Did the catholic church make up the distinction between mortal and venial sins?

[DaneClark]

Could anyone help me find some evidence that the whole thing was made up by the catholic church?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I'm sure someone will be along to answer you, but could you elaborate a little on what you mean? Not coming from a Catholic background, it's not clear to me. Thanks.....

[DaneClark]

Mortal Sin - it's subject is a grave matter, it was committed with full knowledge that was a mortal sin, and was committed with deliberate and complete consent, condemns
one to hell.

Venial Sin - Any sin that doesn't meet all the requirements of a mortal sin, condemns one to purgatory.

I'm worried that God will stop listening to my prayers because I did something that the Catholic Church considers a mortal sin, knowing that it was a mortal sin, and did with deleberate consent (i won't go into details but it begins with m)

[Beloved Servant]

     Because of the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ you can boldly walk straight up to the throne of God and talk to Him man to Glorified Man.

[LS]

Mortal Sin - it's subject is a grave matter, it was committed with full knowledge that was a mortal sin, and was committed with deliberate and complete consent, condemns
one to hell.

Venial Sin - Any sin that doesn't meet all the requirements of a mortal sin, condemns one to purgatory.

I'm worried that God will stop listening to my prayers because I did something that the Catholic Church considers a mortal sin, knowing that it was a mortal sin, and did with deleberate consent (i won't go into details but it begins with m)

Hi Dane.  First - you do know that a mortal sin can be forgiven, right?  You say the church considers what you did a mortal sin ... what do you think? Do you feel you've sinned? Is it something you feel a need to confess and repent of, or not really? 

Those are things only you can answer, between you & the Holy Spirit.  But I can tell you where the teaching comes from; you can decide for yourself if it is a sound teaching or not.

1 John 5:16-17 is the basis for this teaching: "If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.  All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly."

There are other passages that support the idea of "not all sins are equal," including Jesus' words in John 19:11: "Jesus answered (him), You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above. For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin."

Here is a pretty good article about the topic, if you're interested in more.

I urge you to be still, speak with Him; He will guide you on this.   :grouppray:

[LS]

Because of the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ you can boldly walk straight up to the throne of God and talk to Him man to Glorified Man.

amen

[Beloved Servant]

Don't be shy.

[Nathan]

Not sure if it'd be sound ground to build on with the idea of greater or lesser sins . . .because other passages elude to the fact if you break one law, you've broken all of them.  I would also challenge you to consider what kind of relationship you have with the Father . . .is it a personal one between you and the Father, or is it based on other men's requirements, restrictions, permissions.

Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

The foundation God is buiding in us is not one of judgment and condemnation, but one of grace.  Religion has not yet embraced this.

[peacemaker]

The Catholic Church may rule over their un-biblical Hell teachings; but they do not control the SPIRIT.

When you were dead in your transgressions and the un-circumcision of your flesh, the SPIRIT made you alive together with Christ,
having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile
to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Does that mean we should continue to sin, missing the mark?

Of course not, there are still consequences associated with them in this life when brought before the magistrates charged with the
administration of the law of the land. Now, is judgment brought upon you, but we will all face the grave matter for death is a given.

peacemaker

[DaneClark]

If the stuff that Catholics about penance and mortal sin was made up, then why did going to confession make ke feel more peaceful today?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Because you believe it.....start washing your mind with the water of the Word, and you'll be surprised what you see.....blessings....

[thinktank]

If the stuff that Catholics about penance and mortal sin was made up, then why did going to confession make ke feel more peaceful today?

Confess your sins and he is faithfull and just to forgive.

I think one thing the catholics do well is confession, I think confession is a great tool that the bible says to do. Most Christians make confessions but only few confess before men. Confessing before God is much easier than men, but scripture says that confessing before men is also an option. I think its similar to sabath day keeping, you don't have to do it but those that do get a special blessing. :2c:

[peacemaker]

"Confess, one to another; and forgive, one another."

My apologies, if I do not confess before you.  :laughing7:
Never could bring myself to kiss another man's hand.

peacemaker

[peacemaker]

:cloud9: Because you believe it.....start washing your mind with the water of the Word, and you'll be surprised what you see.....blessings....

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         Now, that's a truth with a promise.

[LS]

If the stuff that Catholics about penance and mortal sin was made up, then why did going to confession make ke feel more peaceful today?

Confess your sins and he is faithfull and just to forgive.

I think one thing the catholics do well is confession, I think confession is a great tool that the bible says to do. Most Christians make confessions but only few confess before men. Confessing before God is much easier than men, but scripture says that confessing before men is also an option.

:thumbsup:  :goodpost:

DaneClark, I'm really glad you were able to go to confession and feel at peace.   :grouppray:

peacemaker, I'm a little puzzled by your comment about kissing another man's hand ... I've never in my life done that either.  :dontknow: 

[Nathan]

I'm not one that holds the literal "confessing" all that tightly.  I don't think that when Scripture states "confess your sins one to another" that it means I'm to go to my priest or pastor and confess sins that have nothing to do with them.  We have the ability to go boldly to the throne when the Spirit brings conviction within us . . .however . . what I do believe it's implying is, if I have ought against a brother, it's that brother that I'm to go and confess to . .that's the "one to another" part of it.

