The fear of Eternity

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Mickiel

He has saved us and called us to a holy life , not because of anything we have done, but because of his own Purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.2 Tim.1:9. So our salvation originates in eternity because we must go back pass the beginning of time to trace it. The motivation behind salvation is purpose and grace.To understand the purpose the earth has to be viewed as a giant incubator and humanity placed inside of it to suffer growing pains. But grow and develop are it's purpose and our message is one of reconciliation. Our citizenship is in heaven.

Mickiel

He saved us out of his own Purpose and grace. And he placed us into the earth , the incubator, for his own Purpose. Isaiah 48:10-11" I have chosen you in the furnace of addiction. Vs.11 , For mine own sake ,  even my own sake will I do it. For his own sake, or for his own reasons. This is God keeping salvation as something he has done, keeping it separately from human involvement . Salvation was designed by God for humanity. It was not designed to be a survival of the fittest program. It is not a choice designed for  human will response. Salvation is something God takes personal.

Mickiel

Salvation is about life, it is the spirit who gives life , the flesh profits nothing.  In John 6:63 the words I speak to you are spirit and they are life. The message of the cross is the salvation power of God. Salvation is our destiny.1 Thess. 5:9, For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining  salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That grace has appeared , bringing salvation to all men. And salvation brings with it many truths, Heb.6:9 ,"But beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you , and things that accompany salvation. The things that accompany salvation are as old as time , great wisdom and a well of knowledge.

Mickiel

Quote from: Mickiel on September 21, 2021, 09:40:57 PM
Salvation is about life, it is the spirit who gives life , the flesh profits nothing.  In John 6:63 the words I speak to you are spirit and they are life. The message of the cross is the salvation power of God. Salvation is our destiny.1 Thess. 5:9, For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining  salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That grace has appeared , bringing salvation to all men. And salvation brings with it many truths, Heb.6:9 ,"But beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you , and things that accompany salvation. The things that accompany salvation are as old as time , great wisdom and a well of knowledge.

Remember salvation originates in eternity. Before humanity existed , so the things that accompany it should be formidable.
Wisdom should be on the list that accompany salvation. Certainly history is with salvation.

When we discuss the things of God , we have to be careful because he is surrounded by life. Nearly everything around him is alive.  The water , the fire , the trees; their living things.


Mickiel

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Divine election is unconditional ,solely  by God's gracious choice and not based upon anything the election Would do , or on anything else ( their qualities , their characters, decisions or actions ) in contrast to others.God made the choice according to his own will and own pleasure. God chose this path this way before the foundation of the world. And in this only true version of Salvation,God ordained that  all  things work together for our good. Romans 8:28.

In a world of sin few would be saved to this life , therefore God predestines unto salvation the elect. He grabs them first and will retrieve the rest later. God is long suffering toward us and has not willed that any should perish.

So God and Christ are still working together on the branches of salvation, they are finished with the base of the tree. As sinners and unbelievers start walking out on those branches , lost in the bush and wreckless, God has at least got them in the tree. Predestined us to adoption as Sons , Romans 9:11, Eph.1:4-5 for all to understand that there is no partiality with God., 1pet. 1:17.

Ross

Quote from: Mickiel on September 22, 2021, 10:29:43 AM

Divine election is unconditional ,solely  by God's gracious choice.

The nutshell.
Romans 9;11,12a " For even before they were born or had done anything good or bad,
                             so that God's purpose might stand according to election,
                             not because of works,
                             but because of His call, "

The problem of works being required to earn salvation was demonstrated by Israel.

Romans 9;31,32 " But Israel, even though it pursued a law that would produce righteousness, did not attain it.
                           Why not?
                            Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it was by works."

Romans 10;3 " For ignoring the righteousness that comes from God,
                       and seeking to establish their own ,
                       they did not submit to God's righteousness."

Sounds remarkably like many of the churches today have that same problem; trying to establish our own righteousness by our faith,
and totally over-riding the faith of Christ and His graceful plan for ALL.
Fellow brother in Christ

Mickiel

Yes many churches today do have that evangelical ego in Rom. 10:3. Their leadership knows that they have  the membership  under the their control. They go out and building mega churches and call that their works. Their egos are bigger than the  churches. Some of God's churches have gone through the this. And yes Israel was a good example of stubborn self righteousness. Being the chosen nation just went to their heads. Even though God can and has done wonders for people , even goodness can be hard to handle. So these leaders start power grabbing churches , one powerful pastor anoints another and they establish churches and link to each other. Any leader not agreeing is pushed out. So the Kingdom in heaven watches in horror as the Kingdom is  suffering violently and these violent leaders take everything by force.


Mickiel

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Quote from: Mickiel on September 22, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Yes many churches today do have that evangelical ego in Rom. 10:3. Their leadership knows that they have  the membership  under the their control. They go out and building mega churches and call that their works. Their egos are bigger than the  churches. Some of God's churches have gone through the this. And yes Israel was a good example of stubborn self righteousness. Being the chosen nation just went to their heads. Even though God can and has done wonders for people , even goodness can be hard to handle. So these leaders start power grabbing churches , one powerful pastor anoints another and they establish churches and link to each other. Any leader not agreeing is pushed out. So the Kingdom in heaven watches in horror as the Kingdom is  suffering violently and these violent leaders take everything by force.

To take the Kingdom by violence is when the members are spiritually abused. When the leaders use spiritual or religious beliefs to hurt , scare or control you. It is spiritual aggression. In Matt.11:12 from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence and violent people have been raiding it. A right understanding of the Kingdom has been attacked. These people stalking it are not entering it, they are taking it, as in stealing. And some of them are unbelievers. During Christ earthly ministry , there is a campaign of intimidation , oppression and other persecution.. Israel's little flock is suffering for following Jesus and being intimadated into leaving Jesus or not joining him at all . John is imprisoned and killed, in a year or so Jesus will be killed. This leads us to the violent taking the kingdom of heaven by force.  Or as in Matt.21:38 they hunt down the heirs , kill them and seize their inheritance. The religious leaders Really wanted Christ dead and gone, he could be no king of Israel.

Their violent men of eager  , impetuous zeal who grasp the kingdom of heaven , it's peace, pardon and blessedness , like the Pharisees and Sadducees ,publicans , harlots and Gentile sinners. The grasp of Jesus preaching was taking the words to a premature attempt to bring in the Kingdom by a false way as a political creation. They grasp it for themselves. Like rough and violent bandits seizing their prey. They seize upon the Kingdom , drag it to themselves and make it their own. It's like a small group being pushed aside who actually hold the truth, to a much larger movement or church that's now getting all the press. This sad illusion started back then and continues to this day. The truth is violently taken over, its power perverted and trashed. Only to be replaced with ignorant doctrines that no longer even resemble the truth.

Mickiel

Perhaps the most violence the Kingdom has suffered is to have  it's beautiful message of the salvation of all, violently  mixed and graphed into the doctrine of eternal  hell punishing. That assault is a crippling of the good news of grace, and an insult to the integrity of God. It just strips away so much truth.

Mickiel

The kingdom of God is worth persuing , Matthew 6:33 seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Take the kingdom by peace and love and seek it first and it's righteousness , and all it's benefit's shall be added to you. This  is asking for commitment that will straighten you out and put you on track. It's assuring you will be protected and lack nothing. The kingdom is to be desired and admired. Pursuing the kingdom means we become a work in progress. God's righteousness becomes our beacon of light to guide us through all things.

Mickiel

Seeking the kingdom first is trying to get you moving toward God , and spiritual things , you know, get you out of the mudd and walking on better ground. Making it harder for Satan to trip you up.  When we seek God's Kingdom first we put him on our minds the first  thing every morning. It becomes habitual to pray a lot and walk to God each step we take. Seeking God first means  you look for what the kingdom has to do with whatever you are going through. Seeking God's righteousness is giving him glory for how you live. You lean on him and experience his righteousness becoming your own.

Mickiel

The 23rd chapter of Psalms is seeking first the kingdom. The Lord is our Shepard , our leader, and we shall not want; all our needs shall be added to us. We will have our basic needs. He maketh  me to lie down in green pastures , and leads me besides the still waters. He teaches us how to relax and shows me how to meditate. He restores my soul , he leads me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. He teaches me how to seek him first. We can live in dangerous places and fear no evil, he is with us.

Mickiel

Quote from: Mickiel on September 24, 2021, 10:44:57 PM
The 23rd chapter of Psalms is seeking first the kingdom. The Lord is our Shepard , our leader, and we shall not want; all our needs shall be added to us. We will have our basic needs. He maketh  me to lie down in green pastures , and leads me besides the still waters. He teaches us how to relax and shows me how to meditate. He restores my soul , he leads me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. He teaches me how to seek him first. We can live in dangerous places and fear no evil, he is with us.

He who hungers and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.  Thy rod and staff comfort me.  To be led to be righteous is being led to be like God.  We strongly desire to do the right thing. That desire can be turned up like heat. It is an actual scripture with promise. The hunger and desire to be righteous shall be filled, most likely filling an empty spot in you. With this hole being filled, surely goodness and mercy will also be with you all the days of your life life coverage. When we seek the Kingdom first , it also means you are looking to walk in the spirit.  You are wanting to understand. You want the spiritual life, and as God turns up the heat, little by little you shall not want. You won't be undernourished again.

Mickiel

2Pet. 1:3-11we shall not want seeing that his divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness , through the true knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and excellence . For by these he has granted to us his precious and magnificent promise's, you shall not want, and so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world  by lust. "Seek you first the kingdom of God", that is our daily agenda, everything else is secondary but important. You have to be steered in the right direction , So aim your eyes fixed on our Savior , being called is one of the greatest things that can happen to a human. Jesus draws us near and away we go on a truth ride.

Mickiel

Thou anointest my head with Oil, my cup runs over; this is an abundance of wellness , care , and dignity that the Shepard has towards his sheep. My cup runs .over , meaning we receive more than what we hope for.

Mickiel

In Matt.5:3-5, if you thirst after righteousness God will bless you. God bless if you hunger and thirst after righteousness, I think that is a wonderful state to be in. A desperate longing to be like God. You want to live a godly life. You hunger and thrust for it, you shall be filled. This is one of the greatest hearts in scripture, no greater condition can be sought after.  These are those who's search for righteousness is a consuming passion.

Mickiel

Thirsting after God's righteousness Is a strong desire to be like him. To please him. This is ultimate submission. A complete restoring of the consciousness. Or revamping of it. But we must get to know God.in Job 36:26, " God is great we know him not." God is infinite in majesty  power, wisdom, and all perfections. We don't know him perfectly . He is incomprehensible and great in his essence , attributes, and his works and ways of being.

Ezekiel 36:27 I will put my spirit within you. In Jeremiah 31:33 I will write my laws into their hearts. Traditional ways are now being abandoned and we're getting right to the source.

Mickiel

The term ,"Kingdom of God" does not appear in the Old Testament, although "His kingdom and your kingdom are used." God actually chose his church before he made the world ,Eph.1:-14.. Predestined us for adoption to sonship. The Father chose the heirs of salvation

Mickiel


So we have enough to go on in trying to understand this most curious topic. Believers and unbelievers can fall into any of these situations that target people for salvation .  You could be elected , you can be called,  be made a first fruit , you can be chosen. The salvation of God will be exposed within you. You can be appointed. Don't worry God will get you where he wants you.

Oh he'll get you there.

Mickiel

In Rev. In 7:10,"And they cried out with a loud voice; Salvation belongs to our God , who sits on the throne and to the Lamb."  In Rev.22:3 , no longer shall there be any curse. Salvation will not be distorted ever again. Right now the world sees salvation through a dark iconic idiot light. Meant to blind and confuse. We shall be delivered from the power of sin. The Lord, who is our strength and song, has become our salvation, Ps.118:14. Christ will be All and in all.Look at all  that is being done for us. How could we escape if we neglect so great a salvation.

Mickiel

In "Col.3:11", There's neither Greek or Jew, circumcision or uncircumcised, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free, but Christ is all and in all". This is a far better unity than we first thought, as we put on this new man, this new knowledge molded after Christ himself. It is renewed knowledge as well, not wasting what we have learned about Jesus an all that he is , to us and to the world. As we move closer to the Kingdom obvious scales are beginning to drop off: like gender , male an female will no longer be. Which is stunning . Racial cultures will begin to dissapate and slavery will no longer be. Everything that drops off will pic up Christ.The scales that blinded us will be removed, we will see more of Christ and his knowledge. We will put on the new man that is rooted in Christ. Col.2:6-7. We learn to walk in Jesus. He will become all that we need, living in us all , leading us through the mother earth and prepping us for the mother kingdom.


Mickiel

Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid. It is not possible for those called to walk side by side with Christ physically , so we must learn how to walk in the spirit. Which is so much better for us all. Gal.5:16. An be careful how we walk, Eph. 5:15-16. Col. 1:10-11. If we live by the spirit let us therefore walk by the spirit. For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.

Ross

Quote from: Mickiel on September 27, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid.
For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.

The examples we are expected to follow are few and far between amongst our "leaders in the faith ".
Paul is the prime leader of which to take note.

Pretty hard to know what to do when you find out that what you assumed was correct, but is not even close to just how much we are going to be.
True walking in spirit removes so much rubbish and makes the desires of the heart completely reverse.
Getting rid of man's methods takes time but does get easier when grasping the end result.
Fellow brother in Christ

Mickiel

Paul said in Ephesians 3:2-3 the dispensation of the grace of God was given to him for others. How Jesus made known to him the mystery of Christ. That we all are heirs , vs9., And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery . There is one body, and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith , one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all , through all and in you all . Universal Salvation is the only way of life that could service both believers and unbelievers edifying the body till we all come in the unity of the faith.

Mickiel

Quote from: Ross on September 27, 2021, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 27, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid.
For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.

The examples we are expected to follow are few and far between amongst our "leaders in the faith ".
Paul is the prime leader of which to take note.

Pretty hard to know what to do when you find out that what you assumed was correct, but is not even close to just how much we are going to be.
True walking in spirit removes so much rubbish and makes the desires of the heart completely reverse.
Getting rid of man's methods takes time but does get easier when grasping the end result.


True walking in the spirit removes so much rubbish and does help change the heart of the believer. We learn to back off of assumptions and develop a real zeal for knowledge. Not to keep our new lessons to ourselves  , but to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery. Getting rid of man's methods does take time, because they had a long time to germinate within us. Till we come into the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God

We are henceforth no more children, tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine with their cunning craftiness , whereby they lie in wait to deceive, but we speak the truth in love and grow up into Christ in all things and matters. We can pray for loopholes in our character be explained and filled. We put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.