http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEjxfUK5r9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEjxfUK5r9A) This guy uses "Christian Rap" as an example how a wolf looks in sheeps clothing. And how not to worship like the heathen worships. Don't do as the heathen and say you are doing it for Yahweh. Yahweh is very explicit on how He will be worshiped. Yahweh gets all the glory in everything. Worship to Him will be on His terms which He makes very clear in His Word.
The heathen sends his child into the surrounding neighborhood looking like a zombie or a serial killer on the most pagan holiday. Holiday means Holy day. That is how they worship their god. Yahweh will not be mocked.
I'm not sure if you're posting this to say that you agree or disagree (or are undecided).
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on November 06, 2013, 04:20:41 AM
Yahweh is very explicit on how He will be worshiped. Yahweh gets all the glory in everything. Worship to Him will be on His terms which He makes very clear in His Word.
As far as musical composition goes, what are these terms? I'm not a fan of rap, but in its essence it's just continuous speaking with rhythm; I don't understand why this would be immoral. As far as rap being heathen, I don't know of a style of music that originated in the church (other than possibly Gregorian chants). I think that the musical style of traditional hymns was "cool" at one time.
I didn't watch the video (because I have heard many arguments against contemporary Christian music), so forgive me if these points were addressed there. If they were addressed I'll watch it.
I'm not a fan of rap because I think it's monotonous, but I think any music is simply a medium of expression. Lyrics carry a message. If the message praises God, it doesn't matter what kind of music is used. Just because some Satan worshipers like heavy metal music doesn't mean heavy metal Christian music is Satanic. Different folks like different music. I was raised on rock and roll, but then I got into blues, folk, bluegrass, country, jazz, and even some classical. I think the important thing is that whatever kind of music is used, the lyrics should be the evangel of God.
"God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth." (John 4:24)
to the unclean all things are unclean. Acts 19;12...and Jesus clothing being touched healed........
it depends on whaat spirit is using anything,as far as I see,brother.
I agree with you Tom, but I personally despise mainstream Christian music. I feel that many churches in attempt to modernize and worry more about entertainment than teaching sound doctrine. Modern Christian music I feel is very deceptive and often produced with a large profit in mind. In my opinion the music is usually terrible as well so there's no way I'm ever listening to it. I like some hymns and older church songs, but we need to be careful because many of them could contain an unsound message.
I personally am not as crazy about Christmas anymore like I used to be, but I do enjoy a lot of Christmas hymns, and I enjoy listening when they start coming on the radio this time of year. Although we need to be careful with those too. I watched a Martin Zender video where he pointed out some non scriptural heresy in some of the more well known Christmas carols. The funny thing is though there are some hymns that do have the message of UR so the congregations sing that, and then they listen to the preacher tell them they're all going to hell.
One thing I like about worship music, and hymns, is that sometimes they accidentally proclaim God's sovereign ability to have everyone saved. While maybe not explicitly, the music I sang in my old church presented a strong, capable, loving, sovereign God capable of doing everything he needs to perfect his creation and create man in his own image. Then you get to the preaching and it all falls apart.
Quote from: Warhawk17 on November 07, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
MY (JBERTON) RESONSE IN REDI agree with you Tom, but I personally despise mainstream Christian music.
ME TOO! I feel that many churches in attempt to modernize and worry more about entertainment than teaching sound doctrine. Modern Christian music I feel is very deceptive and often produced with a large profit in mind. :iagree: In my opinion the music is usually terrible as well so there's no way I'm ever listening to it. I like some hymns and older church songs, but we need to be careful because many of them could contain an unsound message.
