Savior of the World, or Just Some People?

[Tim B]

I was thinking about how Jesus is referred to as the "Savior of the world" and realized it must be saying that the entirety of the human race will be saved.

Think of this: if a firefighter went into a burning school building and saved 50 of 300 students would he be considered "savior of the school"? No, because he only saved 50 of the students. He'd be considered "savior of the 50 school students."

BUT, if he were to save 300 of the 300 students, he WOULD be considered "savior of the school" or, that is, the entirety of the students associated with the school.

So, if Jesus is considered the "Savior of the world" that must mean he will LITERALLY SAVE ALL OF THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORLD, or, ALL OF MANKIND.  :bigGrin:

[sparrow]

 :thumbsup:  :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

The firefighter was/is fully capable to save all 300 students. But once he was in the building he noticed that only 50 wanted to be saved so he respected the wished of the other 250 students and let them burn.

Replace firefighter by Jesus and you have the ET explanation.

[crumb]

The firefighter was/is fully capable to save all 300 students. But once he was in the building he noticed that only 50 wanted to be saved so he respected the wished of the other 250 students and let them burn.

Replace firefighter by Jesus and you have the ET explanation.

That's sheer nonsense since a firefighter is to safe people no matter if in agreement or completely against their own wish. That's what a lifesaver is all about. Same goes for Jesus by the way. What would make Jesus an almighty savior if actually his own plan is subject to OUR wishes? He would not be God he would not be almighty he would not be the savior of all and above all WE wouldn't be "all in all" as the bible says we will be.
It is not like you have to send an application in if you want to be saved, neither with a firefighter nor with Jesus. If you are in need and they get wind of it they WILL help. Just that Jesus always gets wind of it, because he was the God that became flesh and wandered on earth. Jesus IS God that is the fundamental base of all Christian belief, yet still some people see Jesus' powers limited just like those of a human being, which is nonsense. God is almighty and in his Gospel he revealed his plan that one day we shall be all in all. Now what is it about God that makes people think he will fail in fulfilling his plan? Is he a scientist or a football player? No he is God; Jesus saved ALL people though they have sinned. BECAUSE that was what God wanted! He wants us ALL to be saved. We can't mess with him, God is God!
People think that us having a free will is in direct competition with God's plan, but that is illogical since our free will already IS a part of God's plan.  Now how can a part OF the plan be in competition with the plan?
The traditional view is one in which the single human can mess with God. That is a plain misinterpretation of David against Goliad. For God is not our enemy but our very own father and we are not fighting against him we are part of his plan. God's plans aren't foolish or full of surprises he is working everything out in accordance with his plan.  We can't err more than God lets us. Not more than his plans allow us to. That bit however can already be a very intense erring to the human being, but it is tiny and little and of no server effect to God's plan at all. THAT is what we need to realize.

AND: Jesus'coming into the world to save us all wasn't based on a human voting or a referendum. We weren't even asked. Of course we weren't, because we have no power to decide about God's plan. It is HIS plan and we are only part of it. His plan is one of love. That is why he saved us through Jesus even against our own wish:

John 3:16 (English Standard Version)
For God So Loved the World
16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son"

1 John 4:9 (English Standard Version)
"9In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."

[legoman]

The firefighter was/is fully capable to save all 300 students. But once he was in the building he noticed that only 50 wanted to be saved so he respected the wished of the other 250 students and let them burn.

Replace firefighter by Jesus and you have the ET explanation.

This is only half the picture WW, this is the Arminian picture.  Here is the Calvinist version:

The firefighter was/is fully capable to save all 300 students. But he was only sent to save 50 students.  The other students were left in the building and the doors were locked, so none of them could get out.  They burn for God's the firefighter's glory and they deserve it.

It almost brings a tear to my eye to type this as people actually believe this.

Peace...

[WhiteWings]

Sure it brings glory to the firefighter. If he could save all it would looks like he has a no brainer lousy job.
But when the 50 see they are the ones saved they are extra happy.

But that's human reasoning. We are not God so the above proves nothing...
OTOH we are created in/as the shadow of God. Most translations write 'image' but especially (whoops...) Jewish people translate it as shadow.
My personal interpretation is that a shadow is dark. God is light. We are the dark (mirror) image of God.
If even our dark souls find saving only 50 on purpose to sadistic to be true how would a light souls view it?
If most of humanity finds such things totally not done and God says: "Kewl more glory" then God has a darker soul.... :2c:

[rosered]

   Hi all , good points by all 
I  know that  to make Gods WORD  so true ,
  to me anyhow  , it  is now for some as will be  for others
  what is  this life when it has ended ?
 
and for what purpose has God  called any to be a part of His  grand plan?
  everything  God does has  ''perfect Wisdom from above '' in it
  we just do not see that some times  ,
  other times we are  more accepting and willing to let God be God 
and not struggle so much with those deep  thoughts of His

  what is easier  to us ? some times I but all but give up  and rest in this ''hope''  and some times its all I can do , just to get past a present trial and  empty place in my own soul ......... :HeartThrob:



Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light. 

[vagabond]

IMO, Christ is not so much the fireman, the "whom", but the "which". Christ is Spirit, just as the Father is Spirit. It's the Spirit that saves even more then the one delivering the Spirit. The fireman provided axe/ladder/water/breathing apparatus etc.... to save.

Jesus Christ the first begotten of many is the "standard" by which all are saved. There is a way, and Christ Jesus walked on this earth in human form to "show the way". Not just to split hairs, but to note that we are looking for a way of God that provides salvation for all.

Jesus walked on this planet in human form seeing things in a way that no one else could. Because he didn't question who he was and is, he had great authority over all, and he acted like it. His compassion is so greatly recognized, because he was so powerful over all his enemies.

If we had the power Jesus had when he walked the planet in human form, what would we do with it?

Would we heal "all" the sick, cure "all" diseases, bind "all" the devils, reveal the hidden mysteries to "all", or to just a handful as he did. If it is time to cure "all", would we also stop all weather related tragedies, heal the land and air from pollutions, fix it so that no animals need to kill for food. How far would you go right at this moment if you had the miraculous power Jesus had? What would be your next move starting now?

Just food for thought.

[Beloved Servant]

John 5:19 (King James Version)

19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

[preistsplace]

The traditional view is one in which the single human can mess with God. That is a plain misinterpretation of David against Goliad. For God is not our enemy but our very own father and we are not fighting against him we are part of his plan. God's plans aren't foolish or full of surprises he is working everything out in accordance with his plan.  We can't err more than God lets us. Not more than his plans allow us to. That bit however can already be a very intense erring to the human being, but it is tiny and little and of no server effect to God's plan at all. THAT is what we need to realize.

You mean that God uses contrasting veiws and actions on the Earth to demonstrate cause and effect , so that people can see and learn that if they sow love they recieve love and if the place high importance on things of low value, then they do not find peace until they began to rearrange their life in a manner that promotes the higher values. If I never knew hunger than food would not be valuable to me( although it would be necessary and even enjoyable, I could not appreciate it equally.)

[vagabond]

John 5:19 (King James Version)

19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

One that cannot see the kingdom, most likely cannot see the Father and what he does.

[vagabond]

For God is not our enemy but our very own father and we are not fighting against him we are part of his plan.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Those who still think they are human are still carnal (human) minded. Those who think they are spirit beings are spiritually minded and can see God.

[willieH]

John 5:19 (King James Version)

19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

What...

B.S. -- (Beloved Serving) 

B.S. -- (Beloved Servant)

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...willieH  :cloud9: