strong numbers.
Surely is fun but a good thing to do? :dontknow:

Yes. As He did for the whole world, an obiedient servant, for the worlds healing. He served us and  now my body(slave-servant) must become subject, serving unto Him.

[thinktank]

"I think people do die before their time as quoted in the book of proverbs.."Thinktank

Where do people die before their time? I dont believe anyone dies before their time.

Of course people die before their time, drug addicts etc.

[shawn]

"I think people do die before their time as quoted in the book of proverbs.."Thinktank

Where do people die before their time? I dont believe anyone dies before their time.

Of course people die before their time, drug addicts etc.

Well according to some God made them take drugs so they died exactly how God planned it.  We are just puppets on a string and God placed the crack pipe in his mouth.   :mshock:

When you spell out this kind of thinking you see how utterly ridiculous it is. 

[micah7:9]

"I think people do die before their time as quoted in the book of proverbs.."Thinktank

Where do people die before their time? I dont believe anyone dies before their time.

Of course people die before their time, drug addicts etc.

Well according to some God made them take drugs so they died exactly how God planned it.  We are just puppets on a string and God placed the crack pipe in his mouth.   :mshock:

When you spell out this kind of thinking you see how utterly ridiculous it is. 

And your statements are just that utterly ridiculous.

[shawn]

"I think people do die before their time as quoted in the book of proverbs.."Thinktank

Where do people die before their time? I dont believe anyone dies before their time.

Of course people die before their time, drug addicts etc.

Well according to some God made them take drugs so they died exactly how God planned it.  We are just puppets on a string and God placed the crack pipe in his mouth.   :mshock:

When you spell out this kind of thinking you see how utterly ridiculous it is. 

And your statements are just that utterly ridiculous.

That wasn't directed at you Micah.  Not sure why you would take offense. 

[micah7:9]

Then I will stand corrected and apolgize for the misunderstanding.

[shawn]

Then I will stand corrected and apolgize for the misunderstanding.

Not a problem brother.