ABSOLUTELY!I personally am not as crazy about Christmas anymore like I used to be, but I do enjoy a lot of Christmas hymns, and I enjoy listening when they start coming on the radio this time of year. Although we need to be careful with those too. I watched a Martin Zender video where he pointed out some non scriptural heresy in some of the more well known Christmas carols. The funny thing is though there are some hymns that do have the message of UR so the congregations sing that
ACTUALLY MY EX-CHURCH DID THAT WITH THE SONG "NOW IS THE TIME TO WORSHIP", WHERE IT SAYS, "ONE DAY EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS HE IS LORD, ONE DAY EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, STILL THE GREATEST TREASURE REMAINS FOR THOSE WHO GLADLY CHOOSE HIM NOW" - IT SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH THEY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY'RE SINGING , and then they listen to the preacher tell them they're all going to hell.
I was just thinking the other day about how I really hate the mainstream gospel music because of a funny, uncomfortable feeling it has always given me. I heard some such music recently and I felt a sense of oppression/depression in my soul. I couldn't wait to get away from that music! I had to question why it cast that darkness over me, and I think I know why now. Growing up in an ET preacher's home, dragged to church 3 or more times a week, and having had all that ET pumped into my brain - then my parents would listen to the mainstream gospel music (often Gaithers) for hours at a time and cassette tapes of other preachers preaching ET - It's no wonder I attached negative feelings to gospel music! Now I enjoy only a select few gospel songs, usually music produced in the last few years.
That's proof that ET repels people from the gospel!
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
I'm not sure this describes most ET churches. They
do unintentionally mix lies with truth, but they also
are believers, they
do worship, and they
do do good deeds in the name of Jesus.
I think your verse there applies more to
individuals within the churches who don't really have the love of Jesus in their hearts.
The term "in vain" means without purpose, or in folly. That's demonstrably true of the ET no matter their sincerity. It has nothing to do with sincerity. I worshiped in all sincerity and emotional love to the Lord, but I realized later, it was in vain because Christ's purpose is to save people from the doctrines my church was preaching. It goes beyond ET too, and gets into all sorts of commandments of men, like tithing, something else I submitted to while worshiping in folly.
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:31:29 PM
The term "in vain" means without purpose, or in folly. That's demonstrably true of the ET no matter their sincerity. It has nothing to do with sincerity. I worshiped in all sincerity and emotional love to the Lord, but I realized later, it was in vain because Christ's purpose is to save people from the doctrines my church was preaching. It goes beyond ET too, and gets into all sorts of commandments of men, like tithing, something else I submitted to while worshiping in folly.
I respectfully, but strongly, disagree.
That's ok. Disagreement is part of life. :HeartThrob: :friendstu:
I disagree because, by your logic, if there is any false doctrine within your entire belief system, then your worship is all in vain, no matter how sincere you are when you worship. You would have to be perfect in all your doctrine. I don't believe that is possible.
That's not what I said though. Don't forget the "commandments of men" part of that scripture. Being wrong about doctrine and seeking the heart of the Lord to find truth, is much different than following the commandments of men rather than Christ. Big difference.
In the greater context of Matthew 15, Jesus was addressing the Pharisees, who did not believe in him, nor accept him, at all. This context does not describe, nor apply to, our modern Christian churches.
I believe Jesus is speaking about the larger issue of following the commandments of men and teaching them for doctrines. Belief in Christ does not mean that those who circumcise themselves, for example, to make themselves right with God have not fallen away from growth in Grace. Belief in Christ and disobedience to his doctrines results in vain worship. It doesn't result in insincere worship. Just, worship that is done in folly. Anyone who believes in ET is in folly on that issue, and it's a major issue. I don't think that's a controversial point to say that ET is in folly. When they worship, they are worshiping in folly because they are spreading a false gospel, one that is of no effect because it is the result of the commandments of men, ie CREEDS.
And since when were the Pharisees worshiping Christ?
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
That's not what I said though. Don't forget the "commandments of men" part of that scripture. Being wrong about doctrine and seeking the heart of the Lord to find truth, is much different than following the commandments of men rather than Christ. Big difference.
I certainly agree that the doctrines of man are a huge problem. I left the organized church because of the false doctrine, the lies mixed with truth. My decision to leave the church (not the ecclesia) was of a great personal cost to me, but I know it was the Lord who was pulling me out. Still, I see the love in the hearts of those people around the community, I see their good deeds, and I have worshiped with them and know they are truly worshiping Yahweh, and that Yahweh accepts their worship as a whole. (That does not necessarily apply to every individual in that church.) But that church belongs to the Christ, and IMHO they do not worship him in vain.
Well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I believe, worshiping Christ, then following and spreading a false Gospel, to me is folly, and without effect.
I just don't understand how someone who "did not believe in him, nor accept him" would also be worshiping him. :Chinscratch:
Webster says folly means: (1) the lack of good sense or judgment, (2) a foolish act or idea, (3) foolish behavior.
The word "folly" definitely applies to the teaching of false doctrine like Et.
I don't see where it applies to a sincere believer worshiping his God, even is his doctrine is flawed.
Like I said, who among us does not have a flaw in our personal doctrines?
Quote from: jbertonbounds on November 07, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
Webster says folly means: (1) the lack of good sense or judgment, (2) a foolish act or idea, (3) foolish behavior.
The word "folly" definitely applies to the teaching of false doctrine like Et.
I don't see where it applies to a sincere believer worshiping his God, even is his doctrine is flawed.
Like I said, who among us does not have a flaw in our personal doctrines?
Because they are following the commandments of men...
Personal flaw in doctrines to a searching, humble Christian, is much different than rejecting God's word and following the commandments of men instead. When they stop following the commandments of men, they will reject their former creeds.
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
I just don't understand how someone who "did not believe in him, nor accept him" would also be worshiping him. :Chinscratch:
Matthew 15 was directed at the Pharisees, who were very religious and devout.
Yet they "worshiped in vain" because they didn't really know God's love because they did not have his love in their hearts.
Remember that the entire law is summed up in love.
Quote from: jbertonbounds on November 07, 2013, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
I just don't understand how someone who "did not believe in him, nor accept him" would also be worshiping him. :Chinscratch:
Matthew 15 was directed at the Pharisees, who were very religious and devout.
Yet they "worshiped in vain" because they didn't really know God's love because they did not have his love in their hearts.
Remember that the entire law is summed up in love.
So they did believe, and they did accept God, yet they worshiped in vain...
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: jbertonbounds on November 07, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
Webster says folly means: (1) the lack of good sense or judgment, (2) a foolish act or idea, (3) foolish behavior.
The word "folly" definitely applies to the teaching of false doctrine like Et.
I don't see where it applies to a sincere believer worshiping his God, even is his doctrine is flawed.
Like I said, who among us does not have a flaw in our personal doctrines?
Because they are following the commandments of men...
Personal flaw in doctrines to a searching, humble Christian, is much different than rejecting God's word and following the commandments of men instead. When they stop following the commandments of men, they will reject their former creeds.
I agree. There certainly are different degrees of error in different believers. Who is to say where to draw the line between those believers who worship in truth and those believers who worship in vain? Can a human really make that judgment?
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: jbertonbounds on November 07, 2013, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
I just don't understand how someone who "did not believe in him, nor accept him" would also be worshiping him. :Chinscratch:
Matthew 15 was directed at the Pharisees, who were very religious and devout.
Yet they "worshiped in vain" because they didn't really know God's love because they did not have his love in their hearts.
Their worship was just going through the motions, so to speak.
Remember that the entire law is summed up in love.
So they did believe, and they did accept God, yet they worshiped in vain...
The pharisees did not believe in Jesus, only God. Their belief was a head knowledge of God, not a saving belief in Jesus. They did not have his love in their hearts. They were mean, dishonest, proud, boastful, full of themselves, liars, slanderers, blasphemers, murderers, oppressors, etc. Although the teaching of ET does include some of these sins, today's Christians are nothing to compare to the Pharisees! They were evil!
I might be looking at this from a different perspective of what it means to worship in vain. It's not to say that God rejects their sincerity or doesn't have compassion. The question is how EFFECTIVE their worship is, if they are teaching people to be deathly afraid of God. If their worship songs go along with false preaching, then what good is the worship doing? At least, it's not doing a bit of good for the world.
QuoteThe pharisees did not believe in Jesus, only God. Their belief was a head knowledge of God, not a saving belief in Jesus. They did not have his love in their hearts. They were mean, dishonest, proud, boastful, full of themselves, liars, slanderers, blasphemers, murderers, oppressors, etc. Although the teaching of ET does include some of these sins, today's Christians are nothing to compare to the Pharisees! They were evil!
I know the Pharisees are the boogymen of the Bible, but I think we should start seeing the Pharisee is within us all and that is why they COULDN'T worship in anything but vain.
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 09:14:27 PM
QuoteThe pharisees did not believe in Jesus, only God. Their belief was a head knowledge of God, not a saving belief in Jesus. They did not have his love in their hearts. They were mean, dishonest, proud, boastful, full of themselves, liars, slanderers, blasphemers, murderers, oppressors, etc. Although the teaching of ET does include some of these sins, today's Christians are nothing to compare to the Pharisees! They were evil!
I know the Pharisees are the boogymen of the Bible, but I think we should start seeing the Pharisee is within us all and that is why they COULDN'T worship in anything but vain.
That's my point. None of us are perfect, and so none of us has perfect doctrine. Therefore, by your philosophy, we
all worship in vain. I do not believe my worship is in vain, despite my imperfections, and I believe the same is true for ET Christians.
Not all of us have perfect doctrine, but that doesn't mean we are teaching for doctrine the.....COMMANDMENTS....of men. When you left your ET church, you stopped following their commandments to believe in eternal torment. Your worship isn't in vain because you aren't following their commandments, but the doctrine of Christ instead. Imperfect doctrine can come by means other than following the commandments of men. It could come by simply misunderstanding the Bible by reading it. I think that is a notable difference.
When Jesus said "they worship me in vain" he was quoting from the OT. They all knew "God" but not really because Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. They couldn't heal themselves from sin by the commandments of men. So their worship was in vain, because it didn't result in their salvation.
All the sincere worship that goes on in ET has the same effect. They think Jesus is going to torture Grandma in literal flames of fire, and that he will fail in his task of saving the world. Then they worship. How much does their worship save them from their own false doctrine, which is a sin?
Quote from: Seth on November 07, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Not all of us have perfect doctrine, but that doesn't mean we are teaching for doctrine the.....COMMANDMENTS....of men. When you left your ET church, you stopped following their commandments to believe in eternal torment. Your worship isn't in vain because you aren't following their commandments, but the doctrine of Christ instead. Imperfect doctrine can come by means other than following the commandments of men. It could come by simply misunderstanding the Bible by reading it. I think that is a notable difference.
When Jesus said "they worship me in vain" he was quoting from the OT. They all knew "God" but not really because Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. They couldn't heal themselves from sin by the commandments of men. So their worship was in vain, because it didn't result in their salvation.
All the sincere worship that goes on in ET has the same effect. They think Jesus is going to torture Grandma in literal flames of fire, and that he will fail in his task of saving the world. Then they worship. How much does their worship save them from their own false doctrine, which is a sin?
You do present some good points here. The teaching of the doctrine of ET is a serious sin. I don't know how they can truly worship a God whom they believe is roasting Grandma as we speak. I couldn't. That is why I felt so free after I embraced the truth or UR, and my worship became so much deeper, and my love for God grew so much deeper.
Worship comes in many forms: giving, singing, praising, quoting scripture, studying scripture, visiting the sick, caring for the poor, witnessing, the list goes on. Maybe some forms of worship, like witnessing, are made of no effect by ET. But it isn't worship that saves us from anything. Only grace through faith leads to salvation. ET's have faith, it's just tainted with some serious flaws in doctrine. Yes, I believe their serious flaws hinder their walk with the Lord, and hold them back from being effective witnesses to God's power and love.
:iagree:
Quote from: jbertonbounds on November 07, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
You do present some good points here. The teaching of the doctrine of ET is a serious sin. I don't know how they can truly worship a God whom they believe is roasting Grandma as we speak. I couldn't. That is why I felt so free after I embraced the truth or UR, and my worship became so much deeper, and my love for God grew so much deeper.
Worship comes in many forms: giving, singing, praising, quoting scripture, studying scripture, visiting the sick, caring for the poor, witnessing, the list goes on. Maybe some forms of worship, like witnessing, are made of no effect by ET. But it isn't worship that saves us from anything. Only grace through faith leads to salvation. ET's have faith, it's just tainted with some serious flaws in doctrine. Yes, I believe their serious flaws hinder their walk with the Lord, and hold them back from being effective witnesses to God's power and love.
This has been a great discussion, but I have a question for everyone.
Can a Blind man see that what he is trying to make, color or build be what the customer really wants. Likewise a deaf person, can they too compose a piece of music , or sing a song beautifully when they are unable to hear their own words, or anything?
Yet, the Blind and Deaf Christians are very much the same, but with a huge twist. Father told us that he has hardened the hearts of the would be wise ones. These are not deaf and blind by accident; however, DEAF and BLIND spiritually they are.
So with this taken into account: Are they seeking to destroy or are they simply trying to do the very best they can with the very little sight and hearing they have.
Who amongst us here today, was not once just as deaf and just as blind as the ones we are talking about. Who among us, told Father "Enough is Enough, I am sick of this, just give the truth?"
Hopefully no one. Rather, Father turned us all around on HIS TIME, in HIS WAY. Some of us might have recognized the truth instantly, others not so much. The thing that we must never forget, Father bought us here and the others are doing the best they can with the little they have. That they have great conviction is just a testament of how much they are seeking Father in all his Glory. For Father has surely kept it from them.
All in Fathers time, not ours.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
On this same subject being pursued here I wanted to inject something that should agree with Seth. My personal experience is to simply ask people to define who Yahweh is. If there are radical differences in the Elohim they worship and my Elohim I make a mental note that they are worshiping a different or false Elohim and they don't have a clue. I have found that when I point out the huge differences between their definition and mine, it tends to anger them immensely. But my point is if they are worshiping a false Elohim then ALL of their worship is in vain. It is very important to know who Yahweh is not just know about Him. Ignorance will not be a good defense when standing in front of the Judge.
DuWayne
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on November 07, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
On this same subject being pursued here I wanted to inject something that should agree with Seth. My personal experience is to simply ask people to define who Yahweh is. If there are radical differences in the Elohim they worship and my Elohim I make a mental note that they are worshiping a different or false Elohim and they don't have a clue. I have found that when I point out the huge differences between their definition and mine, it tends to anger them immensely. But my point is if they are worshiping a false Elohim then ALL of their worship is in vain. It is very important to know who Yahweh is not just know about Him. Ignorance will not be a good defense when standing in front of the Judge.
DuWayne
Great point. Which is why Father judges hearts. :HeartThrob:
Love Julie
Quote from: JulieTang84 on November 07, 2013, 10:45:50 PMCan a Blind man see that what he is trying to make, color or build be what the customer really wants. Likewise a deaf person, can they too compose a piece of music , or sing a song beautifully when they are unable to hear their own words, or anything?
Certainly not.
QuoteSo with this taken into account: Are they seeking to destroy or are they simply trying to do the very best they can with the very little sight and hearing they have.
I think they want to do God's will. That's what Saul of Tarsus wanted to do...He just didn't know God's will was yet, and his carnal mind made him into something he later regretted. But he didn't repent without knowing exactly where he had stood, all his former works brought to nothing.
For me the only difference in believers is some are still carnal and serving their flesh or the flesh of Babylon [leaders] the Blind into the dicth as Jesus SPEAKS of
we are to be led by the Holy Spirit and serve and worship God in Spirit and truth
To me that is whay there is so much being patient and waiting on the Lord
because to me our own flesh wars against the Spirit , trying to put your flesh/lusts of it to death every day is a personal battle of its self , Paul was not saying in vain/pride or for nothing , I die daily , he knew what was happening to him .