It does the brother who's been offended by me no good if I go to my priest and admit I've offended my brother.  The healing can come when I go to my brother and allow him to forgive me and me to forgive him.

As far as confessing to the father . . ."the that believes in his heart and confesses with his mouth . . ."  I don't think the confessing is what brings the transformation.  I think the confessing is the evidence that a transformation is already taking place.  I "believe" inwardly and as I do, it manifests "outwardly".  It creates the atmosphere for the completion in the natural of what God has already completed in the spiritual. 

[jabcat]

Good post, Nathan, I agree.  Confessing to another person may bring some comfort or relief (as in, talking about our problems, admitting and facing what we've done, etc.) and help us on our way.  But I believe forgiveness comes when we confess to Jesus, Who is our Mediator between us and the Father. 

[jabcat]

I may be wrong, I'm not nor have ever been Catholic.  But I personally believe mortal sin is a man-made term that can't be found in the scriptures.   :2c:

There's evidence the ruling religion used such things to control the masses, including stealing their money and enforcing the "church's" power.  The answers are in The Book as revealed by the Spirit, which is one reason that for years, the masses were discouraged from reading and knowing the scriptures - often only encouraged to follow what was handed down to them from the fraud who was attempting to stand in the place of Jesus (Jesus is our direct Mediator, while as David said, we approach the throne of grace boldly - based on the death and life of Jesus).

Jesus said to take His yoke upon you and learn of HIM - that His yoke is easy and His burden is light.   :bigGrin:  There's only 1 Father.  Thank You Father.

[LS]

I certainly don't believe you "must" confess to another person in order to be forgiven.

But there also is nothing "wrong" with doing so, and I can tell you there are many blessings associated with it. 

When you are preparing to make a good confession, it is humbling (in a good way). It causes you to spend time reflecting and searching yourself, and without fail brings forth true feelings of sorrow for having sinned against God.  I know of no other moment that I literally feel washed clean and white as snow, as I do immediately after a confession.

We all say it's good to confess sins, but I know that for myself I tend to notice the "big" or "obvious" moments, and often miss the repeated attitudes or more subtle moments of sinfulness. Those come to light when preparing for confession.

Again, I don't condemn anyone who does not confess their sins to each other; but I hope you all don't condemn people who choose to.

[jabcat]

Hi LS.  I can't condemn anyone, I can only share what I believe the scriptures teach.  We each face God individually.

If anyone "believes in their heart and confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus"/calls on the name of the Lord to be saved, they are my brother or sister.  

[peacemaker]

peacemaker, I'm a little puzzled by your comment about kissing another man's hand ... I've never in my life done that either.  :dontknow: 

No condemnation meant, but I could never say "Your Holiness" or "Most Holy Father" to another man, nor would
I bow down on one knee and kiss his ring, then again, I'm also not Catholic. Hope that cleared up the confusion.

peacemaker

[peacemaker]

"Confess, one to another; and forgive, one another."

I'm not one that holds the literal "confessing" all that tightly.  I don't think that when Scripture states "confess your sins one to another" that it means I'm to go to my priest or pastor and confess sins that have nothing to do with them.  We have the ability to go boldly to the throne when the Spirit brings conviction within us . . .however . . what I do believe it's implying is, if I have ought against a brother, it's that brother that I'm to go and confess to . .that's the "one to another" part of it.

It does the brother who's been offended by me no good if I go to my priest and admit I've offended my brother.  The healing can come when I go to my brother and allow him to forgive me and me to forgive him.

As far as confessing to the father . . ."the that believes in his heart and confesses with his mouth . . ."  I don't think the confessing is what brings the transformation.  I think the confessing is the evidence that a transformation is already taking place.  I "believe" inwardly and as I do, it manifests "outwardly".  It creates the atmosphere for the completion in the natural of what God has already completed in the spiritual.

:thumbsup:

[LS]

peacemaker, I'm a little puzzled by your comment about kissing another man's hand ... I've never in my life done that either.  :dontknow: 

No condemnation meant, but I could never say "Your Holiness" or "Most Holy Father" to another man, nor would
I bow down on one knee and kiss his ring, then again, I'm also not Catholic. Hope that cleared up the confusion.

peacemaker

Sort of; I just don't know if you are thinking those are common things for Catholics to say & do, but they are not; again, I've never done any of those things.  The ideas some people have of the catholic church sometimes surprise me.

[Beloved Servant]

We kissed the Bishops ring when he came to visit our school.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: My mother's mother became a Catholic, had the kids go, they talked of having to kiss some bishop's ring, too......perhaps it's gone out of "fashion" now?  :dontknow: