Who is Satan?

[micah7:9]

Replacing the word angel with its proper meaning of MESSENGER, [at least for me,] makes it all much more understandable.
Gabriel was a messenger. Michael is the Arch messenger. Jesus I believe is the CHIEF messenger. I, myself am not at all befuddled as to who is is doing the rebuking in Jude 9 The LORD rebuke thee. I know that God the Father THE LORD will do the rebuking. I have no problem knowing that there is but ONE Lord and ONE God andFather of all.

Luk 2:13  And suddenly there came with the messenger a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14  `Glory in the highest to God, and upon earth peace, among men--good will.'
Luk 2:15  And it came to pass, when the messengers were gone away from them to the heavens, that the men, the shepherds, said unto one another, `We may go over indeed unto Bethlehem, and see this thing that hath come to pass, that the Lord did make known to us.'

Please, its bad enough this post is about "who is satan" and now you are gonna bring Jehovah wittness's about who Michael is. Michael MEANS who is like God...Do you know of anyone in the Bible who is like God? Arch(foremost, first messenger(angel) does a name besides Jesus come to mind? If so who? And the Lord long ago showed me that very few would believe His Word, they would no see it, until.....

[Lefein]

Michael "who is like God" always came across to me as an honourable question presented through a name, rather than a title of one's nature.

Michael seems to have been a relatively common name in Biblical times.  There are several Michael's in Chronicles who are not Messengers.

Who is like God?  If God has his way, everyone will be.

And, it'd be suitable for you not to yell at Molly, you seem to be yelling anyway, chivalry is a lovely virtue, as is long suffering.

And the Lord long ago showed me that very few would believe His Word, they would no see it, until.....

I see an awful lot of these sorts of posts as of late; using God as a means of ultimatum.  The Lord has not shown me this, and may in fact have shown me completely differently.  "Michael is my top Angel".

Forgive me for saying this, but I am not ready to believe you on your word when it comes to things like this, just because there is a "revelation from the Lord" or variation of such attached to it.  It doesn't resonate with my spirit, and I am not entirely certain you are getting the point in application.

It is true, the Lord said not many will believe his word.  But we can't apply that to everything we present...Infact, Jesus I'd say did give you that revelation that not many would believe his word - its true, its consistent.  But it is a statement of fact really, not a revelation of a Michael-Christ doctrine.

If it is, testimony, confirmation and biblical scriptures are what I request.

[Molly]

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

--Mat 16

[micah7:9]

Lefein, You can understand the name word Michael anyway you desire. If I was yelling I failed to hear it, but if you say so then I guess I did because you told me I did.
"And the Lord long ago showed me that very few would believe His Word, they would no see it" [scratch the until]

Michael the Archangel, that what the Bible says not me.

Goodnight.

[Lefein]

Goodnight Micah, God bless.

[Molly]

This is a very interesting article that agrees with Micah--too long to quote here.


Is Jesus the archangel Michael?

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/bible/michael.html

[peacemaker]

:cloud9: I love to read your posts PC.....they cause me s-t-r-e-t-c-h....... :winkgrin:

My memory stretches back to early childhood, where I pondered the universe and life before age twelve. After reading the Old Testament, I realized that there was a ribbon of truth (the living Spirit), blended with the thoughts of men who would slaughter innocent women and children, dashing babies against the rocks, and sacrificing their own to flames of fire. One of the reasons that I was never indoctrinated into "Hell Fire."  All of Scripture is inspired and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness; but not many understand what it means to be admonished by the Spirit, nor are they open to being corrected and truly trained in the ways of righteousness. One word describes this, and that is Syncretism. Historically, languages have changed and so have the definitions based on the words of men who attempted to reconcile their own form of justice without mercy. Just look into almost any dictionary and you will see the additions of man's thoughts, especially when it comes to Religion. Hell and Eternity are only two examples that most on this forum are already aware of, however, the numbers run into the thousands. Satan is another one of those words that have been defined from the minds of men. Perhaps that is enough said, although I sincerely hope it was a good and acceptable stretch, nothing wrong with exercising. Now back to being pensive, meditative and somewhat reflective given that of the Spirit that resides within, as for understanding adversity all one needs to do, is look and listen.

[peacemaker]

Replacing the word angel with its proper meaning of MESSENGER, [at least for me,] makes it all much more understandable.

In the true sense of the word.

peacemaker

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: I love to read your posts PC.....they cause me s-t-r-e-t-c-h....... :winkgrin:

My memory stretches back to early childhood, where I pondered the universe and life before age twelve. After reading the Old Testament, I realized that there was a ribbon of truth (the living Spirit), blended with the thoughts of men who would slaughter innocent women and children, dashing babies against the rocks, and sacrificing their own to flames of fire. One of the reasons that I was never indoctrinated into "Hell Fire."  All of Scripture is inspired and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness; but not many understand what it means to be admonished by the Spirit, nor are they open to being corrected and truly trained in the ways of righteousness. One word describes this, and that is Syncretism. Historically, languages have changed and so have the definitions based on the words of men who attempted to reconcile their own form of justice without mercy. Just look into almost any dictionary and you will see the additions of man's thoughts, especially when it comes to Religion. Hell and Eternity are only two examples that most on this forum are already aware of, however, the numbers run into the thousands. Satan is another one of those words that have been defined from the minds of men. Perhaps that is enough said, although I sincerely hope it was a good and acceptable stretch, nothing wrong with exercising. Now back to being pensive, meditative and somewhat reflective given that of the Spirit that resides within, as for understanding adversity all one needs to do, is look and listen.

Im blessed [we are all blessed] that you could put it into words.

[Beloved Servant]

The magnificent wonder of it all.     :HeartThrob:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprCvi3fvxs

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Arch means "chief or principle", and I believe there are archangels, probably 7, reminiscient of the 7 angels and the 7 flames of the candlestick. Micheal fights for Israel, according to tradition. Gabriel is "revelatory" angel, he speaks revelations to the body, ie. he told Mary there was life in her. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Beloved Servant]

Isaiah 11:2 (NIV)
The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him —
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord—

Revelation 4:5 (NIV)
5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing.These are the seven spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 (NIV)
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: Arch means "chief or principle", and I believe there are archangels, probably 7, reminiscient of the 7 angels and the 7 flames of the candlestick. Micheal fights for Israel, according to tradition. Gabriel is "revelatory" angel, he speaks revelations to the body, ie. he told Mary there was life in her. My  :2c: Blessings....

And you get this count of 7 archangels from where? :sigh:

[eaglesway]

Absolutes, probabilities, possibilities and unknowables. I like to stay within what is written for my absolutes. The rest is open to discussion- not necessarily worthy of disputation or concrete definition.

[thinktank]

Isaiah 11:2 (NIV)
The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him —
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord—

Revelation 4:5 (NIV)
5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing.These are the seven spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 (NIV)
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

excellent  :thumbsup: Those are the 7 spirits, I have wanted to know their identify for a while.

These spirts must be how God gives his gifts to the church.

spirit of wisdom, solomon, Daniel
spirit of power, healing gift etc
spirit of fear , for prophecy, respect to God
spirit of the lord, the comforter
spirit of counsel, Paul
spirit of understanding, Paul

This is new to me so there are many things I can draw from this. There are also probably more than one gift proceeding from each spirit. I think that's why not all prophecy or heal, because they might have the spirit of the lord, but they don't have a spirit of power to heal people.
:2c:

[Lefein]

I'd only change one thing (not out of agreeing, but out of general helpfulness), he didn't give us a spirit of fear.  I'd call it Fear of the Lord specifically.  So as to avoid confusion.

[thinktank]

I'd only change one thing (not out of agreeing, but out of general helpfulness), he didn't give us a spirit of fear.  I'd call it Fear of the Lord specifically.  So as to avoid confusion.

Or perhaps 'respect unto the lord' , is that the same? coz it sounds better and makes more sense. But don't want to end scrambling up the scriptural meanings, because if you change one meaning, it can impact other scriptures.

:2c:

[Lefein]

I do prefer Revere/respect, I know 'fear' meant the same thing back then in King James' day...but yea, we can update ;)

[Pierac]

It says in Daniel 10:13 that Michael was one of the great princes.  Not the.
I don't believe Michael is Jesus.

Then you believe correctly!  Jesus is the Son of God created in the womb of Mary!
Luke 1:19  The angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news...
Luke 1:35  The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
:thumbsup:
Paul

How does what you show, that Jesus is not Michael / that Michael is not Jesus. Just who then "who is like God?" if not Jesus / Michael?

You're only looking at the part not the whole, listen to Paul...
Heb 1:1  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of
all things, through whom also He made the world.

Paul is telling you the old covenant was administered by Angles, but now in these last days, by God's Son! Jesus!

Heb 1:4  having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5  For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I
HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"? ... Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY
RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?

Now let's review the covenant given by angels!

Act 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it."


Gal 3:19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.

Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

Indeed,  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son!  Jesus was no angel.
Infact,  He was made lower than the angels and then given a name above all names! Believe your scriptures.


Paul

[micah7:9]

Indeed,  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son!  Jesus was no angel.
Infact,  He was made lower than the angels and then given a name above all names! Believe your scriptures.


Paul

Was Jesus a messenger? Yes Jesus was/is the "chief messenger." What is an angel? I know there are celestial hosts, but angel is
to be a messenger. I wll stand by an earlier statement if the translators would have transalted the KJV properly most of the discussions on the site alone would never appear. The "word" satan means adversary, but the tranlators, for God reasons i must believe, made it a proper noun and thus there are so many stories, myths and fables. Is the AVERSARY real, you betcha. Is the Adversary powerful, you betcha. Will the Adversary be defeated....YES  Jo. 16:33
1Jn 2:13  I write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who is from the beginning; I write to you, young men, because ye have overcome the evil. I write to you, little youths, because ye have known the Father:
1Jn 2:14  I did write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who is from the beginning; I did write to you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God in you doth remain, and ye have overcome the evil.

[Cardinal]

Isaiah 11:2 (NIV)
The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him —
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord—

Revelation 4:5 (NIV)
5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing.These are the seven spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 (NIV)
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

excellent  :thumbsup: Those are the 7 spirits, I have wanted to know their identify for a while.

These spirts must be how God gives his gifts to the church.

spirit of wisdom, solomon, Daniel
spirit of power, healing gift etc
spirit of fear , for prophecy, respect to God
spirit of the lord, the comforter
spirit of counsel, Paul
spirit of understanding, Paul

This is new to me so there are many things I can draw from this. There are also probably more than one gift proceeding from each spirit. I think that's why not all prophecy or heal, because they might have the spirit of the lord, but they don't have a spirit of power to heal people.
:2c:

:cloud9: This is why I think there are 7 archangels, they are the horns (speaks of power) and the eyes (speaks of omnipresence and understanding) of the Lamb in Revelation, and the blazing lamps (speaks of illumination and fire). Remember all the places where the angels were instructed to give understanding pertaining to a dream or a vision? It is one of these angels doing it, IMO.

The baptism in the HG releases the gifts of the Spirit in the believer. They are also imparted by the laying on of hands of those that have them, by the same Spirit. The HG does the works, the gifts are "works", the fruits are "emotions" of that same Spirit. both of these are illustrated on the number of knops and flowers on the golden candlestick, which has 6 branches on a central shaft, which is Christ, ie. from Him all blessings flow (oil flows, anointings flow). Blessings....

[thinktank]

:cloud9: This is why I think there are 7 archangels, they are the horns (speaks of power) and the eyes (speaks of omnipresence and understanding) of the Lamb in Revelation, and the blazing lamps (speaks of illumination and fire). Remember all the places where the angels were instructed to give understanding pertaining to a dream or a vision? It is one of these angels doing it, IMO.

The baptism in the HG releases the gifts of the Spirit in the believer. They are also imparted by the laying on of hands of those that have them, by the same Spirit. The HG does the works, the gifts are "works", the fruits are "emotions" of that same Spirit. both of these are illustrated on the number of knops and flowers on the golden candlestick, which has 6 branches on a central shaft, which is Christ, ie. from Him all blessings flow (oil flows, anointings flow). Blessings....

Do you think these 7 spirits are angels? Could be as angels are called ministering spirits but, lets say a pastor receives a gift of healing, does that mean an angel follows him wherever he goes? Because to me I would have thought a gift of healing would be as spiritual water flowing from God into the cup of man, which overflows to be able to heal other people.

Because I don't know if you are saying that these 7 spirits are angels, but one of them is called the spirit of the lord and we know that is not an angel, so why should the others be angels, could they not be spirits? (not sure if they have personality, for Gabriel talks outside a man, but the holyghost is inside a man, and a healing gift seems to come out from within a man, out of his belly but no one says the healing gift talks- unlike the holyghost who does)

Just as there are angels and men and also cherubims, there could be spirit also, the same substance which animates animals and plant life, the breath of life.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I think angels follow believers wherever they go, I think we have at least one assigned to us. I haven't studied the 7 angels thing to comment on it any more than I have. Angels were never my focus, He never really drew my attention to them, much, save Gabriel. I tend to let Him lead me thru the Word now, and have for years, as opposed to me digging in something.

The gifts flow thru the power of the HG, healing included. I do think the Lord is present in a more tangible way when a miracle type healing manifests, because that's been my experience in several ways. When I had my back healed, I was slain in the Spirit from His presence. Same way with when He healed my elbow (crushed joint); I was slain twice. Both times I felt intense heat hit the area that was being healed. Because these were in the beginning of my walk, in the first year, I think that is one reason why I was allowed to physically feel His healing presence, as a faith builder to KEEP my healing.

A lot of people receive healings, but have no wisdom to know how to keep it, because the enemy of our souls comes right behind and tries to rob them of it. The extra faith boost that "heat" provided to let me KNOW that something had happened, helped me stand on His promises and keep the healing.

With the terminal cancer that was healed in a week, I was much older in the Lord, and no "handkerchiefs" were allowed. I had to believe His word to me personally IN SPITE OF the fact I was still hemmoraghing, and I literally called my mind and body a liar and commanded them to line up with the Word of God. When He said if you believe with NOTHING DOUBTING, you shall have whatever you say, I can tell you that your body and your mind are what "doubts" and you have to take authority over them.

I repeated what He said to me (have what you say), and made sure nothing else "doubted" that, by refusing to entertain the thoughts I was being bombarded with. Resist the devil and he will flee. Dying is easy, we don't have to do anything special to die; standing on His PERSONAL word to you about a situation, is not, because this is WHEN the enemy of our souls comes to kill, steal and destroy. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Molly]

I think angels follow believers wherever they go, I think we have at least one assigned to us.

:thumbsup:

[thinktank]

Isaiah 55:11   
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


how come you cannot use handkerchiefs cardinal? did he tell you that? and focus on the word of faith as above.