Sad story

[friendofmankind]

To me, its mixed up messages that makes people do things like this... (sends them drivelling bonkers).

God is love.... but He's gonna torcher most people forever....Eh what?  

Anyone trying to wrap their head around that crap is in for a hard time, because the fact is that it DOESN'T make sense....  And therefore trying to work it out is a ticket to a mental institute.  
One minute you will be high and praising God and feeling His love...Next minute you will be low and dissing God and feeling nothing but hatred, sadness and confusion - wishing you had never picked up a bible in your life or at least heard ill-informed man's interpretation and sick twisting and mistranslation of it.
HIGH LOW HIGH LOW HIGH LOW UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN...What a way to live...

No no, God IS love and He will have ALL men be saved.

1 Timothy 2:4
God our Savior, who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Makes sense doesn't it?  God is LOVE and LOVE NEVER FAILS...Welcome to one of the fruits of the Spirit...A 'sound' mind.

2 TIMOTHY 1:7  For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Galatians 5:22-23  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

I have not met many hellfire preachers with many or 'any' of these 'fruits', so what Spirit are they of?  Test the spirits!

It would be IMPOSSIBLE for someone full of LOVE and JOY and other fruits of the spirit to have any peace or love or joy, knowing that most of humanity (whom they LOVE) will end up TORCHERED FOREVER (by a God who is LOVE!)......How much more so GOD who IS LOVE?

[IceDash]

well here the problem I am having with what this place believe we do not have free wills, but do we act upon on our own choices to do evil or do something disgusting thing that defile the character of God?

If we do not have free wills as universal believe, what do we call this?

[jabcat]

mental illness

i've worked with the mentally ill for 26 years.  this is an extreme case.  people act on their delusions millions of times a day, just thankfully, usually not to this extent.  i got a call on a 17 year old within the past 24 hours who was having his first psychotic break, and his particular delusions had nothing to do with religion.  many with psychosis are attracted to religious and spiritual things, they just usually distort them - in this case, apparently to the extreme.

I worked for a couple of years with a man who had schizophrenia.  he carried his bible and his chess board to our sessions.  i got a glimpse inside his bible one day, in which he had handwritten notes, a mixture of scripture and insanity.  one day he told me, "i think i'm jesus".  2 seconds later he quietely said "no, i'm not", then sadly lay his head down on the table.

maybe there are issues to discuss of "vessels of honor and dishonor", a "fallen world", how the doctrine of ET severely affects the vulnerable and/or mentally ill, what role do demons play in various situations, etc.  Those are deep topics that I don't think I'll fully understand until I'm in the Lord's direct presence and He finally explains it all to me.  Right now I see it through the glass darkly and have bits and pieces that don't all always fit together. :dontknow:

[friendofmankind]

well here the problem I am having with what this place believe we do not have free wills, but do we act upon on our own choices to do evil or do something disgusting thing that defile the character of God?

If we do not have free wills as universal believe, what do we call this?

I believe we do have free wills to an extent, and i also believe that men can choose to come to God.


Matthew 6:33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.


Although at the same time you have to understand that God is EVERYTHING.  So even if i choose to do something...God is right there...IF i choose not to do something He is right there too.  In other words, God's will is ALWAYS done.

Its a mystery.  I feel i have free will though to an extent.  Although if i had limitless free will, i would grow wings so i didnt have to walk anywhere anymore lol.

[Paul Hazelwood]

well here the problem I am having with what this place believe we do not have free wills, but do we act upon on our own choices to do evil or do something disgusting thing that defile the character of God?

If we do not have free wills as universal believe, what do we call this?

I believe we do have free wills to an extent, and i also believe that men can choose to come to God.


Matthew 6:33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.


Although at the same time you have to understand that God is EVERYTHING.  So even if i choose to do something...God is right there...IF i choose not to do something He is right there too.  In other words, God's will is ALWAYS done.

Its a mystery.  I feel i have free will though to an extent.  Although if i had limitless free will, i would grow wings so i didnt have to walk anywhere anymore lol.

Free will is simply one of the more misunderstood aspects of scripture.   Some will absolutely deny any kind of freedom of the will whatsoever ignoring the facts of what that causes God to do and a direct contradiction to scripture showing that the type of control they say God has is not the case.

The other side is typically eternal hell believers that think our will is separate from God and it is up to us to find God and get into his graces, also contradicting the passages showing otherwise.


God being eternal created us unique knowing what our uniqness would do, but he prepared the way for all our routes so there is an escape from doom.

It really is simple, all one has to do is drop the pet doctrines and see scripture come to the conclusions.

[friendofmankind]

well here the problem I am having with what this place believe we do not have free wills, but do we act upon on our own choices to do evil or do something disgusting thing that defile the character of God?

If we do not have free wills as universal believe, what do we call this?

I believe we do have free wills to an extent, and i also believe that men can choose to come to God.


Matthew 6:33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.


Although at the same time you have to understand that God is EVERYTHING.  So even if i choose to do something...God is right there...IF i choose not to do something He is right there too.  In other words, God's will is ALWAYS done.

Its a mystery.  I feel i have free will though to an extent.  Although if i had limitless free will, i would grow wings so i didnt have to walk anywhere anymore lol.

Free will is simply one of the more misunderstood aspects of scripture.   Some will absolutely deny any kind of freedom of the will whatsoever ignoring the facts of what that causes God to do and a direct contradiction to scripture showing that the type of control they say God has is not the case.

The other side is typically eternal hell believers that think our will is separate from God and it is up to us to find God and get into his graces, also contradicting the passages showing otherwise.


God being eternal created us unique knowing what our uniqness would do, but he prepared the way for all our routes so there is an escape from doom.

It really is simple, all one has to do is drop the pet doctrines and see scripture come to the conclusions.

Exactly Paul, I aggree.

The Bible says one day He will be ALL and in ALL.
We have to read it and understand it in light of that.
We know the ending for sure...We just have to figure out how the rest is done, and that is the problem the church has had for over 1500 years and caused division, 38000 church denominations, mistranslations and all kind of warping of Scripture to support their conclusion...that Satan wins and God loses.

[friendofmankind]

...But Oh poor God...He tried, but failed to save his own creation sadly and now he has to burn them in a fire forever even though He is 'love'.


I wish people could see through the rubbish in that thinking.

[Molly]

God being eternal created us unique knowing what our uniqness would do, but he prepared the way for all our routes so there is an escape from doom.

I was reading Gen 2 last night, and the scripture where God was looking for a help meet for Adam.  The meaning there--

...but for Adam121 there was not3808 found4672 a help5828 meet for him.5048

"a help"

H5828
עזר
‛êzer
ay'-zer
From H5826; aid: - help.

H5826
עזר
‛âzar
aw-zar'
A primitive root; to surround, that is, protect or aid: - help, succour.



"meet for him"

H5048
נגד
neged
neh'-ghed
From H5046; a front, that is, part opposite; specifically a counterpart, or mate; usually (adverbially, especially with preposition) over against or before: - about, (over) against, X aloof, X far (off), X from, over, presence, X other side, sight, X to view.


H5046
נגד
nâgad
naw-gad'
A primitive root; properly to front, that is, stand boldly out opposite; by implication (causatively), to manifest; figuratively to announce (always by word of mouth to one present); specifically to expose, predict, explain, praise: - bewray, X certainly, certify, declare (-ing), denounce, expound, X fully, messenger, plainly, profess, rehearse, report, shew (forth), speak, X surely, tell, utter.


That is what God is creating us into--a help meet for Jesus.  And, our mission is to co-operate with the process as much as possible.  Somewhere in there is free will, as was allowed Eve, but God will turn all things to good.


27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

--Rom 8

[IceDash]

I do believe in free wills, we make our choose but our destiny remain the same from point A to point B but somewhere in the middle, you can do whatever you want

But even our free wills, God know what choose we make the next day, no matter what you do, nothing suprise God, nothing.

Ever heard of Deja Vu?

[friendofmankind]

Didnt you just ask me that?  :laughing7:

[sparrow]

well here the problem I am having with what this place believe we do not have free wills, but do we act upon on our own choices to do evil or do something disgusting thing that defile the character of God?

If we do not have free wills as universal believe, what do we call this?

I believe we do have free wills to an extent, and i also believe that men can choose to come to God.


Matthew 6:33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.


Although at the same time you have to understand that God is EVERYTHING.  So even if i choose to do something...God is right there...IF i choose not to do something He is right there too.  In other words, God's will is ALWAYS done.

Its a mystery.  I feel i have free will though to an extent.  Although if i had limitless free will, i would grow wings so i didnt have to walk anywhere anymore lol.

Free will is simply one of the more misunderstood aspects of scripture.   Some will absolutely deny any kind of freedom of the will whatsoever ignoring the facts of what that causes God to do and a direct contradiction to scripture showing that the type of control they say God has is not the case.

The other side is typically eternal hell believers that think our will is separate from God and it is up to us to find God and get into his graces, also contradicting the passages showing otherwise.


God being eternal created us unique knowing what our uniqness would do, but he prepared the way for all our routes so there is an escape from doom.

It really is simple, all one has to do is drop the pet doctrines and see scripture come to the conclusions.

I totally agree Paul.

[sparrow]

Didnt you just ask me that?  :laughing7:

:grin: