The Potter and His clay & El Elyon

[chuckt]

When I see me returning back to my original state, I see me back before the fall

naked???


i am trying to understand here, why would we want to go back to being naked? (( adams original state ))

check out the word naked:

`arowm its original sense:

aram TWOT - 1698
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
aw-ram'    Verb  

Definition
to be subtle, be shrewd, be crafty, beware, take crafty counsel, be prudent
(Qal) to be crafty, be subtle (Hiphil) to be crafty, be or become shrewd  
 


sound familar?? ....look:

Verse for Commentary Notes Next 20
 
Ge 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil

aruwm TWOT - 1698c
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
aw-room'    Adjective  

Definition
subtle, shrewd, crafty, sly, sensible
crafty shrewd, sensible, prudent  



i dont wanna go back to anything i wanna go FORWARD.......



is chuckt making sense??? is chuckt crazy??


peace
me

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: We're clothed with His Word(s), clothed with His righteousness, instead of shame.....so what of our nature was naked and wwas NOT ashamed? Thinking outside the literal box here of it being flesh man..... See what I mean? If we were not ashamed then we had to be clothed with His Word(s) and His righteousness. It seems a contradiction to me. Blessings....

[chuckt]

Gen 2:25 they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

hi bro taffy.

is the above a good thing? how can we be clothed if we dont realize we are naked??

once they realized they were naked what happened?

the end has to have a beginning.

im looking at the message not the literal part.

chuckt

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I see your point Chuckt, but what if it was "wise as a serpent, BUT gentle as a dove", ie. naked = wise, knowing one, but this time a wise knowing one who is also RE-covered in Christ = dove? Just thinking out loud here with you all.....

[trettep]

My take is that the Serpent is ADAM - more specifically it is the disobedient nature of Adam.   So when you see that the Serpent is talking to Eve - I actually believe it is Adam talking to Eve.

Paul

[Nathan]

Another angle on this would be Jesus said he would make all things new . . .he didn't say he would make all new things . . .for me that's restoration . . .to restore something is to bring it back to it's original state.

[chuckt]

thanks everyone.

i guess my main point is even adam had to be clothed with Christ, he never partook of the tree of life, which to me = Christ the resureection IE, glorification.

i will ponder these things over the weekend.

yall be blessed, thanks for the awsome discussions and grace to you all.

euty...er um chuckt :msealed: :bgdance:

[sheila]

 well, Paul said that it was not that he desired to be unclothed

 but to be clothed upon from on high.

 that they were naked and knew it not..imo is that they

 din't realize that they were not clothed in the Glory of the

 Father as yet[incorruptible] I think that is why satan was

embolded to deceive them and lead them out in sin.

 after the transgression they became aware.


  he has said...my people will not be ashamed, I really

 liked what Taffy put in his post about it.


  were they ashamed of God's word to not eat of that tree in

the face of the slanderer of God's character?In the faceof

 " surely not,God knows that if you eat you will be like him?"

 Obediance bespeaks TRUST   trust and love go hand in hand..

 did they really know God yet?...I don't think so,for they hadn't

eat from the tree of life yet. How can you love and trust

someone if you don't know him? And you beleive a lie said about Him?

[Cardinal]

thanks everyone.

i guess my main point is even adam had to be clothed with Christ, he never partook of the tree of life, which to me = Christ the resureection IE, glorification.

i will ponder these things over the weekend.

yall be blessed, thanks for the awsome discussions and grace to you all.

euty...er um chuckt :msealed: :bgdance:

:cloud9: What? You mean you're leaving us till next week? You get our engines revved up and then you leave? Is that fair? :mshock:

:winkgrin:  :icon_jokercolor:  Just joshing ya.....have a great weekend.  :happygrin:

[chuckt]

thanks everyone.

i guess my main point is even adam had to be clothed with Christ, he never partook of the tree of life, which to me = Christ the resureection IE, glorification.

i will ponder these things over the weekend.

yall be blessed, thanks for the awsome discussions and grace to you all.

euty...er um chuckt :msealed: :bgdance:

:cloud9: What? You mean you're leaving us till next week? You get our engines revved up and then you leave? Is that fair? :mshock:

:winkgrin:  :icon_jokercolor:  Just joshing ya.....have a great weekend.  :happygrin:

ah i might show up for a little while tomorrow.

tell ya though, this place is such a refreshing change, forgot how much i missed it.

peace
chuckt

[Taffy]

Gen 2:25 they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

hi bro taffy.

is the above a good thing? how can we be clothed if we dont realize we are naked??

once they realized they were naked what happened?

the end has to have a beginning.

im looking at the message not the literal part.

chuckt

Hi Grand dad  :icon_flower:
Card makes a good Comment,

Naked In its carnal sence for mine is very much a Term for sinful ,..But could there be a Purity before Eve ate? as In NOT ashamed of HIS WORDS? Shame come to those who are afraid or deny them.

ive always found this interesting by comparisson

Rom 7:9  For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died

.

ISNT the  Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil  a similitude of the LAW :icon_flower:


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam was alive Prior , walking with God in the SPIRIT of the DAY, Through the consequence of the deceit of eves desire , the recognition of GOOD and Evil was wrought, The law brings us BACK to God,its a apart of the pathway ,as Paul says The LAW is GOOD, AS WITH ADAM\Eve they saw their SIN...and NOW their Shame , for prior there wasnt any?


As Eve was Beguiled by enticing WORDS, Lest you forget the ONENESS IN CHRIST


Col 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


Again HIS WORDS, who keepeth Shall never see death... :icon_flower:

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Just my  :2c: PENNIES Bro


:icon_flower:

[Doc]

Remembering who we used to be . .. Doc, you've done it again.

This is what I believe is the foremost plan of God for this day and age.  There has been a changing of the guard since the sun/Son has set on the 6th day (works-based thinking) and the Sabbath day is now dawning . . .and this day is not like the previous 6 days.  This day all the laws of labor are suspended.  This day the natural reasoning comes to an end, and personal revelation takes the stage.  And the beauty of personal revelation is . . .even though there are millions and even billions of people . . .the revelation is ONE.

We are being returned to our original state . . .where our identity is not in our appearance or our abilities, but our identity is in our creator.  For us to return to this understanding, we must return to the source from which it comes .  . the only tree in the garden that produced light . . .the tree of life.  We ourselves are not what's lost . . .it's our identity that's lost.  We lost our identity in who we are.  And that's what Christ came to save . . .the reason I see myself as a sinner is because I've lost my true self.  It's not who I thought it once was.  My identity is not me, my looks, my personality, my actions or abilities . . .my identity is my Creator . . .and because I lost that . . .my Creator sent his Son to save what I've lost.


Luke 19
9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.  10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Well, actually, it's not me Nathan. God just keeps dumping this stuff in my lap, and I don't know what to do with all of it. One of the things that I really appreciate about this forum is that I can talk about this stuff here without being looked at like I'm from Mars.

Great stuff, everyone. Keep 'em coming!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: What?! I was SURE you were from Mars. I thought I saw you there at the last class reunion.  :winkgrin: :grin:

[Nathan]

Maybe . . .the garden of Eden is actually MARS!!!!

[sheila]

   DOC MARTI[A}NS?

  yea,I know him too.....heard he had an inner an outer soul! :icon_joker: :icon_jokercolor: :mblush:

[Taffy]

:cloud9: What?! I was SURE you were from Mars. I thought I saw you there at the last class reunion.  :winkgrin: :grin:

:laughing7:
see Card, you have a Pal :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

  DOC MARTI[A}NS?

  yea,I know him too.....heard he had an inner an outer soul! :icon_joker: :icon_jokercolor: :mblush:

Nice One sheila ROLF!!! :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

  DOC MARTI[A}NS?

  yea,I know him too.....heard he had an inner an outer soul! :icon_joker: :icon_jokercolor: :mblush:

Nice One sheila ROLF!!! :icon_flower:

Amen..... :grin:

[sheila]

  Hey Taffy!

   is rolling on a laughing floor anything like...

          riding on a merry-go-round?

                  :icon_joker: :icon_jokercolor:

    dont get me started...or there will be a p in there! :mblush:

[Taffy]

  Hey Taffy!

   is rolling on a laughing floor anything like...

          riding on a merry-go-round?

                  :icon_joker: :icon_jokercolor:

    dont get me started...or there will be a p in there! :mblush:

Been some good jokes lately Sheila,..but yours is the Best Today.....Has been known to wet ya self laughing....ill just make sure i got a Nappy ready... :icon_flower:

[sheila]

        :thumbsup:

[Nathan]

Not so sure that's the mist from the earth we were eluding to  :dontknow:

[Taffy]

Not so sure that's the mist from the earth we were eluding to  :dontknow:

:laughing7:

[trettep]

I believe means your not clothed with God's Grace.

Paul

[peacemaker]

We are the clay, that is being made into One Body, One Spirit, having One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father of All — who is over all, and through all, and in all.

True messengers (angels) cannot sin, thus, the falling away from their first estate would be that of, or within the spirit of man. As we will not be exchanging one sinful nature – for that of another!

Those who left their habitation (place of continuance, or abode) were cast out of heaven; power, into hell (the grave), not to the earth.  Unless one means the ground, as they are held in chains of darkness that surrounds them.

"Casting a soft light on the subject."  :idea2:

peacemaker