Jesus proves to be selfless and self sacraficing on the needs of others , we by nature are not selfless , thats what most battles are about SELF getting in the way , its a form of pride or vanity /amounts to nothingness empty words and works .dead
look how easy one can take offense for example , But when you take the wrong God sees it , thats the praying in secret to be more like Jesus , where as when put up a fight over being right , your flesh is exposed , and your being naked , exposing sin , your theirs etc , just a stink of death in that battle . it does take the Spirit and Word of God to restore one back to life again , Jesus is good at rasing the dead .
I read somewhere that music is like candy - it's best after you get rid of the rappers. :laughing7:
Seriously, I find most church/Church and religious music to be boring, and I just hate it when someone gets up and sings with a (bad) canned sound track for accompaniment. I'll take a Selah, thank you. Maybe it's just that bad music played over bad equipment is a pet peeve of mine, or maybe I have unreasonable standards of musicianship - and note that I can hardly carry a tune in a bucket!
It does happen from time to time that real musical talent teams up with Christianity - the best example I've come across is the band Seawind. Some of their songs transport me into a state of joy I can hardly describe. Yeah, baldfaced plug, I know...
Quote from: Lazarus Short on November 08, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
I read somewhere that music is like candy - it's best after you get rid of the rappers. :laughing7:
Seriously, I find most church/Church and religious music to be boring, and I just hate it when someone gets up and sings with a (bad) canned sound track for accompaniment. I'll take a Selah, thank you. Maybe it's just that bad music played over bad equipment is a pet peeve of mine, or maybe I have unreasonable standards of musicianship - and note that I can hardly carry a tune in a bucket!
It does happen from time to time that real musical talent teams up with Christianity - the best example I've come across is the band Seawind. Some of their songs transport me into a state of joy I can hardly describe. Yeah, baldfaced plug, I know...
I know what you mean Laz
the best songs are the ones you sing in your heart TO GOD directly of praise and thankfulness to Him in the secret place of your heart , knowing that ALL LIFE is from Him and He is worthy of that praise . and everyone can sing there , its heavenly music to His ears :cloud9:
considered the Psalms of David noteworthy a man after Gods own heart :winkgrin:
One of my favorites is Keith Green. I stopped listening to all Christian music for a while, because I think I needed that. Now I can listen without fearing the old false Gospel that had me ensnared. One of my favorites of his is "I want to be more like Jesus"
I will listen to a little Crowder or Gungor but that is about it for me right now.
Anna, I never get tired of classical music either. It has such a wide range of expression, of instrument, of forms, etc, and most of it is solidly rooted in western Christian culture. In particular, I love the Italian Baroque.
I discovered Hildegard von Bingen only a year or ago.
My Spirit sings and dances when ever it is played.
O Virdissima Virga ~ Hildegard von Bingen (written an composed 900 yrs ago)
http://www.youtube.com/embed/T3CEHEWBRmk (http://www.youtube.com/embed/T3CEHEWBRmk)
It is simply beautiful and I cannot understand a single word, but I FEEL everything.
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
I used to be a wild man. One time I woke up in a detox ward, and I didn't know how I got there. When I regained consciousness, I was hearing music that turned out to be in my head not coming from the hospital. I didn't recognize the tune. So I hummed it for a nurse, and she said it was Amazing Grace. She said it was an old hymn, but I wasn't familiar with it. The last time I was in a church it was a Catholic Church, and I never heard it there. When I got out of the hospital, I went to a library to look it up. I read the lyrics, and I was overwhelmed with emotion because it was my story. I was playing it on my blues harp while I was camped out in the woods, and I heard some music in the distance. I went to check it out, and there were a bunch of folks playing music praising the Lord. I started playing with them, and I wound up playing blues harp in their little church band in the mountains for awhile. They were very loving folks who were poor but looked out for each other. I imagined that's how the early believers were. I eventually headed back east looking for work, but it was a good experience sharing God's music with them.
Quote from: anna274 on November 10, 2013, 07:10:11 PM
I don't do youtube... so I wasn't able to listen.
But I vaguely remembered the name Hildegard von Bingen so I did a very quick search and learned that Hildegard von Bingen was canonized about a year ago by Pope Benedict XVI who also declared her to be a Doctor of the Church... there are not many Doctors and only very few women who have been declared to be a Doctor... also noted that she was a Mystic and had visions ...
Sounds a bit scary, I would find out exactly what the lyrics mean before dwelling on this music. If she was singing the Psalms I would not be so skeptical but with her history she needs to be investigated. This is why I posted this thread is because to many blind sheep don't look into the things they watch on TV or listen to on the stereo. This is part of the job of discernment which we have all been assigned. Its up to us as individuals to do our own homework on these things. Don't expect your trusted pastor to tell you these things.
Quote from: Tom on November 10, 2013, 07:44:55 PM
I used to be a wild man. One time I woke up in a detox ward, and I didn't know how I got there. When I regained consciousness, I was hearing music that turned out to be in my head not coming from the hospital. I didn't recognize the tune. So I hummed it for a nurse, and she said it was Amazing Grace. She said it was an old hymn, but I wasn't familiar with it. The last time I was in a church it was a Catholic Church, and I never heard it there. When I got out of the hospital, I went to a library to look it up. I read the lyrics, and I was overwhelmed with emotion because it was my story. I was playing it on my blues harp while I was camped out in the woods, and I heard some music in the distance. I went to check it out, and there were a bunch of folks playing music praising the Lord. I started playing with them, and I wound up playing blues harp in their little church band in the mountains for awhile. They were very loving folks who were poor but looked out for each other. I imagined that's how the early believers were. I eventually headed back east looking for work, but it was a good experience sharing God's music with them.
Awesome! :thumbsup:
Inspiring. :thumbsup:
As commented on by MPISFiitter,
I looked for and found the lyrics to the Hildegard von Bingen song which I posted.
Oh I know that she was Catholic nun in the 10th century. I also know that she is now regarded as a Saint; however, i have read a lot of her writings and fully realize that Father used her for a very good purpose. This song is about Jesus and Mary, his mother but in implication only. I do not find anything bad about these lyrics and would love to hear anyones thoughts.
With that being said, my spirit (higher self) immediately recognized this song and began rejoicing. Could it be for the lyrics, the melody or the LOVE for Father in which both were written/composed?
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
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O viridissima virga (Hildegard von Bingen; )
O viridissima virga
que in ventoso flabro sciscitationis sanctorum prodisti.
Cum venit tempus
quod tu floruisti in ramis tuis; ave, ave sit tibi,
quia calor solis in te sudavit sicut odor balsami.
Nam in te floruit pulcher flos
qui odorem dedit omnibus aromatibus que arida erant.
Et illa apparuerunt omnia in viriditate plena.
Unde celi dederunt rorem super gramen
et omnis terra leta facta est,
quoniam viscera ipsius frumentum protulerunt, et quoniam volucres celi nidos in ipsa habuerunt.
Deinde facta est esca hominibus, et gaudium magnum epulantium; unde, o suavis virgo,
in te non deficit ullum gaudium.
Hec omnia Eva contempsit. Nunc autem laus sit Altissimo.
O greenest branch, hail,
who came forth in blowing wind from holy wise men.
English Version (translated by Marianne Richert Pfau[/size])
[/size]When the time came
that you bloomed in your branches hail, hail to you,
the heat of the sun infused you with balsamic fragrance. The beautiful flourished in you gave its aromatic fragrance
to all that was withered. And thus all appeared in full greenness. The heaven spread dew over the grass
and the whole earth was made glad
because her womb brought forth fruit
and the birds of the skies had their nests in her. Thus was made the food for humanity
and great joy among the dinner companions. And therefore, of mild Virgin,
no joy is missing in you. All of this Eve had disdained.
But now praise be to the highest.