The Second Coming?

[peacemaker]

WE ARE HIS GLORIFIED BODY !

Excellent, Beloved of the Spirit.

"Childbearing is glorified; women die from it."  

peacemaker

[WhiteWings]

then he got resurected, but did not yet ascend to the father "touch me not for I am not ascended to the father"

, so he went around and appeared to the disciples to confirm his resurection

Thomas touched Him. Does that mean He already went and returned from heaven then? Or that only women where not allowed to touch His body?

and then he ascends to heaven, where he sits on the right hand of the father "The son interceeds in heaven on our behalf, acts as  our high priest", awaiting for the father to send instruction "no man knows the day or the hour only the father"

Father does not judge us. Son does.

(John 3:35) The Father, loveth the Son, and, all things, hath given into his hand.
(John 5:22) For neither doth, the Father, judge anyone,––but, all the judging, hath given unto the Son:
(John 5:27) And, authority, hath he given him, to be executing, judgment,––because, Son of Man, is he!

I humbly suggest (did I relly type that? :winkgrin:) you read this article

to return for his bride and then to judge the wicked as spoken in jude when he returns with 10 thousands of his saints to exceute jugment upon the ungoldy.

144.000 saints?

[micah7:9]

If read carefully, one might see I've personally never used the term second coming to define how I see it.  I've stated quite carefully my beliefs, and if anyone sees it some other way, well, we've all got our own level of understanding.  I've stated I believe He does dwell among us, and that He comes/is present in various ways.  Maybe there are other issues you're addressing Brother micah;  don't know  :bigGrin:.

Us being His glorified body?  I agree in a sense, but I don't believe that's all it means, or that it's that completely narrowly defined.  There are many facets within the details, multiple layers.  OK, we're the body.  Also though, when Jesus was walking amongst them, He didn't show them themselves - He showed them Himself.  He didn't tell Thomas he needed to touch himself, his own side, his own nail-printed hands.  Jesus was talking about Himself, and I believe I Corinthians 15 is talking about us once resurrected, and IMO, by extension, Jesus after His resurrection. :2c:

Yes, I agree, we're the body and that's good news.  But I believe THE Good News is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who loves the world, gave Himself for it, and rose again to redeem us.

But without love, I'm making noise.  

So blessings and peace to you both.  The glass will clear.  :coolsmile:

I dont know how how to break all this down into sections as some can, but I understand Jabcat what you are saying. I find what you say "He didn't show them themselves - He showed them Himself.  He didn't tell Thomas he needed to touch himself, his own side, his own nail-printed hands.  Jesus was talking about Himself, fussy."
He was Jesus, He was not them. I understand "body" differently than you, i think. I do not except body as what we are now, but as the saved or made whole, servant/slave that we have yeilded to, as Jesus, the man did  to the will of the Father. The coming of the Lord will be in that body of many members, yeilded to His Will.  I  know I am unclear, my mind sees, what my words cannot say.

[jabcat]

Hi micah.  Sometimes comments can either not be helpful to the direct discussion at hand, or can be taken the wrong way.  Maybe I took the "body" comment the wrong way, maybe some of my comments were taken the wrong way.  Still, my apologies for my part of it, I do attempt to not offend, while still trying to explain myself.  Only the first part of my post was actually in response to your statement.  For the rest, I was trying to make a distinction between us the body of believers, Jesus' body, and our immortal bodies at resurrection.

I probably can't be any more clear than I've already been, so I'll quit.  Everyone can see things however they wish, I've just stated how I personally understand it - and I think it's important to be able to get another view out there.  

God bless.

[micah7:9]

May God Bless.

[Quaesitor]

Luk 24:39-43
(39)  Perceive My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and perceive, for a spirit has not flesh and bones according as you behold Me having."
(40)  And saying this, He exhibits to them His hands and feet."
(41)  Now, at their still disbelieving from joy, and marveling, He said to them, "Have you any food in this place?
(42)  Now they hand Him part of a broiled fish,
(43)  and, taking it, He ate before them."

That kind of body.

There are many verses about the appearing of Jesus-Christ.


Act 2:20 The sun shall be converted into darkness And the moon into blood Ere the coming of the day of the Lord, The great and advent day."

1Ti 6:14 that you keep this precept unspotted, irreprehensible, unto the advent of our Lord, Christ Jesus,

2Ti 1:10 yet now is being manifested through the advent of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, Who, indeed, abolishes death, yet illuminates life and incorruption through the evangel"

Tit 2:13 anticipating that happy expectation, even the advent of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,


Yet, this is still confusing.
I'll have to study it more.

[Quaesitor]

then he got resurected, but did not yet ascend to the father "touch me not for I am not ascended to the father"

, so he went around and appeared to the disciples to confirm his resurection

Thomas touched Him. Does that mean He already went and returned from heaven then? Or that only women where not allowed to touch His body?

and then he ascends to heaven, where he sits on the right hand of the father "The son interceeds in heaven on our behalf, acts as  our high priest", awaiting for the father to send instruction "no man knows the day or the hour only the father"

Father does not judge us. Son does.

(John 3:35) The Father, loveth the Son, and, all things, hath given into his hand.
(John 5:22) For neither doth, the Father, judge anyone,––but, all the judging, hath given unto the Son:
(John 5:27) And, authority, hath he given him, to be executing, judgment,––because, Son of Man, is he!

I humbly suggest (did I relly type that? :winkgrin:) you read this article

to return for his bride and then to judge the wicked as spoken in jude when he returns with 10 thousands of his saints to exceute jugment upon the ungoldy.

144.000 saints?

That makes sense, that'd mean that 1 John has been mistranslated when the word parakletos is used as advocate...how can Jesus be the judge AND the advocate, that makes no sense in a court?
:mshock: