Returning to the Father

[CHB]

Hi All,

If we were some kind of spirit before we became human, why don't we remember anything about it? Jesus was a spirit being before he became human and he has a remembrence of it.

I doubt very much that we were a spirit being before we became human. From what I read and understand, we existed only in the mind of God before we became human. God had a plan for everything before he made it a reality. There are scriptures where God tells Moses and others to make such and such "according to the PATTERN I showed you".

The spirit that returns to God is our breath which keeps us alive. I believe our minds or thoughts are like a tape recorder which shuts off when we die and when we become immortal God reactivates it again.

(Ecc.12:6-7) Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The thing is, what is this SPIRIT that will return to God? I believe it is our breath which gives us life.

(Job. 33:4) The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
(Psalms 146:4) His breath goeth forth, he RETURNETH to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

(Ecc. 3:20) All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

CHB

[jabcat]

I don't know if you're right or not C, but it's certainly worth considering.  Well presented  :thumbsup:.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Hi All,

If we were some kind of spirit before we became human, why don't we remember anything about it? Jesus was a spirit being before he became human and he has a remembrence of it.

Jesus came by a different means.

[Zeek]

Rom 13:11  And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

what were they before they slept??  what are they awakening to??

[WhiteWings]

Rom 13:11  And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

what were they before they slept??  what are they awakening to??

Sleep => dead => spiritual dead => sleeper are/were sinners  :dontknow: :2c:  :bgdance:

[CHB]

Hi All,

If we were some kind of spirit before we became human, why don't we remember anything about it? Jesus was a spirit being before he became human and he has a remembrence of it.

Jesus came by a different means.

Hi Paul,

You are right but Jesus became human just like we are. Jesus came directly from God and Jesus knew where he came from. (John 8:23) And he said unto them, YE ARE FROM BENEATH; I am from above: YE ARE OF THIS WORLD; I am not of this world.

(John 7:29) But I know him: for I am FROM HIM.  We did not originate directly from God in the same way that Jesus did because we were made from the earth and God gave us life by his breath, which I believe is what returns to God when we die. I do believe our breath or life is what makes our brains work.

CHB

[Zeek]

Rom 13:11  And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

what were they before they slept??  what are they awakening to??

Sleep => dead => spiritual dead => sleeper are/were sinners  :dontknow: :2c:  :bgdance:

yes, but were they created "asleep" or were they "put to sleep"? 

[WhiteWings]

Is that a trick question Zeek?  :icon_jokercolor:
I don't know but perhaps the answer is in Genesis?
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Where is the verse that states Adam woke up? Bit far fetched perhaps.....? :mshock:

[Zeek]

Is that a trick question Zeek?  :icon_jokercolor:
I don't know but perhaps the answer is in Genesis?
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Where is the verse that states Adam woke up? Bit far fetched perhaps.....? :mshock:

i'm thinking there is a relationship to the verse in Romans 7, "i was alive once without the law, then the commandment came and I died". 

[WhiteWings]

In that case we are "put to sleep" by the law(giver).
There it is. Your answer!
Maybe :winkgrin:

[Cardinal]

     One can only be renewed in knowledge by refreshing or recalling something he has known before.  We often read over such statements so lightly and carelessly, missing the true implication and import of   the words!  The scriptures are very clear that each of us came into this world out of the bosom of the Father.  Before the Creator formed you, He knew you.  He didn't know you in your present physical form as Joe Smith or Sally Brown, but He knew you as spirit.  God spoke to you about His plan for your life before ever you were formed as an embryo in the womb of your mother.  Paul states it so clearly when he says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" (Eph. 1:3-4).  The Amplified Bible reads, "Even as He chose us, actually picked us out for Himself in Christ, before the foundation of the world."
 
           Never doubt this reality for a moment — the only way God could have loved you, chose you in Christ, and picked you out for His own before the foundation of the world is that you truly existed in and with Him before the appearing of the worlds.  Nothing can be plainer than that!  Yet we have supposed that we were just recently, in this life, apprehended of God to sonship.  I thought the work of God began in my life seventy years ago.  Now I find that the thing God is doing with humanity began in eternity!  It didn't begin in time.  It began before the ages were framed!  God loved me, knew me, counseled with me, and picked me out for His unique purpose before the foundation of the world.  My origin was in God!  God begat me by His Word — in Christ — as spirit before He exhaled me as spirit into a very unique body upon earth.
 
           Each of us were born into a mortal, physical body and into a world of darkness, sin, and death.  Our spiritual life was buried, covered, encased, concealed within the prison house of a natural, worldly, human consciousness just as the little child I mentioned earlier was imprisoned in a room with no ability to relate to the world he was in or to understand, express, expand, or function on that level.  But this was according to God's plan!  It wasn't Adam that created the cunning serpent or invented the desirable tree of the knowledge of good and evil or placed in man's path the way of death.  Oh, no!  It was God who planted the garden eastward in Eden and placed all these things strategically in it!  But God had both a purpose and a plan!  Paul speaks of an action of God involved in that plan when he says that we are "in hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" (Titus 1:2).  This is indeed wonderful!  We were born into this world with a promise from God — the promise of eternal life!  This promise of salvation and life more abundant was given us before the world began!  When we came here we were born with a promise!  How could God make such a promise to us if we were not there with Him before the worlds appeared?  Furthermore, we were predestinated at that time to be the manifest sons of God!  "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:28-29).  Not only were salvation and sonship promised, the kingdom was promised also!  "Then shall the King (Jesus) say to them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Mat. 25:34).  
 
           All these wonderful things happened to us, and many more too numerous to mention at this time, before we entered this world as a human being.  But do you remember any of it?  Can you remember when you were there with the Father?  Can you remember Him informing you of the plan, the purpose, in sending you to earth?  Can you remember what was said, what you knew, what you agreed to, and why, and what you had when you were there with the Father?  Do you remember being chosen in Christ, promised eternal life, promised a kingdom to reign in, and predestined unto placement as a son of God, before the foundation of the world?  Do you remember the beginning of your journey?
 
         Ah — YOU ARE REMEMBERING!  Do you know how you're remembering?  The answer is simple — all revelation is but a remembering!  


                                                                                                                                                     J Preston Eby
                                                                                                                                                      KingdomBibleStudies.org
                                                                                                                                                      FROM THE CANDLESTICK TO THE THRONE
                                                                                                                                                      part 74

:cloud9: Just a few minutes here to say a loud AMEN. Of course we were existant before as spirit; Christ IS a Spirit, and we were in Him from the foundation of the world.

He breathes out = we go into a body (live from OUR point of view). He breathes in = we leave that body (die from OUR point of view). From HIS point of view it's exactly opposite.

He is both the reason we're here in this death of a grave (the body), AND our salvation from it.

As a side note; He told me 23 years ago, that I was not really learning the things in the Word, but rather REMEMBERING them. So I witness what J. Preston Eby said. Blessings...

[Dallas]

Hi Paul,

You are right but Jesus became human just like we are. Jesus came directly from God and Jesus knew where he came from. (John 8:23) And he said unto them, YE ARE FROM BENEATH; I am from above: YE ARE OF THIS WORLD; I am not of this world.

(John 7:29) But I know him: for I am FROM HIM.  We did not originate directly from God in the same way that Jesus did because we were made from the earth and God gave us life by his breath, which I believe is what returns to God when we die. I do believe our breath or life is what makes our brains work.

CHB

Two really good points!! :thumbsup:

[onlytruth]

can't wait till we remember everything! :icon_king:

[Beloved Servant]

...and that's when the Shekinah of the Lord rises above the the Ark.

[SQ]

Not long ago I was thinking I am sick of this mess here I just want to go home.
I wondered why do I feel homesick of a place I have never been, but I was told by others here they have felt this same feeling.
I would love to remember something other than feeling homesick.
I want my memory back.  :icon_king:

[Beloved Servant]

Romans 12;2
as we take on the mind of Christ.

[Beloved Servant]

Many will forget this scripture — tomorrow!

[SQ]

I read that again, I have read many times before thanks for the reminder.

[Beloved Servant]

read between the lines...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNKtyhxsZJo&feature=related

[peacemaker]

I want my memory back  

as we take on the mind of Christ.

The Spirit brings to remembrance the things we ought to know.

[Beloved Servant]

He will always BE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HNuLGBL0Io

[SQ]

     One can only be renewed in knowledge by refreshing or recalling something he has known before.  We often read over such statements so lightly and carelessly, missing the true implication and import of   the words!  The scriptures are very clear that each of us came into this world out of the bosom of the Father.  Before the Creator formed you, He knew you.  He didn't know you in your present physical form as Joe Smith or Sally Brown, but He knew you as spirit.  God spoke to you about His plan for your life before ever you were formed as an embryo in the womb of your mother.  Paul states it so clearly when he says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" (Eph. 1:3-4).  The Amplified Bible reads, "Even as He chose us, actually picked us out for Himself in Christ, before the foundation of the world."
 
           Never doubt this reality for a moment — the only way God could have loved you, chose you in Christ, and picked you out for His own before the foundation of the world is that you truly existed in and with Him before the appearing of the worlds.  Nothing can be plainer than that!  Yet we have supposed that we were just recently, in this life, apprehended of God to sonship.  I thought the work of God began in my life seventy years ago.  Now I find that the thing God is doing with humanity began in eternity!  It didn't begin in time.  It began before the ages were framed!  God loved me, knew me, counseled with me, and picked me out for His unique purpose before the foundation of the world.  My origin was in God!  God begat me by His Word — in Christ — as spirit before He exhaled me as spirit into a very unique body upon earth.
 
           Each of us were born into a mortal, physical body and into a world of darkness, sin, and death.  Our spiritual life was buried, covered, encased, concealed within the prison house of a natural, worldly, human consciousness just as the little child I mentioned earlier was imprisoned in a room with no ability to relate to the world he was in or to understand, express, expand, or function on that level.  But this was according to God's plan!  It wasn't Adam that created the cunning serpent or invented the desirable tree of the knowledge of good and evil or placed in man's path the way of death.  Oh, no!  It was God who planted the garden eastward in Eden and placed all these things strategically in it!  But God had both a purpose and a plan!  Paul speaks of an action of God involved in that plan when he says that we are "in hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" (Titus 1:2).  This is indeed wonderful!  We were born into this world with a promise from God — the promise of eternal life!  This promise of salvation and life more abundant was given us before the world began!  When we came here we were born with a promise!  How could God make such a promise to us if we were not there with Him before the worlds appeared?  Furthermore, we were predestinated at that time to be the manifest sons of God!  "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:28-29).  Not only were salvation and sonship promised, the kingdom was promised also!  "Then shall the King (Jesus) say to them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Mat. 25:34).  
 
           All these wonderful things happened to us, and many more too numerous to mention at this time, before we entered this world as a human being.  But do you remember any of it?  Can you remember when you were there with the Father?  Can you remember Him informing you of the plan, the purpose, in sending you to earth?  Can you remember what was said, what you knew, what you agreed to, and why, and what you had when you were there with the Father?  Do you remember being chosen in Christ, promised eternal life, promised a kingdom to reign in, and predestined unto placement as a son of God, before the foundation of the world?  Do you remember the beginning of your journey?
 
         Ah — YOU ARE REMEMBERING!  Do you know how you're remembering?  The answer is simple — all revelation is but a remembering!  


                                                                                                                                                     J Preston Eby
                                                                                                                                                      KingdomBibleStudies.org
                                                                                                                                                      FROM THE CANDLESTICK TO THE THRONE
                                                                                                                                                      part 74

:cloud9: Just a few minutes here to say a loud AMEN. Of course we were existant before as spirit; Christ IS a Spirit, and we were in Him from the foundation of the world.

He breathes out = we go into a body (live from OUR point of view). He breathes in = we leave that body (die from OUR point of view). From HIS point of view it's exactly opposite.

He is both the reason we're here in this death of a grave (the body), AND our salvation from it.

As a side note; He told me 23 years ago, that I was not really learning the things in the Word, but rather REMEMBERING them. So I witness what J. Preston Eby said. Blessings...

That is interesting, not learning but remembering.
I have recently started reading his writings seriously, really paying attention. :cloud9:

[Paul Hazelwood]

Hi Paul,

You are right but Jesus became human just like we are. Jesus came directly from God and Jesus knew where he came from. (John 8:23) And he said unto them, YE ARE FROM BENEATH; I am from above: YE ARE OF THIS WORLD; I am not of this world.

(John 7:29) But I know him: for I am FROM HIM.  We did not originate directly from God in the same way that Jesus did because we were made from the earth and God gave us life by his breath, which I believe is what returns to God when we die. I do believe our breath or life is what makes our brains work.

CHB

Two really good points!! :thumbsup:

Jesus became a human form , but he was not exactly like us,  he was born differently.  I was answering the question concerning why Jesus remembered and we didn't.

Jesus bypassed what could be the cause of our incapacity to remember what Jesus did.

We were not made from the earth, our earthly perception is.   Our consciousness transcends this realm.

[AJ]

The following URL is at my site....where I've collected numerous studies on Pre-human existence.
Season these studies with lots of salt....and don't be afraid to peek outside the box called - "IT CAN'T BE SO."



http://jesusthelightoftheworld.yuku.com/forums/146?page=1


For myself....I do truly believe that we 'may' have existed before this earthly realm.
There are numerous NDE's that verify it to be true....and I understand that they don't hold much water as proof.


Peace, AJ.

"If I lived a billion years more, in my body or yours, there's not a single experience on Earth that could ever be as good as being dead. Nothing."

[SQ]

Your web site looks interesting AJ Hopefully I will be able to read some of it tomorrow.